# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 293
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5841 "2015-09-15T03:18:42Z")
You left out the stupid part… [Rockland tenant who shot intruder told to give up gun](http://bangordailynews.com/2015/09/02/news/midcoast/rockland-tenant-who-shot-intruder-told-to-give-up-gun/) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5842 "2015-09-15T03:45:35Z")
“Robbed” 5 times is wrong. Fail to use the wrong word. ---
**Author:** ![bosbfdsfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@bosbfdsfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bosbfdsfd)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5843 "2015-09-15T03:57:55Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > It’s worked for me for 61 years. 🙂 And it’ll work right up until the point it doesn’t. Despite the hysterical left’s endless temper tantrums, there are bad people that want to prey on the innocent, and guns are the great equalizer, in that they allow these bad people to be hurt or killed in commissioning these crimes. Thankfully, you get to choose whether or not you’ll be a victim, since freedom-hating liberals’ quest to ensure that only criminals have guns have been an utter failure. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5844 "2015-09-15T05:18:56Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > You left out the stupid part… > > [Rockland tenant who shot intruder told to give up gun](http://bangordailynews.com/2015/09/02/news/midcoast/rockland-tenant-who-shot-intruder-told-to-give-up-gun/) Yeah, shooting guns in an apartment building is such a smart idea.:smack: I suppose you call yourself a responsible gun owner, too. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5845 "2015-09-15T05:54:02Z")
[Another responsible gun owner](http://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2015/09/man_teases_cat_laser_sight.html) Vaughn Rothering was playing with his cat. The classic chase-the-dot game – using the laser sight on his pistol. At some point, he spun the pistol and it must not have like that, because it spit up in his roommate’s ankle. He will be fined $50 :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5846 "2015-09-15T18:30:00Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > You left out the stupid part.. > > [Rockland tenant who shot intruder told to give up gun](http://bangordailynews.com/2015/09/02/news/midcoast/rockland-tenant-who-shot-intruder-told-to-give-up-gun/) I agree, it’s stupid that a housing complex that has manifestly failed to provide adequate security for its tenants nonetheless insists that an elderly wheelchair-bound man targeted for his prescriptions not arm himself. > [@eschereal](#): > > “Robbed” 5 times is wrong. Fail to use the wrong word. What’s the right word- burgled? I used robbed in the sense of “lost belongings to a thief”, not necessarily that he was held up. > [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > Yeah, shooting guns in an apartment building is such a smart idea.:smack: Depends on whether he used low-penetration ammo like hollowpoints or not. In any case he fired once and hit his target; no problem. Are you trying to claim this wasn’t a legitimate use of a gun? ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5847 "2015-09-16T02:03:57Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Depends on whether he used low-penetration ammo like hollowpoints or not. In any case he fired once and hit his target; no problem. > > Are you trying to claim this wasn’t a legitimate use of a gun? I’m claiming that a no-guns rule in an apartment building is a no-brainer. The landlord has to consider the safety of all tenants. It shouldn’t need to be pointed out to you that he can’t depend on random people to use good sense in handling weapons in their apartments. Let’s see if this was legitimate use of a gun: –The article doesn’t say, but it looks like Harvey Lembo didn’t take a course in gun safety, something that’s promoted regularly by gun owners as a prerequisite for responsible gun use. Instead of knocking this guy for irresponsibly neglecting to take a course, you’re lauding him as a good example. What makes him different? –With no threat of death or injury to himself, he shot at a moving target in an apartment without considering the danger of accidentally shooting someone next door. Hitting the intruder sounded more like dumb luck than anything. Lembo himself said, “Just barely missed the side of the wall.” Explain that as responsible gun use. –Lembo’s frustration is understandable, but there’s no mention in the article that he took any measures to prevent break-ins other than getting a gun. What about the maxim that guns should only be used as a last line of defence? That’s one of the few statements from gun owners that I wholeheartedly agree with because it acknowledges the serious consequences of using guns. Lembo was oblivious to those consequences. He didn’t show himself to be responsible at all. I can’t believe that you, who presumably advocates responsible gun use, are supporting him. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5848 "2015-09-16T03:13:00Z")
