# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 310
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6181 "2015-10-19T17:24:51Z")
I am still a tiny bit uncertain what exactly “_bear arms_” is supposed to mean. [This story is a few months old](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI--wFfipvA), but it puts a whole nother disturbing wrinkle into 2A rights. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6182 "2015-10-19T19:14:22Z")
In Tombstone, Arizona they did a Wild West gunfight reenactment–and one of the actor used a gun loaded with real bullets–and wounded another actor: > **[Actor Shot During Tombstone, Arizona, 'Old West' Gunfight Re-enactment](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/actor-shot-during-tombstone-arizona-old-west-gunfight-re-enactment-n447206)** > > Investigators determined actor Tom Carter had shot five of six rounds loaded in his gun, which was supposed to be shooting blanks. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6183 "2015-10-19T21:29:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Speaking of concealed carry, over in the Mundane and Pointless forum someone proudly recounts a day when he carried concealed… He got through the day without shooting himself. That must be a matter of pride for gun owners. > [@septimus](#): > > …and no one ever knew! Does anyone have a clue what he’s talking about? Does he think objections to concealed carry are that the concealment will fail? :smack: It’s the same as if he’d worn women’s underwear. As long as no one knows he’s wearing a bra and panties, or that he needs a gun to feel like a man, his dirty little secret is safe. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6184 "2015-10-19T21:31:10Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > In Tombstone, Arizona they did a Wild West gunfight reenactment–and one of the actor used a gun loaded with real bullets–and wounded another actor: > [Actor Shot During Tombstone, Arizona, 'Old West' Gunfight Re-enactment](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/actor-shot-during-tombstone-arizona-old-west-gunfight-re-enactment-n447206) The only thing that stops a bad actor with a gun is a good actor with a gun. Technical question: Isn’t there less recoil, if any, when shooting blanks? Wouldn’t the shooter have felt he was firing bullets after the first shot? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6185 "2015-10-19T22:09:56Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Speaking of concealed carry, over in the Mundane and Pointless forum someone proudly recounts a day when he carried concealed, and no one ever knew! Does anyone have a clue what he’s talking about? Does he think objections to concealed carry are that the concealment will fail? :smack: > [@Lumpy](#): > > You don’t know how many of the people you’ve passed by were carrying concealed, because none of them shot you. Feel better now? 😛 > [@septimus](#): > > I’m sure there’s something very cutesy about your snark, but it still leaves me baffled. > > What was the Mundane thread about? Why do gun lovers think gun haters object to concealed carry? (i.e., what is the gun haters’ reason?) For that matter, _do_ gun haters object especially to concealed carry? Do gun lovers think they do? Perhaps I misunderstood you; I took your post to mean that anti-gunners object to carry at all, not just open carry. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6186 "2015-10-20T04:43:47Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > The only thing that stops a bad actor with a gun is a good actor with a gun. > > Technical question: Isn’t there less recoil, if any, when shooting blanks? Wouldn’t the shooter have felt he was firing bullets after the first shot? Maybe he had no experience with guns and didn’t know what it should feel like, or maybe he had experience with guns but no experience with blanks. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6187 "2015-10-20T16:27:16Z")
Possibly, but I think the physics of shooting blanks vs. bullets, if there’s a difference, still merits some interest in this story. If I was an LEO on the case I’d want to know. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6188 "2015-10-20T18:32:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > No, the gun control side says that the upside is FAR outweighed by the downside. Consider: > > [People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/) OK. so what IS the upside to the private ownership of guns? I think the gun rights side has agreed (on multiple occasions) that deaths due to accidental and negligent discharge is clearly a downside to private gun ownership. Which of the benefits of gun ownership (if any) do you think exist? because as far as I can tell, the reason you think the downside FAR outweighs the upside is because you haven’t really identified any upside. You haven’t been willing to concede that the primary benefits of private gun ownership (as seen by the gun rights side) even exist. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6189 "2015-10-20T18:37:23Z")
