# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 281
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5601 "2015-08-13T20:53:28Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > I’d like every firearm on the planet to be melted down and their ingots blasted into space, never to be seen again. > > But it isn’t my decision to make. I have to live with a whole lot of others of my kind, so I have to make compromises if I want to co-exist with them. Compromise means each side makes concessions to the other. You probably see where this is going. So aside from firearms, abortion is one of the most regulated things in this country. Almost to the point of being illegal in some places. So lets say that a pro-life activist says they are willing to compromise. How much, of Roe v. Wade do you think the pro-choice side should be willing to give up to compromise with the pro-life side? > [@](#): > > Even after the sickening point-blank slaughter of little kids at Newtown, the NRA dug its heels in and defiantly refused to budge one inch on the horribly inadequate gun laws that allowed it to happen. Ninety percent of the population supported background checks at gunshows but the NRA, in its infinite compassion, refused to concede even that, and had that bill shot down in Congress. So what kind of laws (short of this absolute ban that you say you are taking off the table) do you think would have prevented a mentally troubled teenager from killing his mother and going on a killing spree at his old elementary school? If you want better reporting of mental illness, then the NRA is right there with you. But what other reasonable regualtion do you think we could have had that would have prevented this tragedy? And the Manchin Toomey was pointless, its not just a regulatory maginot line. its a regulatory maginot chain link fence. Its primary purpose was to act as a fig leaf so that the gun control side wouldn’t feel foolish for squandering its best opportunity to pass meaningful legislation on an assault weapons ban. The NRA was only too happy to deny them this fig leaf. > [@](#): > > The NRA isn’t interested in co-existing with the rest of the population. It fights tooth and nail to impose its will on it. Kind of ironic for the Defenders of Freedom, right? So how accommodating is NARAL towards the pro-life crowd? > [@](#): > > I’m willing to compromise, and the vast majority of gun control advocates is as well. How about you? I can appreciate your position. You would like to eliminate all guns but seeing as how that is impossible you are willing to settle for something that is possible in the real world. Unfortunately, too many of the people that run the debate on your side feel they can take half now and come back for the other half later. Personally, I think we should have licensing and registration but I understand why gun rights folks don’t trust the gun control folks to leave well enough alone. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5602 "2015-08-13T20:57:29Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > And sometimes they are texting their daughters before the movie starts, and need shooting. Why would you shoot someone for texting BEFORE the movie starts? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5603 "2015-08-14T01:38:09Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > How long has it been? Decades? A century? > > Give it time, people. Up until fairly recently ALL civilizations became oppressive from time to time. Having weapons does little to prevent tyranny if you have an organized army on the side of the tyrants. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5604 "2015-08-14T01:41:33Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Damn, that’s some heavy duty stupid right there. Someone could easily have been killed or seriously injured. I have to wonder if there weren’t other laws violated. Does Connecticut require background checks (for the recipient)? For that matter does Idaho? I’m not even sure which state’s laws would apply. I think there is a federal law that requires all interstate sales of firearms to go through a licensed gun dealer. That means a NICS check. But if its just a gift, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5605 "2015-08-14T02:04:15Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > This is getting to be more and more like a paper towel scenario all the time. This fucknut will be talking about winning any second now! He’s proven the very physical impossibility of the matter! Modern guns do not accidentally discharge!!! The end!!! Way to go, Scumpup Artist. They do but its usually a design or manufacturing flaw. A modern gun (meaning anything after about 1900) that is designed and manufactured properly does not accidentally discharge. Someone has to pull the trigger. The instances of design flaws leading to accidental discharge are fairly well publicized (the Remington 700 comes to mind). I don’t think ruger blackhawks are known to have these sort of design flaws. They don’t go off unless someone pulls the trigger. I will say that single action guns tend to have light triggers so a NEGLIGENT discharge is more likely with a single action than a double action revolver because the trigger doesn’t have to cock the hammer, it only has to release the hammer. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5606 "2015-08-14T02:11:46Z")
