# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 304
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6061 "2015-10-09T16:33:53Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > A massed march or protest is a terrible place to have to use guns. If you’re facing armed opponents you’re bunched together like fish in a barrel. > > That said, this plan seems to violate the principle of staying out of trouble while armed. 😃 Who would have thought gun toters would act stupidly _en masse_? That whole groups of them fired up with emotion wouldn’t think their way through this? That they wouldn’t know the first thing about being armed as a group? That they wouldn’t “violate the principle of staying out of trouble while armed”? Makes you wonder how anyone could think these fucktards should have guns in the first place, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6062 "2015-10-09T17:01:21Z")
That’s why militias need to be well-regulated. Otherwise you just have a bunch of trigger-happy yahoos yelling about liberty. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6063 "2015-10-09T17:13:07Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > Makes you wonder how anyone could think these fucktards should have guns in the first place, doesn’t it? Because those fucktards are legal adults, and if they do something criminally stupid they’re presumed to have moral and legal responsibility for their actions. It’s like saying some people shouldn’t be allowed to have children- arguably true but a horrible, horrible thing if it were ever put into practice. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That’s why militias need to be well-regulated. Otherwise you just have a bunch of trigger-happy yahoos yelling about liberty. If you can come up with a plan to do so that doesn’t involve telling people they need the government’s gracious permission to have a gun, I’d like to hear it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6064 "2015-10-09T17:27:03Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Your service pistol? You’re saying you were in the service, you used a pistol, and they let you keep the pistol afterwards? No, I bought it when I was a Security Guard for the State of CA. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6065 "2015-10-09T17:27:51Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > If you can come up with a plan to do so that doesn’t involve telling people they need the government’s gracious permission to have a gun, I’d like to hear it. It’s called “democracy”. Look into it sometime. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6066 "2015-10-09T17:34:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s called “democracy”. Look into it sometime. Yep, and the Bill of Rights, which protects Democracy and is a integral part of Democracy in America, guarantees the right to own a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6067 "2015-10-09T17:37:18Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s called “democracy”. Look into it sometime. I have. Mentioned was something called “the tyranny of the majority”, which is why the more important an issue is, the greater and more permanent a supermajority is required to enact or change it. Or in other words, a working definition of the term “rights” is “something that 50.1% of the population can’t vote to take away from the other 49.9%”. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6068 "2015-10-09T17:37:36Z")
As part of participation in a military force, there being no standing army at the time. It’s all right there, in one sentence. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6069 "2015-10-09T17:38:49Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I have. Mentioned was something called “the tyranny of the majority”, which is why the more important an issue is, the greater and more permanent a supermajority is required to enact or change it. Or in other words, a working definition of the term “rights” is “something that 50.5% of the population can’t vote to take away from the other 49.5%”. Or, the way \*you \*mean it, if your arguments have lost and the majority is against you, it’s time to lock and load and impose your will. Or just fantasize about it, which in your case is what I suspect is all that happens - if you’d had the guts to go join the Cliven Bundy Brigade, you would have posted here about it, for instance. No, you _don’t_ know what democracy is, or citizenship either. You do have a working knowledge of fascism and terrorism, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6070 "2015-10-09T17:39:49Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, I bought it when I was a Security Guard for the State of CA. You single-handedly guarded California?:eek: ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6071 "2015-10-09T17:47:04Z")
Not even one elephant stampede occurred on his watch. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6072 "2015-10-09T18:02:34Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > You single-handedly guarded California?:eek: WtF? 😕 No, The State (used to?) hire several thousand Security guards to guard various State properties. At that time, the status was semi-law enforcement, but only while on duty and only while on the property. That was back when I was in College. Which was so long ago I did have to protect against Mammoth and Smilodon incursions, tho. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6073 "2015-10-09T18:09:24Z")
While the name\*\* DrDeth\*\* was familiar, I had no specific recollection of his politics, or whether I liked his posts or not, or whether he was a “gun nut.” It may be due to some compulsion or even autistic tendencies, but I just like numbers to be fairly stated, and am almost more likely to snap at faulty application of statistics or misinterpreted numbers, than I am at dumb ideas! > [@DrDeth](#): > > [1] Well, then how are you saying handguns are ‘type not stated’ _since there is a column for handguns?_ > [2] And do note the last figure of \*\* 5,782\*\* with is indeed “about 5000”, my original figure. It’s odd that you did paste the table, _but were too stupid to even understand the above table._ > > [3] Oddly, I am not a “gun nut” owning nothing but my Service pistol and a old .22. (1) I know little about guns. I’ve heard of types called “revolver”, “shotgun”, etc. Are you asserting that there is a specific type called “Type Not Stated”? If not, your comment makes zero sense. Again, you don’t seem to have grasped that the breakout includes “Other guns” separate from “Type not stated.” (2) Deaths due to “Firearm, type not stated” increased in 2013, about making up for the drop of “handguns.” I think that’s the difference … unless there really is, as you seem to think, a type of gun popular in murders best described as “Type not stated.” (3) Perhaps “gun nut” wasn’t the best term. I’ve no problem with gun hobbyists or gun collectors. My problem is with gun freaks who oppose legitimate efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, lunatics, children; who believe a horrendous death toll is a price we should be happy to pay for our God-given right to a gun; who vote for idiot politicians based on this one issue; who glamorize Clive Bundy and cowardly cops; who endorse idiocies (like Ben Carson’s recent absurdities); etc. As I say, I’ve not studied **DrDeth** ’s posts and don’t really know if he’s one of the Second Amendment idiots. But his belief that having only two guns means he’s not a “gun nut” sure suggests he’s some kind of idiot. