# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 295
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5881 "2015-09-18T17:52:02Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > This, of course, is a great argument for sitting there and just letting them take your stuff, which I’d pretty much agree with. It could be, if you have some way of knowing with absolute certainty that all they want is “your stuff.” ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5882 "2015-09-18T17:53:34Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > It could be, if you have some way of knowing with absolute certainty that all they want is “your stuff.” Natch. It’s lose-lose, ain’t it. If only there were studies that could tell us which side loses more, houses with guns or houses without guns… ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5883 "2015-09-18T18:01:43Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > TBCF, he lived in an apartment: landlords/managers typically have double-keyed locks so that they can enter any apartment at will with a master key or open the door if the tenant has bugged out and left it locked. Because of that, they tend to be a bit restrictive wrt how you can modify your locks. Going by what he said, he was able to do use a bolt lock if he wanted to. Maybe there’s more to it, but that’s what he said. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5884 "2015-09-18T18:32:42Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > What if the burglar junkies came in through the window? What if they came down the chimney? But they didn’t. They used the path of least resistance. That’s what this about, not hypotheticals. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5885 "2015-09-18T18:38:04Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > He is in a wheelchair; also I don’t know if he meant a simple sliding bolt or if by “bolt myself in” he meant something more elaborate like barring the door. Whatever he meant, he didn’t do it and instead got a gun that didn’t make his door any more secure than it was the first four times he was broken into. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5886 "2015-09-18T18:57:02Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > So in other words, if Lembo had shot through a wall and killed that 3-year old watching t.v., he would be a murderer, a criminally irresponsible yahoo, etc. etc. But if the narcotics task force had opened fire because Lembo was reaching for his glasses in the dark, then the dead 3-year old would just be a tragic accident incident to the War On Drugs. You were saying that it’s impossible to safely and responsibly fire a gun in an apartment building; so just what do the police think they’re going to do with those guns? Are they there for show as a bluff? Or are the task force members all descendants of Annie Oakley and can be trusted to fire with superhuman accuracy, unlike your typical troglodyte gun owner? The answer is in my quote that you used. That’s why going down this road will just be tedious. Whatever I post won’t mean anything to you. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5887 "2015-09-18T19:38:26Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Natch. It’s lose-lose, ain’t it. > > If only there were studies that could tell us which side loses more, houses with guns or houses without guns… If only it were about the odds rather than the stakes… ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5888 "2015-09-18T20:51:46Z")
(Added bolding mine) > [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > You can quibble all you want about the size of Lembo’s gun and the ammo, but **shooting inside an apartment building is just plain dangerous, period, no matter what gun it is.** If you really cared about responsible gun use, you’d condemn idiocy like that instead of twisting yourself into a pretzel to justify it. > [@Lumpy](#): > > I repeat my question about the no-knock narcotics raid: why are ten men prepared to fire full-auto M4s in my apartment if it’s unacceptably dangerous to the other tenants? > [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > Let’s get this tedium over with in one post. Because police have more authority by necessity but that doesn’t mean they can abuse that authority recklessly, etc. etc. Now you say police are a hired warrior class with excessive power, then I say that’s an unfair characterization, then you say no it isn’t cuz guns yada yada yada. There, that was quicker and just as productive. > [@Lumpy](#): > > So in other words, if Lembo had shot through a wall and killed that 3-year old watching t.v., he would be a murderer, a criminally irresponsible yahoo, etc. etc. But if the narcotics task force had opened fire because Lembo was reaching for his glasses in the dark, then the dead 3-year old would just be a tragic accident incident to the War On Drugs. **You were saying that it’s impossible to safely and responsibly fire a gun in an apartment building; so just what do the police think they’re going to do with those guns?** Are they there for show as a bluff? Or are the task force members all descendants of Annie Oakley and can be trusted to fire with superhuman accuracy, unlike your typical troglodyte gun owner? > [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > The answer is in my quote that you used. That’s why going down this road will just be tedious. Whatever I post won’t mean anything to you. What answer? I ask in all seriousness. All I can see that you said is essentially “because they’re the police”. I asked how does that make the situation qualitatively different, and I still don’t have an answer beyond “read my post”. Tell you what, **Scumpup** , please tell me if you see an answer to my question, because I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5889 "2015-09-18T23:27:25Z")
