# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 309
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6161 "2015-10-16T10:27:36Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Here you go. Two examples of good guys with guns. Each of them eliminated a dangerous troublemaker. > > [http://bigstory.ap.org/article/12ea1d7d065a40e9bff01322fe722259/2-men-argue-shoot-each-other-nc-street-both-die](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/12ea1d7d065a40e9bff01322fe722259/2-men-argue-shoot-each-other-nc-street-both-die) “An armed society is a polite society.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6162 "2015-10-16T15:24:55Z")
Michael Che on SNL: “The Constitution is a lot like our grandfather: He’s wise, we love him and he means well, but he’s getting really, really old. And every once in a while, he says something crazy, and we gotta go to the other room and discuss what we gon’ do about it.” ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6163 "2015-10-16T15:32:33Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Here you go. Two examples of good guys with guns. Each of them eliminated a dangerous troublemaker. > > [http://bigstory.ap.org/article/12ea1d7d065a40e9bff01322fe722259/2-men-argue-shoot-each-other-nc-street-both-die](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/12ea1d7d065a40e9bff01322fe722259/2-men-argue-shoot-each-other-nc-street-both-die) > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > “An armed society is a polite society.” Snark aside, I can’t be too upset about this. Too many people don’t realize that the ancient instincts about what to do when faced with anger and confrontation don’t apply when guns are involved. An armed society _needs_ to be a polite society; I’d chalk this up to the Darwinian selection still ongoing since the invention of repeating arms about 150 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6164 "2015-10-16T15:39:23Z")
I manage to be polite, and to be treated politely, with no guns. If guns do cause politeness, it’s an artificial and insincere kind based on fear rather than goodwill. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6165 "2015-10-16T15:40:45Z")
Well said. Big difference between manners and stark terror. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6166 "2015-10-16T15:55:50Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Here you go. Two examples of good guys with guns. Each of them eliminated a dangerous troublemaker. > > [http://bigstory.ap.org/article/12ea1d7d065a40e9bff01322fe722259/2-men-argue-shoot-each-other-nc-street-both-die](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/12ea1d7d065a40e9bff01322fe722259/2-men-argue-shoot-each-other-nc-street-both-die) This can be logged as **TWO** successful instances of defensive gun use. Win - win! ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6167 "2015-10-16T18:01:14Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This can be logged as **TWO** successful instances of defensive gun use. > > Win - win! I’m not sure it can be called a successful _defensive_ gun use. You haven’t defended yourself if you die. But each of them sacrificed their lives in order to take out a dangerous person, so they are heroes. Actually, each of them was involved in the elimination of _two_ dangerous people, so they’re even more heroic! ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6168 "2015-10-16T20:35:39Z")
This seems to me to be a natural result of stand your ground. If your armed and so is your antagonist, and you suspect your antagonist is crazy enough to shoot you then he is a threat and you are justified in shooting him first. Meanwhile this thinking means that you are a threat to him and so he is justified in shooting you. In fact you can go all meta and say that the fact that you think that he thinks that you think that he thinks that you are going to shoot him, means that you should shoot him. Everyone better start practicing their quick draw skills. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6169 "2015-10-16T21:03:27Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > This seems to me to be a natural result of stand your ground. > … In fact you can go all meta and say that the fact that you think that he thinks that you think that he thinks that you are going to shoot him, means that you should shoot him. > > Everyone better start practicing their quick draw skills. This reminds me of [the Blue Eyes puzzle](http://www.xkcd.com/blue_eyes.html) which was recently discussed in the Game Room. “In a village in America (it has to tbe America for the puzzle to work) all fifty people have guns. An outsider appears amd announces ‘One of you is thinking of shooting somebody.’ Fifty mornings later all the villagers go to the OK corral and massacre each other.” … And all the corpses are acquitted. Self defense! Second Amendment!! Yay, America!!! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6170 "2015-10-16T21:07:27Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > … I’d chalk this up to the Darwinian selection still ongoing since the invention of repeating arms about 150 years ago. So now the argumet for guns is that it helps evolution? :rolleyes: Especially amusing since many or most gun owners think that God created the world 6000 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6171 "2015-10-16T23:52:00Z")
