# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 305
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6081 "2015-10-09T19:06:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Everywhere else isn’t the United States. Yes, we’re somehow just totally _different_, right? :rolleyes: If you can explain how, you’d be the first. Ever. > [@](#): > > Many nations dont think total Freedom of Speech or the Press or Religion “work” either. Know what? We don’t have that here, either. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6082 "2015-10-09T19:12:56Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Using a zero instead of an O in Obama’s name is how you know they’re serious people. It’s a change from “O’Bummer”, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6083 "2015-10-09T19:53:55Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Or, the way \*you \*mean it, if your arguments have lost and the majority is against you, it’s time to lock and load and impose your will. Or just fantasize about it, which in your case is what I suspect is all that happens - if you’d had the guts to go join the Cliven Bundy Brigade, you would have posted here about it, for instance. > > No, you _don’t_ know what democracy is, or citizenship either. You do have a working knowledge of fascism and terrorism, obviously. 😕 Folks, did **ElvisL1ves** ’s response have _anything_ to do with what I said? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6084 "2015-10-09T19:56:56Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > 😕 Folks, did **ElvisL1ves** ’s response have _anything_ to do with what I said? Nope. I _think_ that he’s saying because you support the Bill of Rights, that makes you a fascist and terrorist, _obviously._ But all the spittle, shoe-pounding, screaming and drool makes it hard to understand the tirades. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6085 "2015-10-09T20:01:33Z")
You really don’t get that being in the minority does not make the majority “tyrannical”, or call for you to grab your shootin’ iron and show 'em what Freedom means? Because that’s what you’re telling us is your understanding of democracy. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6086 "2015-10-09T20:09:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You really don’t get that being in the minority does not make the majority “tyrannical”, or call for you to grab your shootin’ iron and show 'em what Freedom means? Because that’s what you’re telling us is your understanding of democracy. First of all, prove he’s in the minority. Depending on what question is asked, how it’s asked and to whom it is asked, the % go all over the place. Next of all the Founding Fathers very intelligently made it vote of\* The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, … shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, \* Thus avoiding the "tyranny of the majority " and constant swings in popular opinion. IMHO the Founding Fathers got it right. Damn me for a gun-nut, a fascist, and a terrorist, \*\*but I support the Constitution of the United States of America. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6087 "2015-10-09T20:16:27Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > First of all, prove he’s in the minority. Point is, he wouldn’t accept it if he was. He’d go straight to the “tyranny” nonsense, because it’s all he understands. His concept of government is not We the People, but of some oppressive alien presence imposed on us. > [@](#): > > Damn me for a gun-nut, a fascist, and a terrorist, \*\*but I support the Constitution of the United States of America. \*\* Including the part that explains what the Second Amendment is _intended for_? No, you do not. But then, you aren’t even at the point of understanding that every right is limited, so, well, let us know when you grow up. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6088 "2015-10-09T20:21:35Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Point is, he wouldn’t accept it if he was. He’d go straight to the “tyranny” nonsense, because it’s all he understands. His concept of government is not We the People, but of some oppressive alien presence imposed on us. > > Including the part that explains what the Second Amendment is _intended for_? No, you do not. But then, you aren’t even at the point of understanding that every right is limited, so, well, let us know when you grow up. So, you got _nuthin_, then? :dubious: Well the fucking \*\*Supreme Court of the United States \*\*disagrees with you. :rolleyes: Damn them for being gun-nuts, fascists, and terrorists, and ignoring your views- the views of the most expert legal expert evar. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6089 "2015-10-09T20:25:03Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > So, you got _nuthin_, then? :dubious: Nothing you’re willing to consider, conflicting as it does with your fetishism. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6090 "2015-10-09T20:30:22Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Nothing you’re willing to consider, conflicting as it does with your fetishism. Damn me for a gun-nut, a fascist, and a terrorist… _and a fetishist_, then- but \*\*I \*\*still support the **Constitution of the United States of America.** I kinda like being on the same side as a majority of the the fucking **Supreme Court of the United States .** ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6091 "2015-10-09T21:16:36Z")
Responsible, law abiding gun owner [shoots two, kills one at Texas Southern University.](http://abc13.com/news/texas-southern-university-shooting-1-dead-campus-on-lockdown-classes-canceled/1025113/) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6092 "2015-10-09T21:19:00Z")
Carson missed “the next one”, so he can go to this one instead. Or the next one after this. Or … ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6093 "2015-10-09T21:24:35Z")
So where was that shit head, “Good Guy With A Gun” ? ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6094 "2015-10-09T21:42:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Damn me for a gun-nut, a fascist, and a terrorist… _and a fetishist_, then- but \*\*I \*\*still support the **Constitution of the United States of America.** I kinda like being on the same side as a majority of the the fucking **Supreme Court of the United States .** In my experience the person making shouty appeals to authority is the one who doesn’t have an actual argument. And if you’re referring to the Heller decision, you might want to actually read it sometime. It supports **ElvisL1ves** view. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6095 "2015-10-09T21:50:50Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > In my experience the person making shouty appeals to authority is the one who doesn’t have an actual argument. And if you’re referring to the Heller decision, you might want to actually read it sometime. It supports **ElvisL1ves** view. Actually people who call anyone who disagrees with them _gun-nuts, fascists, terrorists, and fetishists_ are the ones who have no argument. My argument is backed by the Bill of Rights and the Supreme Court of the United States. No better authority is there. I have. No, it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6096 "2015-10-09T22:42:22Z")
Two school shootings in one day! _Go **USA**! Go **USA**!_ ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6097 "2015-10-10T14:49:38Z")
Both of the Friday shootings involving college students seem to have been cases of escalated altercation or regular street violence, not “active campus shooter” atacks. And the Texas one was not even on campus properly but the area did have a bit of a history of violent crime. Initial [reports on the Northern Arizona U incident](http://azdailysun.com/news/local/prosecutor-jones-retrieved-gun-from-car-victims-unarmed/article_72f681bc-8848-5c9b-a6db-82a16da5ddd3.html) seem to speak to an attitude that when faced with being on the losing side of a common streetfight, you don’t get the hell outta there, you go get your gun. Probably thinking that this will make\* the others\* stand down and run or surrender, forgetting that you don’t draw unless prepared for the ultimate consequences. However it is a bit of an odd thing for me that NAU does not allow carrying your gun in their facilities or keeping it in the dorms but you can keep it in the car in the parking lot. So it’s only\* sort of \*gun free? And if someone steals your car or breaks in to rob your goods, hey, free gun! ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6098 "2015-10-10T19:25:44Z")
[Man goes shootin’ for an intruder … shoots wife instead.](http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Man-on-far-North-Side-mistakes-wife-for-intruder-6563251.php#photo-8636447) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6099 "2015-10-10T19:32:28Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > [Man goes shootin’ for an intruder … shoots wife instead.](http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Man-on-far-North-Side-mistakes-wife-for-intruder-6563251.php#photo-8636447) Maybe she was a bad wife, with no gun. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6100 "2015-10-12T16:01:26Z")
[And, in Texas:](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/dallas-cowboys-fans-urge-gunman-to-shoot-helpless-man-in-the-head-during-tailgating-brawl-and-he-does/) > [@](#): > > The man who shot another man in the head after a Dallas Cowboys football game was reportedly egged on by the crowd of people watching the fight. > … > Witnesses reported that the two men got into an argument, which escalated to a fistfight. Then, as the gunman held his weapon to the head of the victim, the crowd urged him to shoot, which he did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=304) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=306)