# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 328
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6541 "2015-12-03T21:17:42Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > Or, they might say “I’m very sorry about your loss, but there are millions of people who responsibly use and enjoy alcohol safely, and so despite the fact that there are people who abuse it, and the horrible consequences of that abuse, I can’t support restrictions on alcohol consumption beyond those already in place.” They might also point out that at least cars and alcohol are restricted and controlled far more than firearms are…so there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6542 "2015-12-04T02:07:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I know so little about guns. Is that what’s called an assault rifle? Semi-automatic? > > 😕 The TV reporter seemed concerned that the gun might be “in the wrong hands.” 😕 Does “wrong” here mean black? I thought U.S. white men were encouraged or even required to have weapons, to conform with the 2nd Amerdement; what’s this about “wrong hands”? Are the libtards back to trying to ban “assault rifles” again? Buried has, IME, been a fairly mixed neighborhood, all brown, white, black and yellow. Kind of on the cusp between urban and suburban. I am informed that there is or was a section-eight block near that intersection, which means, whatever. Airport is not far from there, so that gun will probably end up being used to hold up liquor stores in a dry county in Texas a few weeks from now. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6543 "2015-12-04T03:59:20Z")
Here is some professional grade stupid about guns from one of our elected representatives [http://www.guns.com/2015/12/03/new-york-lawmaker-calls-for-machine-gun-restrictions-after-san-bernardino-shooting/](http://www.guns.com/2015/12/03/new-york-lawmaker-calls-for-machine-gun-restrictions-after-san-bernardino-shooting/) Here is the comment in all its glory [http://vpstestgunscom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/New-York-lawmaker-calls-for-machine-gun-ban-after-San-Bernadino-shooting.jpg](http://vpstestgunscom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/New-York-lawmaker-calls-for-machine-gun-ban-after-San-Bernadino-shooting.jpg) > [@](#): > > In the United States virtually anyone anytime could purchase a machine gun without a background check Needless to say she edited that sucker real, real quick when it was pointed that he post showed the intelligence level of cauliflower. Did I mention she is on the homeland security committee? Yup industrial grade stupid. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6544 "2015-12-04T04:34:05Z")
[“Fox & Friends”: Prayer is more effective than gun control, and if you disagree with that “you’re lining up with terrorists”](http://www.salon.com/2015/12/03/fox_friends_prayer_is_more_effective_than_gun_control_and_if_you_disagree_with_that_youre_lining_up_with_terrorists/) OK then. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6545 "2015-12-06T02:26:00Z")
Not exactly on topic, but I think most subscribers to this thread will be interested. > **[Want to Make Buying Guns Hard? Make It as Tough as Getting an Abortion](https://www.thedailybeast.com/want-to-make-buying-guns-hard-make-it-as-tough-as-getting-an-abortion)** > > It’s not just an abstract idea. It’s a bill going through the state house in Missouri. Mandatory evaluations. Mandatory talks with local leaders. Mandatory accountability. One state rep wants it to happen—and soon. It’s simple: the Constitution says your right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but it doesn’t say anything about buying them. Of course you have a right to buy them, but the buying process can be regulated. It’s also settled law that you have a right to have an abortion, but again, the process of obtaining one has been severely restricted in many states. So let’s make it fair: make the process of buying a gun similar to the process of obtaining an abortion. You have to be evaluated by a doctor. You have to watch a movie of bad things that happen when you own a gun. You have to wait several days. Maybe a nice anal probe — it may not be medically necessary in most cases, but neither is a mandatory transvaginal ultrasound medically necessary for most women who want an abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6546 "2015-12-06T03:07:06Z")
Nah, I’ll just get one off the black market. Ignoring stupid laws is a time-honored American tradition. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6547 "2015-12-06T15:39:59Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Nah, I’ll just get one off the black market. > > Ignoring stupid laws is a time-honored American tradition. So you’re vowing that you would commit a felony? You seem like someone who should not own firearms. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6548 "2015-12-06T15:53:03Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > So you’re vowing that you would commit a felony? You seem like someone who should not own firearms. As I’ve said before, gun nuts are basically criminals at heart. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6549 "2015-12-06T16:47:31Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > So you’re vowing that you would commit a felony? You seem like someone who should not own firearms. Gee, maybe we should have- I dunno, some kind of “loyalty oath”? And anyone who refuses to swear it gets put in jail? I was (1.) Pointing out the futility of presuming that everyone will fall into lockstep with someone’s clever gun control scheme, and (2.) I was saying I’ll join the legions of scofflaws who were ordinary peaceful citizens until suddenly the government declares us felons. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > As I’ve said before, gun nuts are basically criminals at heart. You mean we don’t worship authority. Are you saying that you’d slavishly obey _ **anything** _ that somehow got squeezed through the legislative process- anything at all? And try telling women in a self-defense support group who’ve bought guns to deter psychotic stalkers or exes that they’re “basically criminals at heart”. I’d like to see that on YouTube. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6550 "2015-12-06T17:10:03Z")
