# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/561 "2013-02-16T21:28:30Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > This is frequently claimed. I was interested then to see the CCWs among this week’s gun fails, including theone who brandished her weapon at Chuck E Cheese’s. > [@sinjin](#): > > That is such an astounding statement (bolding mine) that I would love to see your citation for that factoid. For your edification here is a site that details quite more than 1 crime committed by those with ccw between May 2007 and November 2012: [http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm](http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm) Ignorance fought. Thanks. I still support a licensing requirement. I think license holders tend to be safer gun owners. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Then according to many, you are a gun-grabbing lefty, who only supports licensing because that will lead to registration which will lead to confiscation, which will lead to Hitler. > > It’s time that you (and the rest of the majority gun owners who are reasonable and responsible) take the conversation away from the loons who want to see no gun legislation of any kind, ever. Umm, I already support a national gun registry. I think confiscation is about as simple to achieve as expelling all the illegal aliens. The problem with taking the conversation away from the loons is journalists don’t want to talk to reasonable people, they want to talk to the guy who has a confederate flag in the shape of a swastika tattooed on their forehead. I’m an NRA member and I’ve never been to an annual meeting. The folks that go tend to be more extreme than the average NRA member and they elect folks like La Pierre. Its like the Republican party. They’ve been taken over by nutjobs because the average Republican can’t be bothered to show up at the primaries. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/562 "2013-02-16T21:36:35Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Umm, I already support a national gun registry. I think confiscation is about as simple to achieve as expelling all the illegal aliens. > > The problem with taking the conversation away from the loons is journalists don’t want to talk to reasonable people, they want to talk to the guy who has a confederate flag in the shape of a swastika tattooed on their forehead. > > I’m an NRA member and I’ve never been to an annual meeting. The folks that go tend to be more extreme than the average NRA member and they elect folks like La Pierre. Its like the Republican party. They’ve been taken over by nutjobs because the average Republican can’t be bothered to show up at the primaries. Please consider being more active. We need people like you. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/563 "2013-02-16T21:41:36Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Again, you are debating like a junior high school student. Only a junior high school student would say that. > [@](#): > > “skateboards, roller blades, bicycles, skis, snowboards” = recreational equipment that does not really have very much potential to kill another person. Guns are very often used recreationally. And we just established that guns don’t kill people, people kill people, and people with guns often save others. > [@](#): > > “motorcycles” = must have a license, must have registration and insurance, must follow all road rules and must wear a helmet. Great, but you don’t need a license to ride a skateboard and there certainly are rule on what you can do with guns. > [@](#): > > “power tools” = this one is just stupid. What, couldn’t think of a come back for that one? > [@](#): > > “alcohol” = certainly causes damage, especially when combined with vehicles. Are you trying to argue here that since alcohol misuse causes damage, therefore we should not try to mitigate any damage caused by other things (like guns?). So if a murder happens, we might as well not try to enforce any laws at all? I’m sorry, I didn’t know I would have to explain to you that with increased freedoms often comes increased risks. If you want to be free to drink alcohol, you must accept the risk that some people will get hurt because of it. Same with skateboards, cars and bicycles. Of course we could outlaw anything that we think is dangerous but then life wouldn’t be as much fun at all. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/564 "2013-02-17T04:01:48Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Ignorance fought. Thanks. I still support a licensing requirement. I think license holders tend to be safer gun owners. I would still like to see where you got the only “1” crime committed by a person with a CCW since 1976. Please give me a citation for that so I know where you were coming from. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/565 "2013-02-17T04:08:55Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > And we just established that guns don’t kill people, people kill people, and people with guns often save others. If people couldn’t save others with guns they would just switch to knives or hammers. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/566 "2013-02-17T04:13:45Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > If people couldn’t save others with guns they would just switch to knives or hammers. I haven’t LOL’d since 1996, but that broke my streak. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/567 "2013-02-17T04:15:17Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > If people couldn’t save others with guns they would just switch to knives or hammers. Which is maybe great if you are a young strong man, like a lot of crooks. Certainly not good at all if you are female or elderly, like a lot of victims. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/568 "2013-02-17T04:24:09Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Which is maybe great if you are a young strong man, like a lot of crooks. Certainly not good at all if you are female or elderly, like a lot of victims. You nailed it. I’m five feet, 110 pounds, my Wife drove off the muggers, but we expected them to show up and try to eliminate the witness. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/569 "2013-02-17T05:48:58Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Please consider being more active. We need people like you. The annual meeting is in Houston this year, that means taking time off and flying across the country to cast a meaningless vote. What DOESN’T help is when ignorant politicians try to pass laws that restrict our rights without having any beneficial effect for society. I don’t think that the second amendment will protect democracy. If the second amendment ever comes into the picture, we probably don’t have any democracy left to protect. But I have seen society collapse, I’ve seen cops drive right by looters ruining the livelihood of families. There are only so many cops and there is no guarantee that you will be high on their list of people to protect. I saw the difference that guns made that week. > [@sinjin](#): > > I would still like to see where you got the only “1” crime committed by a person with a CCW since 1976. Please give me a citation for that so I know where you were coming from. > > Thanks. I have no idea. In retrospect, the claim sounds ridiculous considering that the Tuscon shooter had CCW. I picked it up somewhere and internalized it. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > You nailed it. > I’m five feet, 110 pounds, my Wife drove off the muggers, but we expected them to show up and try to eliminate the witness. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/570 "2013-02-17T13:15:36Z")
"Four weeks ago, California state Sen. Leland Yee (D) got a death threat “unlike any other” he has ever received. “The author of the email specifically stated that if I did not cease our legislative efforts to stop gun violence that he would assassinate me in or around the Capitol,” Yee said in a statement released Thursday. “He stated that he was a trained sniper and his email detailed certain weapons he possessed.” " Thankfully, the guy has been arrested. Now will he keep or lose his right to own guns? > **[Yee calls death threat over gun measures explicit and chilling](https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-xpm-2013-feb-14-la-me-pc-yee-death-threat-20130214-story.html)** > > Yee calls death threat over gun measures explicit and chilling ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/571 "2013-02-17T14:22:19Z")
15 year old saves himself and little sister with an AR15: https://www.youtube.com/embed/j-q2zHIovOE?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque&list=PLSw0sjngejk4zIZTU40pH-4MyqCdd0I_H ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/572 "2013-02-17T14:57:47Z")
Some Valentine’s day love for our resident gun nuts. All these were on 2-14-13. there are probably more, but no one collects them all in one place. Clayton County, Ga. – A man was shot to death during an argument with a woman inside a residence yesterday. No other information was available. Cicero, Ill. – A 17-year-old boy on a street was shot multiple times and pronounced dead at the scene at 7:46 p.m. yesterday. Ramsey, Minn. – A 67-year-old woman and her 65-year-old husband were found dead, each with a gunshot wound to the head, apparently the result of a murder-suicide. The couple’s daughter had asked police to check on the two after receiving an email from her father saying they were being evicted from their rented house and they planned to kill themselves. Abbeville, La. – Two brothers, ages 24 and 25, were shot dead in their home about 8 a.m. Tuesday. A 17-year-old male was later booked on two counts of first-degree murder. Clayton Township, Mich. – A 17-year-old boy was shot and killed by his 64-year-old father when the boy began punching and shoving his mother and sister about 1:15 p.m. Sunday. The boy and his mother had been arguing before the incident escalated. Hearing the fight, the father came out of his bedroom with a handgun and shot his son once in the abdomen. Police have had previous contact with the teen because of his behavior. Cleveland, Ohio – A 45-year-old woman was shot in the chest and killed about 10:40 p.m. yesterday after she got caught in a crossfire when two men started shooting at each other in a parking lot near her home. Her birthday was Tuesday. She leaves behind five children, ranging in age from 7 to 25. Oakland, Calif. – A man was shot to death inside an apartment about 2:30 p.m. yesterday. Witnesses saw two men run from the scene after the shooting. San Leandro, Calif. – A man in his late teens was