There is a saying among shooters that there are no accidental discharges, only negligent discharges. With modern arms, that is largely true. The Blackhawk is a safe, proven design. The gun control assclowns in this thread are desperate to blame the gun for some reason. Why they are so hard against the idea that one or more people did something stupid here is a puzzlement. These are the same people who endlessly yammer that people are too stupid or too untrustworthy to have guns. Cock the gun, pull the trigger, it will go off…just as it was designed to do. Simple. Only they know why they want to pile unlikely events on top of each other so that the narrative involves the gun “just going off.” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5607 "2015-08-14T02:12:26Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > He’s afraid of people with guns. 😛 No, in this case we are talking about a gun that is so volatile that it went off while someone was holding it. That’s what he thinks guns are. Guns without transfer bars don’t typically go off because someone is holding it, they MIGHT go off if someone drops it in just the right way. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5608 "2015-08-14T04:13:16Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > Suppose the Kennedys, instead of sending in the National Guard, simply gave guns to all the blacks. Somalians can tell you how well that works out for a country. Is that what happened in Somalia? I remember what happened when society broke down and the cops couldn’t (or wouldn’t) protect protect Korean storeowners in LA in 1992. Guns in the hands of civilians can be used as instruments of law and order rather than dystopian chaos. > [@](#): > > But if you want a police state and militarized law enforcement, go ahead and give every civilian a gun. The cops would need expanded powers and methods to deal with all the guns they’d be facing on the street. Every civilian in America already has a right to own guns… since 1789. But lets say we made guns illegal, do you think there is ANY chance that the criminals would suddenly get rid of their guns because it was illegal (and its already illegal for them to have guns if they have a felony record, however, that doesn’t seem to stop them). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5609 "2015-08-14T04:15:09Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Theory 1 is consistent with all the information we have. Theory 2 is, well it’s a theory. Both are consistent with what we know. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5610 "2015-08-14T04:18:00Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Essentially, yes. Or more specifically, I know that there are a lot of fuck ups out there. A shitload, really. I mean, half the population has an IQ below 100, and that’s just for starters. Beyond that, think of all the people who are just bad decision makers. Hell, you can probably think of multiple people who you wouldn’t trust to make you a sandwich at Subway. > > Then there are people who would otherwise be okay, but who are very anxious, frightened people. They are disposed to overestimate threats and to overreact. > > Compounding the problem is the fact that people who should not have guns are disproportionately drawn to having them. > > Scared, panicky idiots. That’s the problem with guns. Almost everything you said could be applied to people who drive cars. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5611 "2015-08-14T04:21:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Both are consistent with what we know. Damn, you’re fucking dumb. One is consistent with what we know. The other requires everyone involved to be lying about what happened. So, one is entirely inconsistent with what we know, and depends on speculation and on rumpus room csi. Speaking of which, Scumpup you chickenshit pussy! You are still fleeing like a scared little boy from my questions! Answer them, you simp. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5612 "2015-08-14T04:27:32Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So how did we get from that nuanced view of freedom and security, to the current insanity of amassing as many guns of as much destructive power as any source can supply, with as little oversight as possible? An average group of farmer in 1776 was probably a much better match for the soldiers of his time than a bunch of gun nuts with Ted Nugent’s arsenal would be for the soldiers of our time. With that said, I think that we are pretty safe from tyranny, sure we will have things like the Japanese interment camps from time to time but the republic will continue to be Democratic. We are never going to vote to give Senator Palpatine emergency executive powers and let him turn America into a tyranny. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5613 "2015-08-14T04:41:00Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > Lucky you, so far. While you’re not getting shot—so far—hundreds of others are per week. If those lives don’t matter to you, feel free to check out of civilization. You make the same mistake that a lot of gun control folks make. They fail to distinguish between legal gun owners and criminals who own guns. > [@](#): > > You left out schools, movie theaters, malls, the workplace, etc., etc. Gun violence isn’t confined to the criminal element. If it was, there probably wouldn’t be much of an anti-gun movement. The majority of gun murders are committed by criminals. When you add in minors, wifebeaters and other prohibited persons, the overwhelming majority of gun murders are committed by people who cannot legally possess a gun. The majority of victims in gun murders are criminals (in large cities, the percentage tends to be in the 70s to 90s). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5614 "2015-08-14T04:46:19Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Bureau of **Alcohol** , Tobacco and **Firearms** , of course drinking goes with guns. _Hold my beer and watch this …_ I have seen people do that. I’ve also seen people drink and drive. Neither of these are good ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5615 "2015-08-14T04:51:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Actually it’s winning because of people like you. The NRA just has to say “Obama is coming for your guns!” and you lot are all “QUICK, TAKE MY MONEY!!!”