Why are you asking \*him \*to identify the upside of widespread gun ownership when you can’t do it yourself? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6190 "2015-10-20T18:38:24Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > Possibly, but I think the physics of shooting blanks vs. bullets, if there’s a difference, still merits some interest in this story. If I was an LEO on the case I’d want to know. I’d \*rather \*know why there was a real bullet in the gun. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6191 "2015-10-20T18:39:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So far in 2015, 43 cases of a toddler getting ahold of a gun and shooting either someone else or themselves. > > It would be impossible to know, but how may cases are there, I wonder, of toddlers getting ahold of a gun and _missing_? Or toddlers getting ahold of a gun and luckily being stopped _before_ they shoot themselves or others? > > I would have to think the numbers must be up there. > > This is one reason why ownership of guns should come with some kind of responsibility, like mandatory training and/or mandatory safe storage requirements. We should not just think that handguns are fine to be scattered about homes, owned by people with no bloody common sense. Bad parenting is bad parenting. There is a shitload of things from rat poison to razor blades and guns that a responsible parent would make sure their toddlers don’t have access to. I agree leaving loaded guns around the house with toddlers present borders on child endangerment but toddlers are fragile enough that just having stairs that are not child-proofed can kill toddlers. These are just bad parents and they should have their children taken away from them until they can prove they can be good parents. If you want a law that says that parents need to take a class and pass a test before they can be parents, that they need to baby-proof their home and basically go through everything an adoptive parent has to go through before becoming a parent (including gun safety instruction), I would agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6192 "2015-10-20T18:44:02Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > So now the argumet for guns is that it helps evolution? :rolleyes: Especially amusing since many or most gun owners think that God created the world 6000 years ago. cite? This may coincidentally be the case but one does not lead to the other. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6193 "2015-10-20T18:57:50Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Father charged with felony child endangerment when three-year-old is [shot and killed by his six-year-old brother:](http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/us/chicago-boy-accidentally-shoots-brother/index.html)Now that we know that it is not unconstitutional to charge gun owners with a crime when their guns are misused, we can expand it to hold other gun owners liable whenever they fail to maintain control over the use of their guns. Stupidest gun control idea ever. But good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6194 "2015-10-20T19:05:58Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I am still a tiny bit uncertain what exactly “_bear arms_” is supposed to mean. [This story is a few months old](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI--wFfipvA), but it puts a whole nother disturbing wrinkle into 2A rights. How about a summary rather than merely a link to a video? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6195 "2015-10-20T19:13:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Why are you asking \*him \*to identify the upside of widespread gun ownership when you can’t do it yourself? Because I think I understand every argument and reason why gun control folks dislike guns. Both the rational reasons and the irrational ones. I don’t think you know or even care to know what the arguments are for gun ownership. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6196 "2015-10-20T19:15:14Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Stupidest gun control idea ever. But good luck with that. What you don’t realize is, there is going to be new gun regulation of some kind. You can either participate and influence the outcome, or you can continue your unrealistic fantasy that nothing is going to change. That is very shortsighted, because you risk getting new regulations that are stronger than if you made reasonable proposals of your own, and work with the growing constituency that is demanding tighter background checks. The status quo is not an option. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6197 "2015-10-20T19:24:12Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Because I think I understand every argument and reason why gun control folks dislike guns. Both the rational reasons and the irrationalones. You show exactly zero signs of having such understanding. > [@](#): > > I don’t think you know or even care to know what the arguments are for gun ownership. How about a quick summary, then? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6198 "2015-10-20T20:29:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Why are you asking \*him \*to identify the upside of widespread gun ownership when you can’t do it yourself? Because we’re waiting to hear it out of an anti-gunner’s mouth: that they at least _comprehend_, even if they don’t agree with it, why some people believe gun ownership is a positive thing. At least something beyond “you’re insane!”, which seems to be the limit of your understanding. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6199 "2015-10-20T20:31:11Z")
What have you offered for anyone to “comprehend”? Besides some absurd porn about Resisting Tyranny, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6200 "2015-10-20T20:32:47Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Because we’re waiting to hear it out of an anti-gunner’s mouth: that they at least _comprehend_, even if they don’t agree with it, why some people believe gun ownership is a positive thing. At least something beyond “you’re insane!”, which seems to be the limit of your understanding. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What have you offered for anyone to “comprehend”? I rest my case. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=309) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=311)