Why doesn’t it “look like” Mr Lembo took a gun safety class? Because he is a fat guy in a wheelchair? What if he owned a gun previously or was ex-military? Why would you assume he didn’t take previous safety measures to prevent a break in? It would depend on what his lease would allow and what was he physically able to do. You also have no idea what types of rounds he used so you don’t even know if he posed a threat to the tenants in adjacent units. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5849 "2015-09-16T03:53:38Z")
Even if it were the only shot he’s ever fired in his life, he’s still miles ahead of the “trained, professional, police officers” mentioned in the other thread who shot at a fleeing suspect 38 times and hit him exactly once. In the leg. Therefore being an accident because LEOs are ‘trained’ to aim for the center of mass. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5850 "2015-09-16T03:55:58Z")
[America should be more like… Switzerland?](http://www.salon.com/2015/09/14/the_rights_deeply_misleading_new_gun_control_meme_america_should_be_more_like_switzerland/) ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5851 "2015-09-16T04:34:39Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > Why doesn’t it “look like” Mr Lembo took a gun safety class? Because he is a fat guy in a wheelchair? No, not because he’s a fat guy in a wheelchair, as you describe him. It’s because he bought the gun during the day and shot the guy that night. I don’t believe that’s enough time for a gun safety course, is it? > [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > What if he owned a gun previously or was ex-military? I have to admit that I since found [this article](http://www.pressherald.com/2015/09/02/rockland-man-shot-during-break-in-to-make-first-court-appearance-today/): > [@](#): > > Though Lembo spent most of his working life as a lobsterman on Vinalhaven, he is familiar with guns. When he was 18, he worked as a police officer on Vinalhaven and was taught to shoot by the police chief, he said. I won’t assume;) that he’s had no experience with guns since then, but _if_ he hasn’t, does that still make him qualified? That was 49 years ago, after all. > [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > Why would you assume he didn’t take previous safety measures to prevent a break in? It would depend on what his lease would allow and what was he physically able to do. Because this: "Lembo, asked how he planned to protect himself against potential burglars without his gun, said, “I’m going to have to bolt myself in.” :smack: Why didn’t he do that in the first place? If he had, he wouldn’t have violated the terms of his lease and he wouldn’t be under investigation for breaking state law. Doesn’t sound like the kind of guy to trust making the right decisions with a gun. As he’s already demonstrated. > [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > You also have no idea what types of rounds he used so you don’t even know if he posed a threat to the tenants in adjacent units. Neither does Lumpy, to whom I was replying. Can I assume;) that you’ll admonish him for making assumptions, too? Or is it okay if your side does it? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5852 "2015-09-16T04:40:28Z")
Gun maker Spike’s Tactical is selling a Christian rifle. > **[Gun maker slammed for Christian rifle – DW – 09/15/2015](https://www.dw.com/en/gun-maker-slammed-for-christian-assault-rifle/a-18716538)** > > US arms maker Spike's Tactical has produced an assault rifle with Christian symbols to prevent "Muslim terrorists" from using it. The Council on American-Islamic Relations' local chapter decried the marketing ploy. > [@](#): > > US arms maker Spike’s Tactical has produced an assault rifle with Christian symbols to prevent “Muslim terrorists” from using it. > … > The company said the “Cruzado” or “Crusader” assault rifle used Christian iconography in order to deter Muslims from using it. > > “We wanted to make sure we built a weapon that would never be able to be used by Muslim terrorists to kill innocent people or advance their radical agenda,” said company spokesperson Ben Thomas, an Iraq and Afghanistan war veteran. The rifle is engraved with Psalm 144:1. Blessed be the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle This is stupid on a number of levels. In the first place, would the iconography and Bible verse stop Muslims from using it? Is there some sort of Islamic prohibition against using weapons with Bible verses? I’m skeptical. In the second place, even if the engravings would prevent Muslims from using it, this outfit manufactures all kinds of weapons other than this rifle and which apparently have no such engravings; any of which a Muslim could presumably purchase. So what exactly is this rifle preventing? In the third place, how does it stop crazy gun wielding non-Muslim killers, which currently seem to be a bigger problem in this country? Does Spike’s tactical have a plan for preventing those murders? Are you less dead if your killer wasn’t a Muslim? ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5853 "2015-09-16T05:02:27Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > Even if it were the only shot he’s ever fired in his life, he’s still miles ahead of the “trained, professional, police officers” mentioned in the other thread who shot at a fleeing suspect 38 times and hit him exactly once. In the leg. Therefore being an accident because LEOs are ‘trained’ to aim for the center of mass. Are you implying it was okay for him to endanger other tenants by shooting in his apartment? To shoot someone who was fleeing? And to resort to a gun without securing his door better? ---