found shot at an elementary school campus around 8:45 p.m. yesterday. He died a short time later at a local hospital. Police think the shooting might have been related to a dice game. Council Bluffs, Iowa – A 22-year-old woman and her 19-month-old son were shot and wounded outside their apartment about 5:40 a.m. Tuesday by a 30-year-old man. The woman was struck eight times; the boy was hit in his arm. Police say they know the motive but have not yet released it. The man has been arrested. Chesterfield County, S.C. – A 56-year-old man got out of his truck in the parking lot of a county courthouse and sprayed a 21-year-old woman’s car with gunfire. The woman was going to the court to try and prove that he is the father of her 6-month child and to discuss child support. She was hit in the face, chest, and stomach. Her step-father was stuck once. Both are in stable condition. Albuquerque, N.M. – Around 6:30 p.m. on Tuesday, two men showed up at a hospital within a short time of each other with gunshot wounds. That was about an hour after police responded to reports of gunshots fired on a street but found nothing but shell casings and some blood. Police are investigating. Elizabeth, N.J. – A 34-year-old man was found shot in the neck and chest and lying on a driveway around 5:40 p.m. yesterday. He was listed in stable condition. Elizabeth, N.J. – A man walking on a street about 6:45 p.m. yesterday heard two gunshots and then realized he had been shot in the side. He was in stable condition. Detroit, Mich. – Two brothers, ages 16 and 17, shot and wounded by a utility worker they robbed about 9 p.m. on February 7, were charged on Tuesday with armed robbery. The worker – a 59-year-old male with a license to carry a concealed pistol – was working on a light pole with a 59-year-old male colleague when the armed teens threatened and robbed the two workers. At some point, the worker managed to shoot the assailants. Chicago, Ill. – A man in his mid-20s was shot and wounded during a street-robbery about 2:30 p.m. yesterday. The victim was listed in serious-to-critical condition. Chicago, Ill. – Two boys, ages 15 and 16, were shot and wounded as they walked on a sidewalk about 4:45 p.m. yesterday. A friend with the victims at the time said someone came out of an alley and fired four or five shots at them. Both victims were reported as stabilized. Kendall, Fla. – A 13-year-old boy was shot at his home around 5 p.m. yesterday. Police responding to reports of shots-fired found three juveniles and one adult inside the home. The victim was listed in critical condition. No arrests have been made. An investigation is underway. Hendersonville, Tenn. – A 29-year-old man shot and wounded his 26-year-old wife at a residence about 10 p.m. yesterday. He was charged with aggravated assault although the call came into police as an accidental shooting. Two children at home at the time of the incident were unharmed. No report on the woman’s condition. Houston, Tex. – A woman leaving a gym was robbed and shot in the parking lot about 9 p.m. yesterday. A car pulled up to her as she walked to her vehicle and an armed man snatched her purse and shot her. She was listed in stable condition with a punctured lung. Philadelphia, Penn. – Earlier this week, a 7-year-old first-grade boy at an elementary school brought a loaded .357 magnum revolver into the cafeteria before school and showed it to some friends. The school police officer took the gun from the boy. A 32-year-old woman, who is not related to the boy, has been arrested in connection with the incident. Westminster, Colo. – Two men were having heated words in front of a big-box discount department store when one of the men – 33-years old – displayed a holstered gun. The 33-year-old had been talking loudly a cell phone and using profanity when the other man passed by and objected to his behavior. Upon seeing the gun, the passer by immediately tackled the armed man, who was knocked unconscious when his head hit the ground. The armed man was jailed on charges of felony menacing, unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon and reckless endangerment. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/573 "2013-02-17T15:11:57Z")
I’m sure someone can come up with an equivalent list of lots of people who were saved by guns on that same day. Right? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/574 "2013-02-17T16:02:18Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I still support a licensing requirement. I think license holders tend to be safer gun owners. > \*snip > Umm, I already support a national gun registry. I’m curious as to what problem we have that you feel would be solved by a National Gun Registry. You don’t want to outlaw guns, and you are an NRA member, but support registration. My question is why? 1. If Mrs. Lanza had registered her guns, Newtown would still have happened. So would VA Tech, Columbine, and all other mass shootings that we’ve had. 2. If people go off the deep end and want to murder, rape, or steal, they will do it with their previously registered guns. 3. Criminals, who by definition don’t obey the law, won’t register their guns. I would consider registration (if we could trust that the infringements would stop there) as something I could live with if I saw a legitimate need for the cost and the hassle of doing it. I don’t see that. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/575 "2013-02-17T16:18:19Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > Ramsey, Minn. – A 67-year-old woman and her 65-year-old husband were found dead, each with a gunshot wound to the head, apparently the result of a murder-suicide. The couple’s daughter had asked police to check on the two after receiving an email from her father saying they were being evicted from their rented house and they planned to kill themselves. Did they get the deposit back? ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/576 "2013-02-17T17:30:16Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > 1. Criminals, who by definition don’t obey the law, won’t register their guns. True, they won’t register their guns. But if we require both the seller and buyer to record the transaction, there would be clear evidence of the illegal transaction. If the seller sends in his transfer form but the buyer doesn’t, the registry would instantly know that and could flag it as needing investigation. Registration wouldn’t eliminate gun murders. But if done right, it could hinder gun access by criminals without overburdening legal owners. I agree with your points #1&2. Registration doesn’t do anything for those. Rooms full of dead children are the price we pay for arming every moron who feels they will need to fight against a tyrannical government. However, that doesn’t mean we can’t reduce other illegal use of guns. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/577 "2013-02-17T18:05:35Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > 1. Criminals, who by definition don’t obey the law, won’t register their guns. Yeah, I think we need to get rid of those pesky murder laws too. And rape. So many times I have a legitimate need to rape someone but since I’m following the law, only the criminals get to do it. What’s a law-abiding citizen to do? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/578 "2013-02-17T19:08:43Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > True, they won’t register their guns. But if we require both the seller and buyer to record the transaction, there would be clear evidence of the illegal transaction. If the seller sends in his transfer form but the buyer doesn’t, the registry would instantly know that and could flag it as needing investigation. That could be accomplished by universal background checks. (Not that I support it, but we could do what you propose without a full gun registry). > [@YogSosoth](#): > > Yeah, I think we need to get rid of those pesky murder laws too. And rape. So many times I have a legitimate need to rape someone but since I’m following the law, only the criminals get to do it. What’s a law-abiding citizen to do? ☹ I’ve never understood this argument. We pass laws against murder and rape because we believe that NOBODY should commit murder or rape. Me, you, or any poster here. And if one of us does, we get punished. Life in prison or a lethal injection is a deterrent for many people who might otherwise kill someone. We want to pass laws for registering guns so that when the minuscule portion of the population commits a crime with a gun, we can trace that gun back to the registered owner. We all understand that grandpa with his shotgun isn’t going to be a problem and it’s an extra hassle for him, but we agree for the greater good to make everyone register. However, the practical effect of the law is that grandpa registers his shotgun, but the criminals do not. So the “good things” the law is supposed to do never happens. We have a new bureaucracy to keep track of how many guns and the serial numbers that I own, but when a drug dealer buys one off of a plane from Colombia, we don’t have a list of his guns. But unlike the rape and murder laws, violating a gun registration law, when the criminal is already going to violate laws that could get him the death penalty or life in prison, is no impediment at all. THAT is the difference between registration and rape/murder laws. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/579 "2013-02-17T19:24:40Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > We want to pass laws for registering guns so that when the minuscule portion of the population commits a crime with a gun, we can trace that gun back to the registered owner. _Pssst_. That’s not the only reason we register guns. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/580 "2013-02-17T19:42:19Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > That could be accomplished by universal background checks. (Not that I support it, but we could do what you propose without a full gun registry). I’m not following how this would help if you didn’t have the registry. If grandpa can sell his gun to a guy in a Target parking lot, what system is in place to ensure that the buyer is allowed to buy it? You can’t just count on grandpa insisting on a background check. If there is a registry where grandpa has to declare that he sold his gun to Joe, and Joe has to register that he bought the gun, then the system can enforce the background checks. If grandpa sends in his form but Joe doesn’t, then Joe has committed a crime. Without the permanent registry, there is no way to enforce background checks for private purchases. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=30)