# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 324
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6461 "2015-11-10T23:27:27Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > No, the police have actively been cracking down on knife crime. It’s been a decades-long campaign, even before the most recent restrictions on guns. I do not see how your comment relates to mine. To what point does your “No” apply? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6462 "2015-11-11T06:11:01Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Good guy old lady [pulls a gun in a Walmart parking lot](http://www.newschannel5.com/news/local-news/woman-arrested-after-she-said-she-pulled-gun-in-self-defense) and successfully fends off a stranger who threatened her with his blackness, and points the gun at three other bystanders as the violently black perpetrator flees. > > In what I can only assume must be a clerical error, she was arrested. Perhaps in response to this thread, American patriots are increasing the DGU count. Ms. McLain of Tennessee did her duty when she was accosted by a terrorist/rapist/robber at WalMart. > [@](#): > > “It scared me absolutely to death,” said Sherry McLain. She was loading groceries into her car this past Saturday in the crowded Walmart parking lot on Old Fort Parkway in Murfreesboro. > > That’s when a strange man approached, surprising her, and she pulled her revolver. “I have never been so afraid of anything in my whole life I don’t think,” said McLain. “This guy is the bad guy and I’m the one in handcuffs walking away.” The bad guy asked her for a light. Isn’t that just what you’d expect a rapist to do, or a terrorist who wanted to get close enough to strap a bomb around the poor woman’s waist? Ms. McClaim made the strategic decision to withhold fire, for which the bad guy can thank his life. Isn’t “scared to death” the gold standard for defensive measures? Surely she would have been acquitted, on grounds of self-defense, had she emptied her revolver and severed the thusg’s artery. What libtard gun-grabbing philosophy led the police to take this fine woman away in handcuffs? For all we know, the bad guy was in the vanguard of a Kenyan army, who swam across the Rio Grande and were on the verge of taking over America, and Ms. McLain is the heroine who, like Paul Revere, saved us. Yet watch the libtard gun-grabbers show up and try to turn this heroine into the villain. There was one libtard fool right there in the parking lot: > [@](#): > > “Clearly this is a gunowner who doesn’t need to own a gun,” said Keeley Benoit. > > Her 7-year-old son and his grandmother found themselves in McLain’s cross hairs as the man ran past them at the Walmart. > > “When she looked up the gun was being pointed at the three of them and the lady says I’m going to shoot you. I’m going to kill you,” said Benoit. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6463 "2015-11-11T08:49:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I’m not. I’m trying to get you to admit to the most ridiculously conservative number as a starting point to ease you into seeing that the likely numbers are significantly north of the NCVS numbers. OK, found what you’re talking about. Is the takeaway that there about about 50,000 DGUs a year? Sounds a lot more plausible than millions. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6464 "2015-11-11T20:22:32Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > “I haven’t read the article, but I dismiss it out of hand, even though I just repeatedly endorsed the data.” > > You have a totally anti-science orientation. Your pretense otherwise is like old-earth creationists who argue that science proves the Bible. Of course I dismiss Hemenway out of hand as much as you would dismiss an article by Ted Nugent. Hemenway has a demonstrated his willingness to twist data and invite people to reach conclusions that the data does not support. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6465 "2015-11-11T20:37:22Z")
> [@Dave\_Hartwick](#): > > OK, found what you’re talking about. Is the takeaway that there about about 50,000 DGUs a year? Sounds a lot more plausible than millions. I think the blurb would be NCVS using methodology that will only capture a fraction of all DGU comes up with over 100,000/year. The NCVS is a study by the DoJ (and some other poster here is more familiar with how they do the study), it is pretty clear that it is pretty legitimate and that it undercounts the defensive gun use in this country because it only counts defensive gun use by victims of reported crimes. I don’t really know where you get 50,000 from. I don’t think the number is millions. I think the number approaches a million but might be as low as quarter of that. Some fraction of this number prevented death, rape or serious injury (I have no idea what the number is but I highly doubt that the number of rapes (~100,000) and murders (~12,000) in this country would double if people didn’t have guns, but I think the number of deaths prevented by guns could approach or exceed the number of deaths committed by previously law abiding citizens, I think the number of rapes prevented by guns could very well exceed the number of rapes that could only have been committed with the use of a gun. Some larger percentage of this number prevented assault and loss of property. Some studies include defensive gun use that can’t seem to distinguish between “burglar heard me rack my shotgun and got the hell out of there” and “burglar heard me get out of bed and used his psychic ability to ascertain that I was getting my gun and got the hell out of there” And others don’t even seem to bother following up to see if they are just making shit up. Different studies are conducted differently and yield wildly varying results. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6466 "2015-11-12T01:08:49Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Of course I dismiss Hemenway out of hand as much as you would dismiss an article by Ted Nugent. Hemenway has a demonstrated his willingness to twist data and invite people to reach conclusions that the data does not support. One of these two has a PhD and is a full professor at Harvard. The other sang a song about fingering the neighbor girl back in the 1970s You antiscience fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6467 "2015-11-12T21:29:53Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > One of these two has a PhD and is a full professor at Harvard. The other sang a song about fingering the neighbor girl back in the 1970s > > You antiscience fuck. NVM. I just realized you are just pissed off because you are getting your ass handed to you in great debates where you are starting to sound like ElvisLives. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6468 "2015-11-12T22:07:10Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > NVM. I just realized you are just pissed off because you are getting your ass handed to you in great debates where you are starting to sound like ElvisLives. Sure, I can see it would look like that if you were such a brainless fuck you couldn’t tell the difference between Ted Nugent with a researcher. You brainless antiscience fuck. Damuri Ajashi is the guy who can’t respond to someone citing an article until a fellow gunfuck can explain it to him. I guess he should get credit for giving up the pretense - this last time he just admitted he didn’t read the article, he just knows it would be wrong. Damuri, go ask Bone. He seems like he might be smart enough to explain it to you. I’d suspect you’re starting to embarrass him with your stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6469 "2015-11-12T22:22:19Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Sure, I can see it would look like that if you were such a brainless fuck you couldn’t tell the difference between Ted Nugent with a researcher. > > You brainless antiscience fuck. > > Damuri Ajashi is the guy who can’t respond to someone citing an article until a fellow gunfuck can explain it to him. I guess he should get credit for giving up the pretense - this last time he just admitted he didn’t read the article, he just knows it would be wrong. > > Damuri, go ask Bone. He seems like he might be smart enough to explain it to you. I’d suspect you’re starting to embarrass him with your stupidity. You’re pretty sore about getting smacked around in a forum where insults can’t be your primary form of argument. Why is it that the pit is the only place where you seem to be able to maintain your extreme views on gun control? Right now Bone and I are arguing over licensing and registration. Almost noone is taking your position very seriously and the ones who do are revealed to be fairly ignorant pretty quickly. You are just a useful idiot, a tool. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6470 "2015-11-12T22:45:27Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You’re pretty sore about getting smacked around in a forum where insults can’t be your primary form of argument. Why is it that the pit is the only place where you seem to be able to maintain your extreme views on gun control? > > Right now Bone and I are arguing over licensing and registration. Almost noone is taking your position very seriously and the ones who do are revealed to be fairly ignorant pretty quickly. You are just a useful idiot, a tool. That’s the thread where I had one of the gun fucks who is as stupid as you making my points for me! That was the one where you resorted to handwaving the old Kellermann paper away as an opinion piece. Yeah, boy I was sure having a hard time in that debate. You’re too stupid to even evaluate how the discussion is going. You can’t debate the research if you can’t even read it. Go wipe the drool from your chin and practice breathing through your nose. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6471 "2015-11-13T20:56:45Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > That’s the thread where I had one of the gun fucks who is as stupid as you making my points for me! > > That was the one where you resorted to handwaving the old Kellermann paper away as an opinion piece. > > Yeah, boy I was sure having a hard time in that debate. > > You’re too stupid to even evaluate how the discussion is going. You can’t debate the research if you can’t even read it. Go wipe the drool from your chin and practice breathing through your nose. Pfft. Next time you guys fuck yourselves in the ass, use some vaseline, it will hurt less. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6472 "2015-11-14T17:05:55Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Pfft. Next time you guys fuck yourselves in the ass, use some vaseline, it will hurt less. Concern trolling now? Well, I suppose it’s more at the level of your capabilities, so good for you! ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6473 "2015-11-17T01:06:20Z")
[Better get this little gem in here before it winds up in the ever-delicious Positive Gun News Thread](http://www.click2houston.com/news/10yearold-injured-in-shooting-in-northwest-harris-county/36419530) Whattaputz. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6474 "2015-11-19T18:59:42Z")
Here is [an interesting story from Council Idaho](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/11/03/rancher-killed-shootout-bull-police-shooting-idaho/75080680/), about a fortnight old. It might belong in **Controversial Encounters with Law Enforcement** , but it looks to me more like stupid gun news. Summary: • Car hits wandering bull where highway crosses open rangeland • people in car transported to hospital • deputies prepare to deal with agitated critter • more agitated critter arrives, objects that the deputies intend to dispatch his bull to greener pastures • shootout ensues, sending rancher to his reward ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6475 "2015-11-20T22:16:58Z")
This is why current background checks are inadequate, and need to be strengthened. Man banned from owning guns [had 500 firearms:](http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article45405228.html#storylink=cpy) > [@](#): > > State Department of Justice agents seized 209 handguns, 88 shotguns, 234 rifles, 181 standard capacity magazines, 10 high capacity magazines, 100,521 rounds of various ammunition and 10 assault weapons, including a .50 caliber bolt action rifle, from Sheakalee’s home in Clovis. > > Sheakalee is in an Armed & Prohibited Persons System (APPS) database due to a prior mental health hold, which prohibits an individual from possessing firearms, authorities said. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6476 "2015-11-21T01:59:42Z")
But if there just _ **were** _ no guns for people to buy… (:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6477 "2015-11-22T20:45:27Z")
[More of your “law-abiding citizens” exercising their constitutional rights:](http://gawker.com/protesters-toting-shotguns-and-big-daddy-infidel-butt-1744054315) > [@](#): > > Gun- and flag-toting protesters gathered at a mosque in Irving, Texas, on Saturday to protests Islam and helping Syrian refugees, reports The Dallas Morning News. > > One hand-drawn sign read, “Stop the Islamization of America,” and some protesters wore bandanas to cover their faces. One protester was wearing a button with the phrase “Big Daddy Infidel” emblazoned on it. The guns, said protester David Wright, who was holding a 12-gauge shotgun, were necessary to get the message across. > > “They’re mostly for self-defense or protection,” Wright said. “But I’m not going to lie. We do want to show force. … It would be ridiculous to protest Islam without defending ourselves.” Fuck them and anybody with any sympathy for them. The response, you ask? > [@](#): > > The Muslims in the tiny audience declined to share their opinion — instead offering praise for freedom of speech and variations on “no comment.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6478 "2015-11-24T14:38:14Z")
[Five shot at BLM protest in Minneapolis.](http://www.salon.com/2015/11/24/five_people_shot_at_black_lives_matter_protest_in_minneapolis_police/) Apparently by white supremacists. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6479 "2015-11-24T17:20:42Z")
[Three suspects sought by police.](http://www.startribune.com/several-people-were-shot-near-black-lives-matter-protest-site/353121881/) None of the victims was killed. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6480 "2015-11-25T01:34:11Z")
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