# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/661 "2013-02-21T15:21:26Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > According to the anti-gun research like the study by Kellerman only owning a handgun made you more likely to get shot, owning a rifle made you less likely. Didn’t you know this, or do you just not care? So does having a rifle cancel out the handgun? I gotta go get more long guns, I’ve been meaning to get another shotgun after Biden told me to get one. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/662 "2013-02-21T15:22:22Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Does that mean you really want a handgun ban, but will just settle for rifles? What I really want is bear arms. We should all have our regular arms surgically replaced with those of a bear. And no, black people don’t just get to choose from black bears, that’s racist > [@Kable](#): > > According to the anti-gun research like the study by Kellerman only owning a handgun made you more likely to get shot, owning a rifle made you less likely. Didn’t you know this, or do you just not care? So own a rifle > [@Kable](#): > > I hope we stay lucky, in the meantime I’ll keep my guns, all of them thanks. I’m glad you concede your argument was stupid 🙂 > [@Kable](#): > > Why? It’s just a handgun? So get another kind instead > [@Kable](#): > > Yeah, and I had a point to do so. What’s your point? What was yours? ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/663 "2013-02-21T16:39:37Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I don’t know about that. Murder is bad for your health and a gun can prevent you from being murdered. Sounds healthful to me. There’s this South African girl that would like to discuss your thesis further. Oh wait, she can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/664 "2013-02-21T16:58:02Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > So own a rifle But you think rifles should be outlawed and people should only have handguns and shotguns for defense. > [@](#): > > I’m glad you concede your argument was stupid 🙂 I did no such thing. Guns protect against all kinds of homicides including genocides. Probably handguns and shotguns not so much with regards to genocides. > [@](#): > > So get another kind instead What’s wrong with the uzi pistol? It’s just a handgun which you said people should be able to have for defense. Do you not like it because it is black, or because it’s Jewish, or what? > [@](#): > > What was yours? You mentioned something about law abiding citizens as though it was important. The point I hoped you would see was that law abiding citizens will sometimes commit terrible atrocities if the law tells them to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/665 "2013-02-21T16:59:28Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > There’s this South African girl that would like to discuss your thesis further. Oh wait, she can’t. This one can: https://www.youtube.com/embed/VPfz7ENFUB0?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque&list=UU02JJcAx3xXhXflFI_wgZ6g ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/666 "2013-02-21T19:26:26Z")
Please, stop talking about gun bans. It will never happen and just leads to endless posts of irrelevant circular arguments. I have a question for the gun supporters. What would you do if your mental or emotional state changed enough that it was unsafe for you to have guns? For example, if you became depressed or were extremely stressed or angry (discover spouse having affair). Would you remove those guns from your house or restrict your access to your own guns in any way? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/667 "2013-02-21T19:39:34Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Please, stop talking about gun bans. It will never happen and just leads to endless posts of irrelevant circular arguments. The assault weapon ban did happen. > [@](#): > > I have a question for the gun supporters. What would you do if your mental or emotional state changed enough that it was unsafe for you to have guns? For example, if you became depressed or were extremely stressed or angry (discover spouse having affair). Would you remove those guns from your house or restrict your access to your own guns in any way? I suppose if it were in my perceived best interest to leave my guns with a friend for a while I would. If it wasn’t, I wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/668 "2013-02-21T20:20:25Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > So if someone wants to shoot you with a gun, what are you going to use to protect yourself? Karate? > > If someone comes after a senior citizen with a club, what would you have them use? Brazilian Jujitsu? When I had a speed freak redneck pull a .40 on me, I personally used a combination of Tae Kwon Do and Krav Maga moves to disarm and disable him. For a senior citizen I would more suggest Judo, or better, Aikido. They require less brute strength and rely more on redirecting the attackers own momentum and are usable even by smaller and less physically capable people. Brazilian Jujitsu is more of a grappleing martial art and would not be as effective for a sernior citizen in your situation. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/669 "2013-02-21T20:40:57Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I suppose if it were in my perceived best interest to leave my guns with a friend for a while I would. If it wasn’t, I wouldn’t. Do you have any systems in place to make sure this happens if you are not mentally competent to make that decision? It’s easy to say you would do this now when you have a clear head, but if you were in a state of depression where you were considering suicide, would you be able to make the same decision? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/670 "2013-02-21T21:16:41Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > When I had a speed freak redneck pull a .40 on me, I personally used a combination of Tae Kwon Do and Krav Maga moves to disarm and disable him. Yeah, I know those moves. If your attacker knows them too he’ll just shoot you before you come within reach. > [@](#): > > For a senior citizen I would more suggest Judo, or better, Aikido. They require less brute strength and rely more on redirecting the attackers own momentum and are usable even by smaller and less physically capable people. You’re dreaming. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHwKnXi8J08](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHwKnXi8J08) ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/671 "2013-02-21T21:18:37Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Do you have any systems in place to make sure this happens if you are not mentally competent to make that decision? It’s easy to say you would do this now when you have a clear head, but if you were in a state of depression where you were considering suicide, would you be able to make the same decision? No, if it were ever in my perceived best interest to commit suicide I wouldn’t want to lose the ability to do so. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/672 "2013-02-21T21:36:00Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > No, if it were ever in my perceived best interest to commit suicide I wouldn’t want to lose the ability to do so. Do you see this as a problem? A person continues having access to their guns even though their current mental state would not qualify them to purchase a gun. Suppose a gun owner snaps and start wandering the street like a schizo screaming how the CIA is controlling him. He likely would not voluntarily give up his guns even though he is a danger to society. Should there be systems in place to ensure his guns are taken away in this case? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/673 "2013-02-21T21:40:12Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Do you see this as a problem? Not at all. > [@](#): > > Suppose a gun owner snaps and start wandering the street like a schizo screaming how the CIA is controlling him. He likely would not voluntarily give up his guns even though he is a danger to society. Should there be systems in place to ensure his guns are taken away in this case? Sure. I think they already take away your guns if you are institutionalized. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/674 "2013-02-21T22:01:41Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Please, stop talking about gun bans. It will never happen and just leads to endless posts of irrelevant circular arguments. It has happened in the past, why couldn’t it happen again? It took a LOT of education on the stupidity of an AWB to avert the proposed AWB. We just had an alection where the president won by a large margin. We just had a school shooting where small children were slaughtered. The media was conflating assault weapons with machine guns. Based on this, people thought that assault weapons were a major source of gun deaths. It took a concerted effort to educate people of the facts and we had to expose idiots like Piers Morgan as idiots before the majority of Americans realized that an AWB was stupid. It didn’t happen on its won and there are STILL people who are pushing for an AWB. This is not going away. There is a group of people that want a gun free society but they can’t figure out how to get the guns out of the hands of criminals so they figure they;ll start with taking guns away from the alw abiding citizens and deal with teh criminals later. Fucking retarded. > [@](#): > > I have a question for the gun supporters. What would you do if your mental or emotional state changed enough that it was unsafe for you to have guns? For example, if you became depressed or were extremely stressed or angry (discover spouse having affair). Would you remove those guns from your house or restrict your access to your own guns in any way? I’m not sure what you are trying to get at. Are you saying that people shouldn’t have guns because we might flip out one day and commit suicide or kill someone? Or are you asking if we would give up our guns if we thought we couldn’t trust ourselves anymore? > [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > When I had a speed freak redneck pull a .40 on me, I personally used a combination of Tae Kwon Do and Krav Maga moves to disarm and disable him. > > For a senior citizen I would more suggest Judo, or better, Aikido. They require less brute strength and rely more on redirecting the attackers own momentum and are usable even by smaller and less physically capable people. Brazilian Jujitsu is more of a grappleing martial art and would not be as effective for a sernior citizen in your situation. 