He seems to consider “the police have more authority” to be a sufficient answer. YMMV. Mine certainly does. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5890 "2015-09-19T01:52:02Z")
The police use magic bullets that don’t penetrate sheetrock or paneling. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5891 "2015-09-19T19:09:00Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > The police use magic bullets that don’t penetrate sheetrock or paneling. Duh. There’s your answer, Lumpy. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5892 "2015-09-21T16:25:31Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > If they are like a lot of cops, that heavy trigger is compounded by not practicing enough to overcome it. Are NY cops required to take any post-academy firearms training or practice? Qualification once every 6 or 12 months doesn’t count. It is neither training nor practice. It isn’t even proof of minimal competency IMO. The average NYC cop get less range time in a year than I do in a month. I think they have to fire something like 50 rounds a year and hit a man sized target 37 times from 7 yards away. Seriously, I could teach you to shoot that well in a weekend. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5893 "2015-09-21T16:35:40Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Gun maker Spike’s Tactical is selling a Christian rifle. > [Gun maker slammed for Christian rifle – DW – 09/15/2015](http://www.dw.com/en/gun-maker-slammed-for-christian-assault-rifle/a-18716538) > The rifle is engraved with Psalm 144:1. > Blessed be the Lord > my rock, who trains > my hands for war, > my fingers for battle > This is stupid on a number of levels. > > In the first place, would the iconography and Bible verse stop Muslims from using it? Is there some sort of Islamic prohibition against using weapons with Bible verses? I’m skeptical. > > In the second place, even if the engravings would prevent Muslims from using it, this outfit manufactures all kinds of weapons other than this rifle and which apparently have no such engravings; any of which a Muslim could presumably purchase. So what exactly is this rifle preventing? > > In the third place, how does it stop crazy gun wielding non-Muslim killers, which currently seem to be a bigger problem in this country? Does Spike’s tactical have a plan for preventing those murders? Are you less dead if your killer wasn’t a Muslim? Spikes has had engraved lower receivers for a long time. Everything from comic book characters to military unit emblems to bible verses. This bigotry is new. They make mostly AR-15s and had a good reputation for making good quality guns for a very reasonable price. They have been losing that reputation as their prices have crept up and their quality has crept down. I suspect this is a marketing gimmick but maybe they ARE that stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5894 "2015-09-21T17:13:08Z")
> **[Court strikes down DC gun regs in mixed ruling](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/254195-us-court-of-appeals-strikes-down-some-dc-gun-laws/)** > > It’s a partial win for Dick Heller, who won a landmark Supreme Court case in 2008. It really looks like intermediate scrutiny is the way things seem to be going. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5895 "2015-09-21T21:10:23Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > [http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/254195-us-court-of-appeals-strikes-down-some-dc-gun-laws](http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/254195-us-court-of-appeals-strikes-down-some-dc-gun-laws) > > It really looks like intermediate scrutiny is the way things seem to be going. The anti-registration people won’t like it, but on the face of it, it doesn’t actually infringe on keeping and bearing arms. I could live with it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5896 "2015-09-28T13:24:19Z")
Here’s a good one: [man injured in car jacking](http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/09/27/one-man-injured-after-carjacking-shooting-at-gas-station/72923278/). Two men took this poor guys truck at a gas station. A witness to the crime pulled out his gun and started shooting. Missed the criminals, but shot the car jacking victim in the head. He then picked up all the bullet casings and fled the scene. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5897 "2015-09-28T15:24:29Z")
That must be the well-trained militia the founding fathers had in mind, the rugged upstanding patriot who takes responsibility for himself. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5898 "2015-09-28T15:39:54Z")
Of course. Can’t be littering - that would be **wrong**. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5899 "2015-09-28T18:10:16Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Here’s a good one: [man injured in car jacking](http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/09/27/one-man-injured-after-carjacking-shooting-at-gas-station/72923278/). Two men took this poor guys truck at a gas station. A witness to the crime pulled out his gun and started shooting. Missed the criminals, but shot the car jacking victim in the head. He then picked up all the bullet casings and fled the scene. Maybe he was an off-duty cop. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5900 "2015-09-29T13:21:47Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Here’s a good one: [man injured in car jacking](http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/09/27/one-man-injured-after-carjacking-shooting-at-gas-station/72923278/). Two men took this poor guys truck at a gas station. A witness to the crime pulled out his gun and started shooting. Missed the criminals, but shot the car jacking victim in the head. He then picked up all the bullet casings and fled the scene. Thank god for good guys with guns. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=294) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=296)