# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 342
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6821 "2016-03-24T17:32:52Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > I say that would be one of those cases where the Court may find the incident has been its own punishment. I would hope not. That kid could have easily killed her, or himself, or worse, me. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6822 "2016-03-25T00:14:44Z")
More seriously – you have a loaded, safety-off, condition-whatever means ready to fire, M1911 just lying unsecured on the car seat… …why? WTH threat environment was she in that it could not be securely holstered and safety-on? That she needed to be ready to grab and fire w/o even bothering to flip the safety? Rough neighborhood! I’d move. BTW I have always been fine with people who comply with CCW requirements, they had shown to be mostly conscientious rule-following owners. Though of course you can’t catch all the fools, some would slip through the system but in general proper permit holders are not a threat. I’m more concerned, however, about the recent apparent drive towards establishing a “normalization” of anyone being armed anywhere, anytime, including permit-free open carry by the untrained. 'Cause THAT seems to me like it will multiply the odds of the careless or incompetent doing careless and incompetent things. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6823 "2016-03-25T15:50:21Z")
[Petition: Allow open carry at the Cleveland GOP convention](https://www.change.org/p/quicken-loans-arena-allow-open-carry-of-firearms-at-the-quicken-loans-arena-during-the-rnc-convention-in-july-2) Whoosh, or not? Maybe someone wiser than I can determine that. > [@](#): > > SUMMARY: In July of 2016, the GOP will host its convention at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Ohio. Though Ohio is an open carry state, which allows for the open carry of guns, the hosting venue—the Quicken Loans Arena—strictly forbids the carry of firearms on their premises. It goes on to say all three remaining candidates favor open carry. Would it be cool to have a real, on the convention floor, shoot-out between Trump and Cruz supporters? Imagine the headache the Secret Service would have. The eventual nominee would probably have give his acceptance speech via video link. Hilarity. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6824 "2016-03-25T18:31:14Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > More seriously – you have a loaded, safety-off, condition-whatever means ready to fire, M1911 just lying unsecured on the car seat… > …why? [According to this report](http://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/putnam-county/deputies-to-update-case-mom-shot-by-4-year-old), she succumbed to impatience: > [@](#): > > Gilt told investigators that she normally carries the firearm in a holster, but on the day of the shooting she didn’t because she was going to be in and out of the vehicle, and it was a long drive. Still negligence, but I can understand it; constantly unholstering/reholstering a firearm is a big pain in the… well, the back, in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6825 "2016-03-27T19:00:31Z")
[Open Carry law allows murder spree.](http://reverbpress.com/news/us/open-carries-colorado-springs-3-dead/) Kinda tough call. On the one hand, the N.R.A. must be just busting with pride over this one. One Primary Target eliminated, two Secondary Targets eliminated. Then there’s the added bonus of the Defender of the 2nd Amendment Who Did Nothing Wrong At All being shot to death by the police- he gets martyred. Score ! Tough call because this almost belongs in that Positive Gun News thread. Only downside? The American Exercising His 2nd Amendment Rights won’t be attending the Republican National Convention. You know. Where he could Open Carry again. Gosh, what a bummer. Fucking insane murdering shits. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6826 "2016-03-27T20:45:35Z")
I saw nothing indicating that open carry contributed to this. As far as I can tell from the news report, people started calling in alarms to the police almost immediately. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6827 "2016-03-27T20:47:44Z")
You missed the [1:30am shooting at a party](http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/2-Shot-At-House-Party-In-Southeast-Colorado-Springs-373660721.html), because, I guess, no one has died so far. Fun place that Colorado Springs. I thought it seemed like a nice place in '75, but what did I know. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6828 "2016-03-27T22:19:36Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I saw nothing indicating that open carry contributed to this. As far as I can tell from the news report, people started calling in alarms to the police almost immediately. Was that before or after the first gunshots? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6829 "2016-03-27T22:42:54Z")
> **[Man loses leg shooting rifle at lawn mower packed with explosives](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/27/man-loses-leg-shooting-automatic-weapon-at-lawn-mower-packed-with-explosives/)** > > The explosive — Tannerite — is normally used for target practice. "Gruesome video footage has surfaced showing the moment a Georgia daredevil lost his leg shooting a semiautomatic rifle at a lawn mower packed with several pounds of deadly explosives. David Pressley, 32, can be seen moving closer and closer to the explosive target as he peppers it with bullets. Moments later, the lawn mower suddenly explodes, unleashing a plume of smoke and shrapnel. Authorities said one piece of shrapnel struck Pressley, severing his leg from below the knee, according to ABC affiliate WSB-TV." Some hyper-ventilating wording in the story but still crazy. Great that they taped this; blood on the camera lens. Truly dumb idea copying what has become a _ **popular?** _ internet video thing. You can buy explosives at sporting goods stores that are sensitive to bullet impacts. Just wow. Guy will live. I worked with ammo and explosives for 35+ years and would never try anything this stupid. Another quote from story: “Lydiah Mays, one of Pressley’s neighbors, told WSB-TV that she heard the gunshots but wasn’t concerned until she heard the explosion, which shook her nearby home.” Shooting no problem, WTF, but explosions get her attention? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6830 "2016-03-28T02:23:21Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Was that before or after the first gunshots? Dunno; updates as more detailed information comes available? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6831 "2016-03-28T19:56:42Z")