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6074 "2015-10-09T18:21:09Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > But his belief that having only two guns means he’s not a “gun nut” sure suggests he’s some kind of idiot. He only has two hands, doesn’t he? More than two guns would be a waste of money. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6075 "2015-10-09T18:24:45Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > (1) I know little about guns. I’ve heard of types called “revolver”, “shotgun”, etc. Are you asserting that there is a specific type called “Type Not Stated”? If not, your comment makes zero sense. Again, you don’t seem to have grasped that the breakout includes “Other guns” separate from “Type not stated.” > > (2) Deaths due to “Firearm, type not stated” increased in 2013, about making up for the drop of “handguns.” I think that’s the difference … unless there really is, as you seem to think, a type of gun popular in murders best described as “Type not stated.” > > (3) Perhaps “gun nut” wasn’t the best term. I’ve no problem with gun hobbyists or gun collectors. My problem is with gun freaks who oppose legitimate efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, lunatics, children; who believe a horrendous death toll is a price we should be happy to pay for our God-given right to a gun; who vote for idiot politicians based on this one issue; who glamorize Clive Bundy and cowardly cops; who endorse idiocies (like Ben Carson’s recent absurdities); etc. > > As I say, I’ve not studied **DrDeth** ’s posts and don’t really know if he’s one of the Second Amendment idiots. But his belief that having only two guns means he’s not a “gun nut” sure suggests he’s some kind of idiot. I dunno, I’d guess that means the FBI simply doesn’t have enuf info to categorize them or that it’s some other category like a zipgun. Why not ask them? In any case they do have a category “Handguns”, no? And thus we’re discussing handguns, yes? So, altho I admit i am not what the FBI classes as “Firearm, type not stated”, they aren’t handguns. Otherwise, they’d be classified as …handguns. I dont get what you are getting at about “Firearm, type not stated”. 😕 I accept the interpretation of the **US Supreme Court** on Gun rights. Does that make me a “gun nut”? Does that make five Justices of SCOTUS “gun nuts”? I have no issue with background checks, etc. I do say that altho we have no “God-given right to a gun” we _do_ have a \*\* Bill of Rights\*\* right to a gun- which to me is much better. Since I almost always vote Dem (I am more of a small L libertarian) , I would hardly be one of those that _"who vote for idiot politicians based on this one issue_". Clive Bundy is a idiot and a low level criminal who should be forced to pay for what he is stealing. I have no words to say what I think of Ben Carson. _Restrictive_ Gun Control Laws simply don’t work. They often violate the Constitution. Thus, they are a bad idea. \* “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety\*.” Ben Franklin. Does it make you feel more of a man to insult people? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6076 "2015-10-09T18:58:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Does it make you feel more of a man to insult people? Works for me, especially if I say the insult while conducting a symphony orchestra with my erect, throbbing member. Seriously, give it a try. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6077 "2015-10-09T18:59:48Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Works for me, especially if I say the insult while conducting a symphony orchestra with my erect, throbbing member. > > Seriously, give it a try. Not even the Violas can see _that_… _pianissimo_ eh? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6078 "2015-10-09T19:00:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > _Restrictive_ Gun Control Laws simply don’t work. Except for everywhere else. > [@](#): > > “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety\*.” Ben Franklin. It must be a source of great pride to live in the only free nation on Earth. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6079 "2015-10-09T19:02:50Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Except for everywhere else. > > It must be a source of great pride to live in the only free nation on Earth. Everywhere else isn’t the United States. Many nations dont think total Freedom of Speech or the Press or Religion “work” either. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6080 "2015-10-09T19:04:16Z")
Today, President Obama is meeting privately with the families of the victims of the shooting at Umpqua Community College. Naturally, then, a group of armed protesters has gathered to oppose the visit. Via [TPM](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-roseburg-shooting-armed-protesters) > [@](#): > > Gun-toting protesters gathered on Friday morning to await President Obama’s arrival in Roseburg, Ore., where he planned to meet with the families of victims of last week’s mass shooting at Umpqua Community College. > > But local residents planned to protest Obama’s visit, saying he rushed to “politicize” the tragedy by pushing a gun control agenda. > > \ > > A Facebook event page for a protest dubbed “Defend Roseburg - Deny barack 0bama” [sic], had garnered more than 8,000 RVSPs by Friday. In its lengthy event description, organizers suggested attendees carry a handgun as opposed to a rifle, but reiterated “you have the right to carry what you wish.” > > “Polarizing as usual, Mr 0bama [sic] has insisted on politicizing the event as a conduit for increased executive orders on gun control via means of his pen, and his phone,” the description continued. Using a zero instead of an O in Obama’s name is how you know they’re serious people. And a _private_ meeting with the victims is “politicizing” the shooting and being “polarizing”, but _showing up with fucking guns_ to protest is somehow not politicizing or polarizing. Read the article and take a look at the photos for all the “go back to Kenya” stuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=303) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=305)