# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 318
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6341 "2015-10-29T13:09:35Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Before the federal government had armies of law enforcement agents, calling out the militia was the only recourse to enforce the law. And now it isn’t. So why act as if it is? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6342 "2015-10-29T16:49:02Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’s probably going to overpower you, or at least get the jump on you, take your gun, and use it against you. And on somebody else later. Right because rapes are inevitable so you might as well just submit and enjoy it. After all you can’t even get pregnant from rapes. The body has mechanisms to prevent that. Right? > [@](#): > > They’ll likely be armed, prepared for you, and be able to get off a fatal shot while you’re still looking for your own gun. Yeah, you’re better off just dying without putting up a fight.:rolleyes: And if you can get to your gun, there is a good chance that you will fire before the intruder. Try playing hide and seek and see if the hider sees the seeker first or if the seeker sees the hider first. When an intruder enters the room, you are pretty sure they are coming through the door. The intruder has no idea what the room looks like or where in the room you will be. > [@](#): > > Call up the well-regulated militia (and don’t pretend you’re one of them, or well-regulated anyway). Or the police, who are far better armed and organized and trained than \*you \*are. See LA riots. > [@](#): > > Look, nobody ever said there are never any circumstances where it could help you. Only that there are far more where it hurts you. It would serve you well to quit imagining what you’re being told and pay attention to it instead. And you have not established to any degree of that owning a gun hurts you more than it helps you. All I have seen is correlation between people who own guns and people who get murdered. there is an even greater correlation between people who are single and people who get murdered; people who rent their home and people who get murdered; people who do drugs and people who get murdered; etc. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6343 "2015-10-29T16:54:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are burglars, rapists, and rioters really more plausible than kids coming back late from a party? Where the fuck do you live?? There are neighborhoods that are this dangerous in places like Chicago and NYC. Would you support gun ownership in these neighborhoods? When these residents of these neighborhoods try to use this as “good cause” to get a gun license, the response is always “no, mere self defense is not good cause to own a gun” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6344 "2015-10-29T16:58:16Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Austria and Australia are pretty far apart. And you know who ELSE was from Austria? ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6345 "2015-10-29T17:01:33Z")
A [nine-year-old boy](http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/South-Bay-man-shoots-self-in-foot-hits-boy-6595576.php) in San Jose, CA is recovering from surgery after being struck in his bed by a rifle bullet when his upstairs neighbor shot himself in the foot. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6346 "2015-10-29T17:11:45Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Could you give some examples of that? I often hear right wing commentators say that eliminating private gun ownership is the secret goal of the left wing, and Fox News can usually find some hippie somewhere to say anything they want someone to say so they can pretend it’s what all liberals want, but I honestly can’t recall anyone with any real influence saying he wants to ban guns. > > For example, I can easily find sitting Republican Congressmen, governors, or Presidential candidates, who say they want to ban abortion, or gay marriage, or abolish various government agencies, etc. I consider myself fairly current in politics, but I don’t know of any Democratic Congressmen, governors, or Presidential candidates who “have openly stated their goal is to eliminate private gun ownership.” > > So who are you talking about? Politicians cannot admit to wanting to ban guns no matter where their heart lies because the fact of the matter is that it is politically impossible (which is why I am comfortable with things like licensing and registration, it is a politically toxic enough position that almost no one is willing to admit to it). 20% of Democrats own guns, and they’re not all hunters. They own them for all the same reasons that non-Democrats own guns. The folks that can admit to wanting to ban guns are people who aren’t subject to the political process or who are in ultra safe Democratic districts. Anti-gun organizations like the folks at the Violence prevention center at Harvard Private individuals like Elvis and Hentor Commentators like Piers Morgan and Rachel Maddow But, in the end, the fact that politicians cannot safely promote repealing the second amendment or banning all guns tells me that its just not a real threat. Heck, they couldn’t even pass a meaningless fig leaf AKA, the Manchin-Toomey bill after the most horrific US mass shooting in living memory. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6347 "2015-10-29T17:15:56Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Right because rapes are inevitable so you might as well just submit and enjoy it. After all you can’t even get pregnant from rapes. The body has mechanisms to prevent that. Right? :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Yeah, you’re better off just dying without putting up a fight.:rolleyes: You haven’t even tried to understand a single thing you’ve been told, have you? > [@](#): > > And if you can get to your gun, there is a good chance that you will fire before the intruder. Only in your fantasies. Which are extensive. > [@](#): > > See LA riots. You keep saying that like it means something. Well, no, it doesn’t. > [@](#): > > And you have not established to any degree of that owning a gun hurts you more than it helps you. Cites aplenty. Horse, water. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6348 "2015-10-29T17:23:03Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Are you one of those who think gun ownership is a Universal Human Right; that countries like Britain or France that don’t feature gun rights are not True Democracies? > > Look, having millions of bombastic blowhards wandering around armed to the teeth may be either good or bad, and that might be an interesting debate if your ilk were capable of thought, but the question of whether having citizens too cowardly to walk around unarmed should be debated on its own merits; basing your case so firmly and solely on the Second Amerndment makes all y’all gun nuts seem like mindless zombies. If you are boiling down our entire argument to “then second amendment says so” then you haven’t been paying attention. I am merely responding to someone who is being flip about the cornerstone of modern democracy. I don’t think gun ownership is a universal human right. If I did, I wouldn’t bother with making cost/benefit arguments any more than I would with slavery. I think that there is a good argument for private gun ownership in America. > [@](#): > > Yes, that’s precisely the point I’m trying to make in the previous paragraph. So the gun rights side never denies that guns kill people. Heck, legally owned guns kill people by accident and law abiding citizens can turn into murderers. But the gun control side seems to have a lot of trouble admitting that there are a lot of benefits to private gun ownership. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6349 "2015-10-29T17:29:43Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > But the gun control side seems to have a lot of trouble admitting that there are a lot of benefits to private gun ownership. It would help if you could support that claim with facts, not your fantasies and fears. You do realize, I hope, in some far corner of your fear-ravaged, murder-rationalizing brain, that this stuff about overthrowing tyranny is not the product of a fully healthy mind. But that’s at the top of the list, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6350 "2015-10-29T17:30:44Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So gun ownership is necessary to overthrow the government whenever the gun owner thinks it has ceased to represent the people? The type of government that needs overthrowing would probably not be particularly offensive to most of the people that think that we need guns to overthrow the government. Most of the “in defense of tyranny folks” don’t really mind tyranny as long as it is their brand of tyranny. None of these guys were talking about second amendment solutions when they passed the Patriot Act. No, it took the tyranny of Obamacare and universal access to healthcare to make people realize how tyrannical the government had become. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6351 "2015-10-29T17:41:13Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You keep saying that like it means something. Well, no, it doesn’t. The LA riots are just one example of where armed civilians did what cops and the national guard couldn’t do. Because they weren’t there or they didn’t care. During the LA riots, rioters were burning down Koreatown. On the second day of riots, the Korea storeowners armed themselves with guns and the burning stopped. It clear that the guns are the reason the burning stopped in that part of town. Storeowners pleading with rioters and looters were either ignored or beaten and had their livelihood burned to the ground. Storeowners with guns were able to open their stores for business when the national guard moved in and restored peace. So that is at least one example where private ownership of guns was useful and good for society. > [@](#): > > Cites aplenty. Horse, water. And those cites are pretty worthless for the purpose you are using them for. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6352 "2015-10-29T17:42:18Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It would help if you could support that claim with facts, not your fantasies and fears. You do realize, I hope, in some far corner of your fear-ravaged, murder-rationalizing brain, that this stuff about overthrowing tyranny is not the product of a fully healthy mind. But that’s at the top of the list, isn’t it? I don’t think you’re doing a very good job of keeping track of my position. Are we all just blurring into one big internet gun nut to you? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6353 "2015-10-29T17:42:28Z")