Is [shooting up the visitor center in the US Capitol building](http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/03/28/report-gunshots-fired-at-capitol-visitors-center/) stupid enough? One officer took a slug but is not thought to be seriously injured. The Second Amendment appears to have escaped unharmed. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6832 "2016-03-28T20:36:23Z")
Man carries weapons into church in Tennessee, an open carry state. And gets arrested. [Oh, yeah, he’s black](http://author.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/28/this-guy-brought-an-assault-rifle-to-church-but-he-was-black-so-he-got-arrested-video/). ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6833 "2016-03-28T22:47:39Z")
[Here’s a short funny documentary on America’s fascination with guns.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxgEeTScnTw) One legislator has introduced a bill making it a Class D Felony for any lawmaker to introduce any bill limiting the use of guns. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6834 "2016-03-28T22:51:48Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Man carries weapons into church in Tennessee, an open carry state. And gets arrested. [Oh, yeah, he’s black](http://author.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/28/this-guy-brought-an-assault-rifle-to-church-but-he-was-black-so-he-got-arrested-video/). Can you find an article on this story that’s NOT shitty? I’d love to know if, for example, the church in question has a blanket ban on firearms or not (as the author admits he couldn’t be bothered to find out) ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6835 "2016-03-29T01:30:59Z")
> [@Reyemile](#): > > Can you find an article on this story that’s NOT shitty? I’d love to know if, for example, the church in question has a blanket ban on firearms or not (as the author admits he couldn’t be bothered to find out) google tennessee man arrested for bringing a gun into church for hits. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6836 "2016-03-29T12:14:34Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I’m not sure what you are trying to imply but all this hyperventilating over concealed carry permit holders seems based on the notion that they are some sort of secret psycho killers amongst us and yet they are more law abiding than the general population and they are more law abiding that the police (in Texas at least). Sorry, I missed this earlier. My point was that if you’re trying to disprove the view that “carrying a gun while keeping a constant eye out for bad guys will result in a bias towards gun use”, you might do better than to say that your target population has a lower rate of shooting people than police officers, whose job it is to carry a gun while keeping a constant eye out for bad guys. The “general population” comparison is more relevant, so well done to you. I’m pretty sure I didn’t say that concealed carry permit holders were “secret psycho killers” but if it makes you feel better to make up pretend views for me, please go right ahead. But for the record I don’t think all CCPH are trigger-happy paranoids. That does not, in itself, negate my original point. > [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Petition: Allow open carry at the Cleveland GOP convention](https://www.change.org/p/quicken-loans-arena-allow-open-carry-of-firearms-at-the-quicken-loans-arena-during-the-rnc-convention-in-july-2) > > Whoosh, or not? Maybe someone wiser than I can determine that. I remain unconvinced that the majority of the folk pushing that petition are actually Republicans wanting to carry guns at the convention. Every person I’ve seen promoting it has been doing so with the intent to highlight a perceived Republican hypocrisy about wanting guns to be allowed everywhere except at their own gatherings. It’s a bit of political nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6837 "2016-03-29T15:01:43Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > One legislator has introduced a bill making it a Class D Felony for any lawmaker to introduce any bill limiting the use of guns. :eek: Where? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6838 "2016-03-29T18:45:31Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Where? From [here:](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/19/missouri-gun-bill_n_2717360.html) > [@](#): > > Legislation introduced Monday by state Rep. Mike Leara (R-St. Louis) would make state legislators guilty of a Class D felony if they introduce legislation “that further restricts an individual’s right to bear arms.” Leara said that the bill is needed because he sees a growing number of his colleagues looking to take away gun rights from the state’s residents. > > “We seem to be having a lot of people willing to further restrict our constitutional rights and take our rights,” Leara told The Huffington Post. “It is a push-back to the people who don’t believe in our constitutional rights. There have to be consequences to removing our constitutional rights.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6839 "2016-03-29T18:56:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > From [here:](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/19/missouri-gun-bill_n_2717360.html) Just wanted to add that, with all his talk of protecting Constitutional rights, he would have felt right at home in the ol’ USSR. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6840 "2016-03-29T19:03:37Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Sorry, I missed this earlier. > > My point was that if you’re trying to disprove the view that “carrying a gun while keeping a constant eye out for bad guys will result in a bias towards gun use”, you might do better than to say that your target population has a lower rate of shooting people than police officers, whose job it is to carry a gun while keeping a constant eye out for bad guys. The “general population” comparison is more relevant, so well done to you. > > I’m pretty sure I didn’t say that concealed carry permit holders were “secret psycho killers” but if it makes you feel better to make up pretend views for me, please go right ahead. But for the record I don’t think all CCPH are trigger-happy paranoids. That does not, in itself, negate my original point. OK, so the point you are trying to make is that while the guys that have CCW permits are more law abiding than the general population, they might be predisposed to something. What is that something? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=341) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=343)