**Author:** ![bosbfdsfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@bosbfdsfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bosbfdsfd)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5854 "2015-09-16T05:26:09Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > I’m claiming that a no-guns rule in an apartment building is a no-brainer. The landlord has to consider the safety of all tenants. It shouldn’t need to be pointed out to you that he can’t depend on random people to use good sense in handling weapons in their apartments. > > Let’s see if this was legitimate use of a gun: > > –The article doesn’t say, but it looks like Harvey Lembo didn’t take a course in gun safety, something that’s promoted regularly by gun owners as a prerequisite for responsible gun use. Instead of knocking this guy for irresponsibly neglecting to take a course, you’re lauding him as a good example. What makes him different? > > –With no threat of death or injury to himself, he shot at a moving target in an apartment without considering the danger of accidentally shooting someone next door. Hitting the intruder sounded more like dumb luck than anything. Lembo himself said, “Just barely missed the side of the wall.” Explain that as responsible gun use. > > –Lembo’s frustration is understandable, but there’s no mention in the article that he took any measures to prevent break-ins other than getting a gun. What about the maxim that guns should only be used as a last line of defence? That’s one of the few statements from gun owners that I wholeheartedly agree with because it acknowledges the serious consequences of using guns. Lembo was oblivious to those consequences. > > He didn’t show himself to be responsible at all. I can’t believe that you, who presumably advocates responsible gun use, are supporting him. Do you normally cry crocodile tears when thugs get shot like the animals they are, or only when the potential victim is in a wheelchair? ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5855 "2015-09-16T06:32:30Z")
Thugs?😃 I swear you guys are all living in 1930s movies, pretending to be Humphrey Bogart. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5856 "2015-09-16T11:55:21Z")
> [@bosbfdsfd](#): > > Do you normally cry crocodile tears when thugs get shot like the animals they are, or only when the potential victim is in a wheelchair? I thought the potential victim was in a pill bottle. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5857 "2015-09-16T13:44:52Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > Thugs?😃 I swear you guys are all living in 1930s movies, pretending to be Humphrey Bogart. It’s the new N-word, nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5858 "2015-09-16T14:29:04Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > I’m claiming that a no-guns rule in an apartment building is a no-brainer. The landlord has to consider the safety of all tenants. It shouldn’t need to be pointed out to you that he can’t depend on random people to use good sense in handling weapons in their apartments. > > Let’s see if this was legitimate use of a gun: > > [INDENT]–The article doesn’t say, but it looks like Harvey Lembo didn’t take a course in gun safety, something that’s promoted regularly by gun owners as a prerequisite for responsible gun use. Instead of knocking this guy for irresponsibly neglecting to take a course, you’re lauding him as a good example. What makes him different? He’s a former police officer. > [@](#): > > –With no threat of death or injury to himself, he shot at a moving target in an apartment without considering the danger of accidentally shooting someone next door. Hitting the intruder sounded more like dumb luck than anything. Lembo himself said, “Just barely missed the side of the wall.” Explain that as responsible gun use. Lembo ordered the intruder to remain still; the intruder bolted. Lembo was in fear of injury or death, by his own words. Moreover, on those facts support the inference. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5859 "2015-09-16T15:17:43Z")
Shhh! Don’t confuse him with facts. They only make him whine. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5860 "2015-09-16T16:01:59Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > He’s a former police officer. > > Lembo ordered the intruder to remain still; the intruder bolted. Lembo was in fear of injury or death, by his own words. Moreover, on those facts support the inference. Does the apartment complex have the legal right to restrict the use of firearms within it confines? Is that right voided because a bad guy was hit rather than say a three year old watching TV in the apartment next door? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=292) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=294)