Did the uprising of an armed citizenry, against “the tyranny of Obamacare” (uh, wow) already happen and we just missed it? Or is that stuff all somewhere between mere self-gratification and psychotic delusion? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6354 "2015-10-29T17:43:51Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Did the uprising of an armed citizenry already happen and we just missed it? > > Or is that stuff all somewhere between mere self-gratification and psychotic delusion? WTF are you talking about? I promised myself I would stop engaging you because you are incoherent. I’m just going to back away slowly. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6355 "2015-10-29T17:45:35Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The LA riots are just one example of where armed civilians did what cops and the national guard couldn’t do. Because they weren’t there or they didn’t care. When do you expect the next race riots in your town? > [@](#): > > So that is at least one example where private ownership of guns was useful and good for society. But the murders continue apace, in those neighborhoods and elsewhere, _without_ rioting. Why? > [@](#): > > And those cites are pretty worthless for the purpose you are using them for. I’ll take “Rivers in Egypt” for $200, Alex. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6356 "2015-10-29T17:46:40Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > you are incoherent Tell us more about “the tyranny of Obamacare”, please. :rolleyes: Then tell us why you chose to accept that tyranny instead of standing up for what you _claim_ to be your beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6357 "2015-10-29T22:27:15Z")
Don’t know if this rises to the level of “stupid”, but [these two guys](http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/10/2_men_killed_in_tank_explosion.html) managed to blow themselves up with a tank. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6358 "2015-10-31T03:12:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > When do you expect the next race riots in your town? I don’t know. Let me know when racism is over. > [@](#): > > But the murders continue apace, in those neighborhoods and elsewhere, _without_ rioting. Why? Like I said it was an example of the positive uses of guns presented to an audience of gun control folks who might think that guns have no positive benefits. > [@](#): > > I’ll take “Rivers in Egypt” for $200, Alex. Yep, and that is the state of the gun control argument. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6359 "2015-10-31T03:19:44Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Tell us more about “the tyranny of Obamacare”, please. :rolleyes: > > Then tell us why you chose to accept that tyranny instead of standing up for what you _claim_ to be your beliefs. Maybe you should re-read post 6349 to see if I am actually saying obamacare=tyranny or making fun of people who didn’t think the patriot act was tyranny but thought Obamacare was. I am for universal medicare and I think the “in defense of tyranny” argument is pretty stupid. AFAICT, we agree on more positions than we disagree on, except I reach my positions through thinking about the issues independent of what other people on “my side” think about one set of issues think about other issues. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6360 "2015-10-31T06:03:51Z")
Many on both sides of the debate tend to paint with too broad of a brush. I barely have time to follow the Top Five most important political, social or economic controversies of modern America. And gun rights don’t even make the Top Fifty list. I skim this thread just for the recreational outrage: there’s so much stupidity on display. (Part of the stupidity is just thinking that gun rights are a Top Five issue.) Reading **Smapti** is simply more fun than the latest nonsense from Republiopathic candidates like Jeb!, Trump! or even Ben! > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > If you are boiling down our entire argument to “then second amendment says so” then you haven’t been paying attention. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t think you’re doing a very good job of keeping track of my position. Are we all just blurring into one big internet gun nut to you? Your recent posts, **Damuri Ajashi** , suggest that you are intelligent and moderate. I don’t find all internet gun nuts the same: many seem to be cowards, many racists, many hate government, many hate people willing to challenge police. It doesn’t matter to me whether they blur together or not. I call out stupidity when I see it. _And today, I’m calling you out, **Damuri** , for being intelligent and moderate._ 😉 However I mght have to retract that if you repeat _If you are boiling down our entire argument to “then second amendment says so” then you haven’t been paying attention._ In fact a huge HUGE portion of the gun nuts do seem to rely on their precious Second Amendment as the 1st, 2nd _and_ 3rd most important reasons for gun rights – and have only stupid responses to queries about that Amendment. You’re so busy characterizing the anti-gun people, you seem to know very little about your fellow gun nuts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=317) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=319)