# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 284
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5661 "2015-08-16T16:39:58Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > No, I’m asking you to state what you conclude about guns and cars based on these numbers. Conclude means to make an integrative summary or generalizing statement after considering a set of data or some kind of information. > > Be forewarned, I suspect I know what your conclusion is, and I am going to make fun of you with little sympathy after you make it. > > By the way, I just walked along by a whole bunch of cars. Not one single one hit me. I even traversed a parking lot with cars coming and going in all directions and not one hit me. Parked cars don’t count. I stood next to a target for a while and no one shot me. Deaths in car accidents are unintentional, brought on by carelessness. Death by firearms due to carelessness is far below that of cars. Deliberate shooting is a completely different problem. However, to play your game, homicide by firearm kills roughly one third the number that cars do. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5662 "2015-08-16T16:49:25Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Parked cars don’t count. How do parked cars get parked? Did you think they were born there? A parking lot at an MLB stadium before a game has lots of cars driving around. > [@](#): > > However, to play your game, homicide by firearm kills roughly one third the number that cars do. Okay. Do you conclude that cars are more dangerous than guns because of this? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5663 "2015-08-16T16:56:30Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > How do parked cars get parked? Did you think they were born there? A parking lot at an MLB stadium before a game has lots of cars driving around. Okay. Do you conclude that cars are more dangerous than guns because of this? If the cars are already parked, then they’re not much danger to you, are they? I’ve had years of riding a bicycle in traffic and on rural road and drivers frequently pass far closer than safe operation dictates. What’s your definition of more dangerous? By the numbers, more people are killed by cars than guns. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5664 "2015-08-16T17:08:28Z")
By the numbers, more people are killed by guns than ebola and anthrax. Can you draw a conclusion or are you just not capable? Perhaps it’s the latter, because you’re really ignorant about how parking lots work. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5665 "2015-08-16T17:16:25Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > By the numbers, more people are killed by guns than ebola and anthrax. Can you draw a conclusion or are you just not capable? Perhaps it’s the latter, because you’re really ignorant about how parking lots work. [Ebola toll passes 10,000](http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/3/13/ebola-death-toll-surpasses-10000-in-west-africa.html) However, it appears to be safe to carry anthrax around. Parking lots are temporary vehicle storage facilities. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5666 "2015-08-16T17:18:19Z")
Okay, this guy’s just another fucking idiot. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5667 "2015-08-16T17:24:37Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > By the numbers, more people are killed by guns than ebola and anthrax. Can you draw a conclusion or are you just not capable? Perhaps it’s the latter, because you’re really ignorant about how parking lots work. Want to stop playing stupid gotcha word games? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5668 "2015-08-16T18:01:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Want to stop playing stupid gotcha word games? Understanding stats and risk exposure only seems like gotcha word games if you aren’t very bright. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5669 "2015-08-16T18:08:56Z")
OK, guns kill fewer people than cars. or rather, people with guns kill fewer than drivers of cars. Happy? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5670 "2015-08-16T20:59:52Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > So fucking what if you advocate anything? The NRA would never allow it. The whole point of this futile exercise is that it doesn’t matter if you as a gun owner advocate some measure of gun control. It doesn’t matter what I advocate. As you demonstrated yourself, all that matters is what the NRA advocates and fuck everyone else. You realize that we live in a democracy, right? You might as well say that who you vote for doesn’t matter. > [@](#): > > I see. Even proposals from gun owners aren’t taken seriously, never mind from gun control advocates. Thanks for reinforcing my point, but no thanks for ignoring the question. Does naral adopt any abortion restrictions that are proposed by pro-choice Democrats? Why is the gun lobby the only one that has to accede to pretty much anything that anyone wants to do? There are plenty of gun control proposals I would take seriously. I am in favor of comprehensive gun control reform (licensing and registration with federal preemption and repeal of the old and outdated gun control laws, See NFA restrictions on suppressors, SBR, SBS, etc) and a good idea doesn’t stop being a good idea because someone I otherwise disagree with proposes it. > [@](#): > > That’s very interesting and informative, but it doesn’t answer the question at all, which is, “How is the threat from something that’s impossible an excuse for opposing any further gun control measures?” Because those gun control measures you are talking about restrict rights without providing any benefits. It thought that was clear from the post you were replying to. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5671 "2015-08-16T21:01:44Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > So you finally found some numbers somewhere. Where? :dubious: We can try to come up with numbers we can all agree on as long as you agree that there is a number. > [@](#): > > The comparison is _yours_. You are not even trying to defend it, are you? I didn’t say that the comparison is coming from your side, the arguments are. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5672 "2015-08-16T21:05:14Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Do you assert that all “justifiable homicides” are “beneficial”? The killing of 100 Americans per month by LEO are almost all ruled "“justifiable homicides.” Are they all beneficial? Was the killing of Tamir Rice beneficial? The 300 number is the number for civilians. Police justifiable homicides are a different animal but even there the vast majority of them are clean kills. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5673 "2015-08-16T21:06:33Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Just FYI for everyone else, the idea that 90% of gun homicides are commited by people with criminal records is complete bull fucking shit. This douchebag knows that. We’ve also done this one before, many times. Repeating a false fact after being corrected is just fucking lying. Hentor obviously needs better reading skills. That number includes juveniles as well and he knows or should know it. So he is either lying or stupid. You be the judge. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5674 "2015-08-16T21:13:17Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > We can try to come up with numbers we can all agree on as long as you agree that there is a number. Are you going to tell us where you got yours from, or are you willing to accept the default assumption that they’re out of your ass? > [@](#): > > I didn’t say that the comparison is coming from your side, the arguments are. No, the comparison is an argument, from you, and it’s something else you are trying to weasel out of supporting. What do you use for courage when you don’t have your gun in your hand? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5675 "2015-08-16T21:36:53Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Is that broken down by means of murder? I wonder if guns skew from other causes. The highest credible estimates I have seen say that convicted felons make up a slim majority of gun murderers. 70% have convictions including misdemeanors. Another 20% are juveniles. I don’t know about a permanent bar on gun ownership for all convictions but I would be OK with at least a temporary restriction especially for violent misdemeanors. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5676 "2015-08-16T21:42:06Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Are you going to tell us where you got yours from, or are you willing to accept the default assumption that they’re out of your ass? Are you really asking for sources AGAIN? The Department of Justice and criminologists up and down the spectrum all agree that there are between 100,000 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses. What do you think the number is? > [@](#): > > No, the comparison is an argument, from you, and it’s something else you are trying to weasel out of supporting. No, my comparison was a rebuttal against arguments from your side. Your side points out how risky people are as an argument to restrict gun ownership well those same risky people drive cars on a daily basis at speeds capable of killing people. The argument from your side seems to be that we need to outlaw guns because it is too much power to put into the hands of an unreliable public. > [@](#): > > What do you use for courage when you don’t have your gun in your hand? :rolleyes: Yet another PILLAR of the hoplophoobe argument. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5677 "2015-08-16T21:45:03Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I still hope for an answer from **Damuri Ajashi** , or any of the [del]gun nuts[/del] super-patriotic defenders of God’s Second [del]Comma[/del]Amendment. Its not a commandment, its the constitution. There are ways to change it if you don’t like it. > [@](#): > > The mentality that a “good clean kill” is always a benefit seems too sick to be human, but it is where much of the pro-gun pro-cop commentary points. Was **Damuri Ajashi** ’s claim just a mental lapse, or does it give a true glimpse into his inner thoughts? You’re an idiot. Have you seen ANY of my comments on the cop shoots black dude threads? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5678 "2015-08-17T01:41:09Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You’re an idiot. Have you seen ANY of my comments on the cop shoots black dude threads? You’re the one who assumes all “justified homicides” are “benefits” and I’m an idiot? 😃 (And, BTW, I’ve no idea what you’ve posted in another thread or why you cannot answer a simple question in this one. Are your views so important that I should search for them specially … or skim threads until I see your name?) ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5679 "2015-08-17T01:44:31Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Hentor obviously needs better reading skills. > > That number includes juveniles as well and he knows or should know it. So he is either lying or stupid. You be the judge. I provide links to cites, this twat pulls numbers from his asshole, suggests his made up numbers of course includes juveniles, and then calls me a liar. This is the standard of contributions from the gunintelligent contingent here. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5680 "2015-08-17T01:58:49Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > No, there is _no_ context in which the analogy makes sense. Just drop it, it is not helping you. Of course it is. It won’t change YOUR mind but the argument your side is making seems to be applicabe to cars as well as guns at least in this case. > [@](#): > > Again, we are not hearing much in the way of gun banners in this thread. Most of us want guns taken away from assholes and idiots, to be managed and handled with due care. Not outright banned. We already prohibit felons, wife beaters, juveniles, drug users and the mentally ill (prohibited persons) from purchasing firearms. The judiciary tells us who belongs in these categories (well I suppose a birth certificate tells us who is a juvenile), who tells us who the assholes and idiots are? And if you really think that the most vocal elements of the gun control side of this thread doesn’t want to ban firearms then you haven’t been paying attention. They want to eliminate the private ownership of firearms (more or less). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=283) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=285)