# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 291
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5801 "2015-09-01T05:00:27Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > … studies show that you are more likely to die from homicide or from suicide if you have a gun in the house. A recent meta-analysis of \*\*16 \*\* such studies confirmed this: … Yes, but couldn’t that be an argument _in favor of_ gun ownership? After all, the guns did behave as intended. Don’t we even one gun nut already on record that non-felonious gun deaths are always beneficial? (Yes, the gun owner’s death from homicide may not be beneficial, but at least his family will be proud that he went down defending God’s Second Amendndment.) Surely reliability is a feature to incorporate into advertisements. _Smith and Wesson. 96% of suicide attempts made with our products are successful. Buy one now at [Amazon.Com](http://Amazon.Com)_ ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5802 "2015-09-01T12:59:37Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > How? Declaring your house a gun-free home doesn’t advertise valuables; I’d like to hear how a gun-free home is an enticement. You’ll be glad to hear that I don’t think declaring your home gun free would be an enticement. Thieves look for empty houses to rob, something “I need muh gun fer perteckshun” types just can’t seem to grasp. Guns are, in fact, completely useless at protecting your valuables unless you’re home, guarding them, with family members taking shifts watching over your fine whatevers. I’m guessing unfinished coloring books in your own case, or maybe a smokeless ashtray. Putting up a sign declaring your house gun free would just be lame, largely because it wouldn’t make a difference, unless you’re trying to advertise something else, like how you’re real hip and socially aware and smug. In that case, it would probably be effective. In my own personal neighborhood, it would be redundant. Nobody keeps guns in their homes around here. And yet, somehow, we remain polite and rarely riot or loot. When one thinks about it–like I’m sure you could do with some effort, for instance you totally noticed that I was making fun of you earlier, so well done for that–advertising that you do or don’t have a gun with a sign on your house is a stupid idea, which is why people largely don’t, opting instead to advertise their security companies. It’s not nearly as stupid as your “let’s give everybody a gun and see what happens” idea… hang on, I’m giving you a bit too much credit, let’s call it not an idea but a brain miscarriage or something like, anyway, kudos, you’re not as stupid as you were that time when you actually took the effort to type out the worst idea that a person could possibly have that doesn’t involve krokodil. Don’t get me wrong, your daring challenge to have people who don’t own guns to purchase and display a sign reading “no guns” is deeply, arrestingly backward, but still much improved. And yes, Lumpy, I am making fun of you again, in case you weren’t sure. I don’t mean to alarm you, but I think some others are as well. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5803 "2015-09-01T13:08:28Z")
> [@Dave\_Hartwick](#): > > …unless you’re trying to advertise something else, like how you’re real hip and socially aware and smug. You have certainly taught us some things about hip and smug. Pompous and unfunny, too. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5804 "2015-09-01T13:44:47Z")
> [@Dave\_Hartwick](#): > > You’ll be glad to hear that I don’t think declaring your home gun free would be an enticement. Thieves look for empty houses to rob, something “I need muh gun fer perteckshun” types just can’t seem to grasp. Guns are, in fact, completely useless at protecting your valuables unless you’re home, guarding them, with family members taking shifts watching over your fine whatevers. I’m guessing unfinished coloring books in your own case, or maybe a smokeless ashtray. Hey, it took them YEARS to assemble their Chia Menagerie! ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5805 "2015-09-01T17:35:39Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > How? Declaring your house a gun-free home doesn’t advertise valuables; I’d like to hear how a gun-free home is an enticement. It a taunt, and you’re basically putting yourself out there to stand out. And as a homeowner, why would I care to tell anyone anything about myself through lawn signs? I don’t even have bumper stickers on my car. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5806 "2015-09-02T03:00:43Z")
This one is kind of stupid. [Drive-by shooting in Walla Walla](http://t.union-bulletin.com/news/2015/sep/01/teens-charged-adults-walla-walla-drive-shooting/?): \*Two Walla Walla teenagers have been charged as adults in connection with the riddling of a house on Donald Street with bullets last March. Alleged local gang associates Eduardo Chavez, 17 … and Jesse L. Murphy, 16 … were charged Monday … with drive-by shooting.… Although the defendants are juveniles, adult charges are required because of the youths’ older ages and the severity of the offense. Officials claim that Murphy — with Chavez as the passenger — drove his Toyota pickup by 119 Donald St. about 2:40 a.m. March 28. Chavez allegedly fired numerous rounds from what’s believed to be a .22-caliber rifle into the home, striking it 13 times. No one was hurt, but bullets reportedly went into the garage, house walls and through a bedroom window. The brother of a person who lives at the home was “an enemy” of a gang with which Chavez and Murphy associate, according to a Sheriff’s Office report filed in court. Chavez also is charged as an adult with three counts of first-degree assault and one count of second-degree unlawful possession of a firearm in a separate case.\* I mean, teenagers playing with guns and shooting at each other, that seems a bit _de rigeur_. But how those teenagers are getting their hands on guns is something that really needs to be looked at. Washington state got a new law initiated into place this year intended to help keep track of where people are getting their hands on guns, I would hope that the source of these kids’ guns would face some kind of consequences for facilitating this activity. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5807 "2015-09-02T09:13:51Z")