So you’ll stop this pretense of being a “law-abiding citizen” in the future? Or has that always been a lie? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6551 "2015-12-06T18:20:28Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > You mean we don’t worship authority. Are you saying that you’d slavishly obey _ **anything** _ that somehow got squeezed through the legislative process- anything at all? So, law-abiding people are like slaves? People should get to pick and choose which felonies they will avoid commiting and which they will not? Sounds like you oppose prohibiting gun ownership for felons. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6552 "2015-12-06T19:10:44Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Gee, maybe we should have- I dunno, some kind of “loyalty oath”? And anyone who refuses to swear it gets put in jail? No, they just can’t own or use a gun, [just as the founders intended.](http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4021&context=flr) > [@](#): > > In Pennsylvania, if a person “refuse[d] or neglect[ed] to take the oath or affirmation” of allegiance to the state, he was required to deliver up his arms to agents of the state, and he was not permitted to carry any arms about his person or keep any arms or ammunition in his “house or elsewhere.”, 129 Such a broad provision effectively eliminated the opportunity for someone to violently protest the actions of the Pennsylvania government or defend himself with a firearm. It should be underscored that those refusing to take the oath or affirmation were unable to borrow or even use another person’s firearms. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6553 "2015-12-07T01:08:07Z")
I said: > [@Lumpy](#): > > Are you saying that you’d slavishly obey _ **anything** _ that somehow got squeezed through the legislative process- anything at all? You said: > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > So you’ll stop this pretense of being a “law-abiding citizen” in the future? Or has that always been a lie? > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > So, law-abiding people are like slaves? People should get to pick and choose which felonies they will avoid commiting and which they will not? > > Sounds like you oppose prohibiting gun ownership for felons. So what’s your opinion of people who promoted medicinal marijuana before some states legalized it? Or people who shelter illegal aliens? Or women who hide their children from abusive exes who won custody or visitation? Or Vietnam-era draft resisters? Or protesters who violate laws to call attention to their cause? Or Greenpeace? If you truly believe that The Law is The Law no matter what, then say so; answer the question above or shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6554 "2015-12-07T01:11:25Z")
And on the subject of answering questions: > [@Lumpy](#): > > What exactly makes a AR-15 or AK-47 styled rifle “high-powered”? Compared to what? > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > A knife, or a hammer, or a swimming pool. > [@Lumpy](#): > > Ha. Ha. Now, do you have an actual answer? -apparently not. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6555 "2015-12-07T02:54:27Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > So what’s your opinion of people who promoted medicinal marijuana before some states legalized it? Or people who shelter illegal aliens? Or women who hide their children from abusive exes who won custody or visitation? Or Vietnam-era draft resisters? Or protesters who violate laws to call attention to their cause? Or Greenpeace? If you truly believe that The Law is The Law no matter what, then say so; answer the question above or shut up. I think if they are committing felonies, they should lose their rights to own firearms. But, fucking spare me if you equate buying illegal weapons on the black market with sheltering women from abuse. That’s moronic. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6556 "2015-12-07T02:56:46Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > And on the subject of answering questions: > > -apparently not. We did answer you - your observation was pointless, trivial and deserved only to be farted at. Moronic bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6557 "2015-12-07T03:34:06Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > We did answer you - your observation was pointless, trivial and deserved only to be farted at. Moronic bullshit. I asked a perfectly legitimate question: People in favor of banning “assault weapons” frequently describe the AR-15 and AK-47 as “high-powered”. So apparently there’s at least a supposed characteristic that makes a rifle high-powered. I asked what that is. The anti-gunners here have responded with sarcasm and name calling. Is that how you win your debates- declare you’ve pwned your opponent and walk away? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6558 "2015-12-07T04:01:17Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I asked a perfectly legitimate question: People in favor of banning “assault weapons” frequently describe the AR-15 and AK-47 as “high-powered”. So apparently there’s at least a supposed characteristic that makes a rifle high-powered. I asked what that is. The anti-gunners here have responded with sarcasm and name calling. Is that how you win your debates- declare you’ve pwned your opponent and walk away? You’re asking about a word that a reporter used, fuckstain. Nobody is responsible to speak for him in response to your distraction. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6559 "2015-12-07T15:34:54Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > You’re asking about a word that a reporter used, fuckstain. Nobody is responsible to speak for him in response to your distraction. It’s not just one reporter, it’s a term very commonly used by gun control advocates, as a simple search will reveal. OK, _you_ didn’t say high-powered you were just quoting- fine. I’d still like to know just where the meme of assault rifles like the AR-15 or an AK-47 being “high-powered” came from. By any objective ballistic measure they’re not. BTW- “fuckstain”? Really classy of you. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6560 "2015-12-07T16:06:22Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > It’s not just one reporter, it’s a term very commonly used by gun control advocates, as a simple search will reveal. OK, _you_ didn’t say high-powered you were just quoting- fine. I’d still like to know just where the meme of assault rifles like the AR-15 or an AK-47 being “high-powered” came from. By any objective ballistic measure they’re not. I’ll admit I don’t know shit about guns, but are you saying that these guns, even as semi-automatics available for retail sale, have no advantage in a combat situation over your typical deer rifle? Can’t fire any faster? Can’t fire more bullets before reloading? Can’t blow bigger holes? I’m pretty damned sure that these guns are considerably more high-powered, by these measures, than the rifles we fired at targets at my summer camp nearly 50 years ago. And I also remember the debate over whether Lee Oswald could have fired all three shots at Kennedy and Connally, because the minimum time between shots with his gun was something like 2.8 seconds. I bet the AR-15 and AK-47 can be fired much more rapidly than that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=327) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=329)