I suppose one could say this was gun stupid multiplied by Facebook stupid multiplied by selfie stupid. Stupid cubed. [Oscar Otero](http://mom.me/entertainment/23675-deadly-selfies/item/oscar-otero/) Playing with guns while drinking isn’t safe at any age. Oscar Otero, 21, pointed a .45-caliber pistol for a selfie he later planned to post on Facebook. He accidentally pulled the trigger and was pronounced dead at the scene. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6172 "2015-10-19T02:37:35Z")
A Kansan, to celebrate the state’s changed concealed carry law, [shoots himelf in the leg.](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/oh-my-god-i-just-shot-myself-newly-licensed-concealed-carrier-shoots-leg-in-kansas-theater/) Speaking of concealed carry, over in the Mundane and Pointless forum someone proudly recounts a day when he carried concealed, and no one ever knew! Does anyone have a clue what he’s talking about? Does he think objections to concealed carry are that the concealment will fail? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6173 "2015-10-19T02:45:52Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Speaking of concealed carry, over in the Mundane and Pointless forum someone proudly recounts a day when he carried concealed, and no one ever knew! Does anyone have a clue what he’s talking about? Does he think objections to concealed carry are that the concealment will fail? :smack: You don’t know how many of the people you’ve passed by were carrying concealed, because none of them shot you. Feel better now? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6174 "2015-10-19T08:34:18Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > This seems to me to be a natural result of stand your ground. > > If your armed and so is your antagonist, and you suspect your antagonist is crazy enough to shoot you then he is a threat and you are justified in shooting him first. > > Meanwhile this thinking means that you are a threat to him and so he is justified in shooting you. > > In fact you can go all meta and say that the fact that you think that he thinks that you think that he thinks that you are going to shoot him, means that you should shoot him. > > Everyone better start practicing their quick draw skills. [Better safe than sorry.](http://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/tmw2014-05-21colorlarge.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6175 "2015-10-19T09:19:52Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > You don’t know how many of the people you’ve passed by were carrying concealed, because none of them shot you. Feel better now? 😛 I’m sure there’s something very cutesy about your snark, but it still leaves me baffled. What was the Mundane thread about? Why do gun lovers think gun haters object to concealed carry? (i.e., what is the gun haters’ reason?) For that matter, _do_ gun haters object especially to concealed carry? Do gun lovers think they do? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6176 "2015-10-19T09:46:04Z")
Father charged with felony child endangerment when three-year-old is [shot and killed by his six-year-old brother:](http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/us/chicago-boy-accidentally-shoots-brother/index.html) > [@](#): > Now that we know that it is not unconstitutional to charge gun owners with a crime when their guns are misused, we can expand it to hold other gun owners liable whenever they fail to maintain control over the use of their guns. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6177 "2015-10-19T13:10:26Z")
[VICE: How Scared Should I Be of Getting Shot?](http://www.vice.com/read/how-scared-should-i-be-of-getting-shot-593) Lots of statistics in that article, including: > [@](#): > > In 2013, the most recent year for which government data is available, 33,636 people were killed by guns—roughly 92 people each day ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6178 "2015-10-19T13:56:49Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [VICE: How Scared Should I Be of Getting Shot?](http://www.vice.com/read/how-scared-should-i-be-of-getting-shot-593) > > Lots of statistics in that article, including: Although again, even though the rates are broken down by demographic group, they still presume that the distribution of gun deaths within groups is random, which is almost certainly not the case. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6179 "2015-10-19T15:00:44Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Father charged with felony child endangerment when three-year-old is [shot and killed by his six-year-old brother:](http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/us/chicago-boy-accidentally-shoots-brother/index.html)Now that we know that it is not unconstitutional to charge gun owners with a crime when their guns are misused, we can expand it to hold other gun owners liable whenever they fail to maintain control over the use of their guns. From another source, I learned that THE FATHER ACTUALLY TOLD THE SON WHERE THE GUN WAS. So of course the six year old would get the gun at the first opportunity. Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6180 "2015-10-19T16:20:16Z")
_Please_ answer my questions, **Lumpy** (and others). I really am baffled. > [@septimus](#): > > What was the Mundane thread about? Why do gun lovers think gun haters object to concealed carry? (i.e., what is the gun haters’ reason?) > For that matter, _do_ gun haters object especially to concealed carry? Do gun lovers think they do? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=308) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=310)