Teen accidentally shoots himself [while taking a selfie](http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2015/09/01/teen-accidentally-shoots-self-while-taking-selfie/71546868/): > [@](#): > > The teen tried to take a picture of himself holding a gun to his head when the gun went off, according to the Houston Police Department. > > The victim’s uncle said he ran into the apartment in the 9800 block of Forum Park Drive and attempted to resuscitate his nephew but he had already died. > > The victim’s family said he leaves behind two young daughters and that he was a fun-loving person. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5808 "2015-09-02T16:10:43Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Chavez allegedly fired numerous rounds from what’s believed to be a .22-caliber rifle into the home, striking it 13 times. 13 rounds from a 22 rifle in a drive-by? Did they have to park for a minute? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5809 "2015-09-02T16:27:54Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > 13 rounds from a 22 rifle in a drive-by? Did they have to park for a minute? Nope; there are .22 semiautomatics with magazines up to 100 rounds. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5810 "2015-09-02T16:31:43Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Teen accidentally shoots himself [while taking a selfie](http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2015/09/01/teen-accidentally-shoots-self-while-taking-selfie/71546868/): Unfortunate that he had already passed on his genes. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5811 "2015-09-09T17:24:56Z")
NYC Police fire 84 shots at suspect, 83 miss: > **[NYPD Officers Fire 84 Shots At Suspect, Miss 83 Times](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nypd-84-shots-brooklyn_n_55ec4b31e4b093be51bbb978)** > > "I couldn't believe how long it was going on." ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5812 "2015-09-09T18:12:13Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > NYC Police fire 84 shots at suspect, 83 miss: > > [NYPD Officers Fire 84 Shots At Suspect, Miss 83 Times | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nypd-84-shots-brooklyn_55ec4b31e4b093be51bbb978) And yet, “I need my gun for protection. I need my gun to protect myself and my family.” The evidence is clear, guns are a piss poor way to protect yourself. “1 percent of the time, it works every time.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5813 "2015-09-09T18:17:25Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > NYC Police fire 84 shots at suspect, 83 miss: > > [NYPD Officers Fire 84 Shots At Suspect, Miss 83 Times | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nypd-84-shots-brooklyn_55ec4b31e4b093be51bbb978) Are there any reports on collateral damage? I’m thinking those other 83 bullets didn’t just drop to the ground when they missed their target. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5814 "2015-09-09T18:30:08Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > And yet, “I need my gun for protection. I need my gun to protect myself and my family.” > > The evidence is clear, guns are a piss poor way to protect yourself. > > “1 percent of the time, it works every time.” Guns should be restricted to military and law enforcement because they have the training and skills to use them properly. [I’m the only one in this room professional enough that I know of to carry this Glock 40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0) ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5815 "2015-09-09T18:32:05Z")
Coulda been worse, he could have shot himself in the leg 84 times. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5816 "2015-09-09T19:31:27Z")
A 12 lb trigger pull probably doesn’t help. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5817 "2015-09-09T19:50:52Z")
Good point. I had forgotten about the New York trigger. [NYPD’s Choice of Firearm May Have Contributed to the Terrible Shooting](http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/foghorn/nypds-choice-of-firearm-may-have-contributed-to-the-terrible-shooting/) Still dismal shooting though. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5818 "2015-09-09T19:50:55Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > A 12 lb trigger pull probably doesn’t help. If they are like a lot of cops, that heavy trigger is compounded by not practicing enough to overcome it. Are NY cops required to take any post-academy firearms training or practice? Qualification once every 6 or 12 months doesn’t count. It is neither training nor practice. It isn’t even proof of minimal competency IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5819 "2015-09-09T20:19:33Z")
Honolulu Police Department makes a stupid gun move, [choosing to destroy used and even brand new police firearms rather than give them to another law enforcement agency](http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/29721656/exclusive-hpd-will-destroy-2300-old-guns-worth-500k). That’s $500,000 down the drain. HPD chose to change service weapons from Smith & Wesson 9mm to Glock 17s. Rather than auction the old duty weapons to the public or donate them to another law enforcement agency they instead choose to destroy them including 200 brand new, still in the box, weapons. Police administrators claimed they had not been able to find a law enforcement agency that wanted the weapons. However the state sheriff’s division which uses Smith & Wesson firearms had not been offered the unwanted weapons. I’d be surprised if some law enforcement agency, even if out of state, wouldn’t be willing to happily accept them. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5820 "2015-09-09T20:24:15Z")
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