😃 Am I being whooshed? You’re kidding right? ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/675 "2013-02-21T22:05:34Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Sure. I think they already take away your guns if you are institutionalized. Does this really happen? How do they know if the schizo has any guns? He’s not going to freely give up that info if they ask. The cops can’t search his house just in case he might have some. Without a permanent registry in place, there’s not a reliable way to know if he has guns and that they should be removed. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/676 "2013-02-21T23:37:21Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Does this really happen? How do they know if the schizo has any guns? I don’t know the answer to either. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/677 "2013-02-22T02:28:16Z")
[http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/02/21/1622561/congressman-says-americans-need-guns-to-protect-the-nation-from-sharia-law/](http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/02/21/1622561/congressman-says-americans-need-guns-to-protect-the-nation-from-sharia-law/) The latest from Louie the Goober: > [@](#): > > …Tea Party Congressman Louie Gohmert (R-TX) told a conservative radio show on Thursday that the GOP must oppose gun regulations to protect the country from the threat of “Sharia Law.”… > [@](#): > > …We’ve got some people who think Sharia Law should be the law of the land, forget the Constitution. But the guns are there… to make sure all of the rest of the Amendments are followed… Comment is superfluous, ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/678 "2013-02-22T02:35:25Z")
Elucidator, regarding gun control I’m still waiting to hear what you think should be the law of the land. Not what you will grudgingly accept, but what you would really like to see. Do tell. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/679 "2013-02-22T04:01:24Z")
Don’t have much faith in it, as I’ve said to tiresome length. I very much want to nudge our culture away from gun fetishism, mostly for reasons of mental hygiene, I don’t think its good for you. About the only positive development these legal efforts can accomplish is an expression of societal disapproval, which is a step, but a baby step. Sure, limiting magazine capacity make sense. And I entirely agree there is no good reason for civilians to issue themselves military weapons, they want one that bad, they can enlist. But law must be definitive, if it is to be just. It must explicitly and transparently describe precisely what is to be illegal. And as many ballistophiliacs have gleefully pointed out, precisely defining what is and what is not an “assault weapon” is a nitpickers playground, especially a well-paid, professional nitpicker. (Aside: it brings to mind snide references to “scary guns”, offered in smug tones of testosterone poisoning to nelly nancygirls who cringe at a few little exit wounds. Why, do you think, do they manufacture weapons for sale to civilians that look so much like military weapons? What do they do to attract the customers eye? They could simply make an ordinary hunting rifle, like your Grandads .30-.30, but instead they make something that functions not quite as well but looks like something you get to go hunting free-range _kzinti_. I don’t think that’s an accident…But I digress…) Changing laws isn’t likely to help much, we have to change minds, and that is the long, slow, agonizing approach. But there it is. Now, if it turns out I’m wrong, and it can be done, I’ll be tickled. And I will not discourage anyone from trying. I’m a pessimist, I like being wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/680 "2013-02-22T04:23:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sure, limiting magazine capacity make sense. And I entirely agree there is no good reason for civilians to issue themselves military weapons, they want one that bad, they can enlist. OK, so you think much like Feinstein. But why the focus on assault weapons as opposed to handguns. Why are you at the same time anti-gun but pro Everclear? > [@](#): > > Why, do you think, do they manufacture weapons for sale to civilians that look so much like military weapons? Military weapons have always been popular among civilians. They are generally very well proven very well state of the art. Why not want one. > [@](#): > > What do they do to attract the customers eye? Why don’t they attract your eye? > [@](#): > > They could simply make an ordinary hunting rifle, like your Grandads .30-.30, but instead they make something that functions not quite as well… I have a 30-30 and a number of “assault weapons.” What makes you think the 30-30 functions better? > [@](#): > > Now, if it turns out I’m wrong, and it can be done, I’ll be tickled. And I will not discourage anyone from trying. I’m a pessimist, I like being wrong. I got it, you are a pessimistic gun grabber. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=35)