. Because fear works on you. You mean like the spike in donations the NRA got when they were moving an assault weapons ban through congress? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5616 "2015-08-14T05:06:47Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Damn, you’re fucking dumb. One is consistent with what we know. The other requires everyone involved to be lying about what happened. So, one is entirely inconsistent with what we know, and depends on speculation and on rumpus room csi. > > Speaking of which, Scumpup you chickenshit pussy! You are still fleeing like a scared little boy from my questions! Answer them, you simp. Do we know that the gun was mailed in a box or with a holster? Is it possible the gun was mailed in a bubble wrap envelope without a holster? Then it is also possible that the postal worker grabbed the package in just the right way to depress the trigger (assuming the hammer got cocked somehow). I suppose anything is possible but if you are looking for the most likely explanation for a gun firing a bullet, then that explanation is that the trigger got pulled or dropped the gun onto a hard surface. Occams razor does NOT lead us to the conclusion that the gun just spontaneously, it leads us to the conclusions that the trigger got pulled somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5617 "2015-08-14T06:04:30Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Damn, you’re fucking dumb. One is consistent with what we know. The other requires everyone involved to be lying about what happened. So, one is entirely inconsistent with what we know, and depends on speculation and on rumpus room csi. > > Speaking of which, Scumpup you chickenshit pussy! You are still fleeing like a scared little boy from my questions! Answer them, you simp. I laid out the conditions upthread. You ignored that in favor of whatever this is you think you are doing. I will answer any questions you have that are on topic. You must answer any that I have. Or don’t. I note that pro-gun members here whose opinions and intelligence I respect pretty well ignore you too. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5618 "2015-08-14T06:45:05Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So aside from firearms, abortion is one of the most regulated things in this country. Almost to the point of being illegal in some places. So lets say that a pro-life activist says they are willing to compromise. How much, of Roe v. Wade do you think the pro-choice side should be willing to give up to compromise with the pro-life side? I think the pro-choice side should be willing to give up their guns. Which is to say, this isn’t an abortion thread. The topic is guns, guns, guns. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So what kind of laws (short of this absolute ban that you say you are taking off the table) do you think would have prevented a mentally troubled teenager from killing his mother and going on a killing spree at his old elementary school? If you want better reporting of mental illness, then the NRA is right there with you. But what other reasonable regualtion do you think we could have had that would have prevented this tragedy? Don’t pretend that you want suggestions from the gun control side, as if you’d consider them anything other than a front for Obama taking your guns away, or whatever outlandish delusion you can think of. Like this unbelievable gem: > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And the Manchin Toomey was pointless, its not just a regulatory maginot line. its a regulatory maginot chain link fence. Its primary purpose was to act as a fig leaf so that the gun control side wouldn’t feel foolish for squandering its best opportunity to pass meaningful legislation on an assault weapons ban. The NRA was only too happy to deny them this fig leaf. See what I mean? Is there _anything_ the gun control side could do that you’d accept as sincere? > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I can appreciate your position. You would like to eliminate all guns but seeing as how that is impossible you are willing to settle for something that is possible in the real world. Unfortunately, too many of the people that run the debate on your side feel they can take half now and come back for the other half later. Personally, I think we should have licensing and registration but I understand why gun rights folks don’t trust the gun control folks to leave well enough alone. If it’s impossible to eliminate all guns, why is that used as an excuse to oppose any further gun control measures? Answer me that. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5619 "2015-08-14T07:31:37Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why would you shoot someone for texting BEFORE the movie starts? Fear is the catch-all justification for shooting. LEO or citizen could have a legitimate fear that the perp would go for his cellphone _during_ the movie. One can applaud a LEO willing to give the perp a second chance without diminishing the legitimacy of a good clean kill by a LEO in fear. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5620 "2015-08-14T07:45:19Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You make the same mistake that a lot of gun control folks make. They fail to distinguish between legal gun owners and criminals who own guns. > … > > The majority of gun murders are committed by criminals… Are they? Seriously? I would like to see some firm statistics on that. As I said before, nobody is a criminal until they are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=280) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=282)