# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 343
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6841 "2016-03-30T09:03:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > OK, so the point you are trying to make is that while the guys that have CCW permits are more law abiding than the general population, they might be predisposed to something. What is that something? An increased bias toward gun use. Which is what I said in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6842 "2016-03-30T17:18:33Z")
OK, umm … > [@"\[NRA](#): > > ([http://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2016/1/13/little-red-riding-hood-has-a-gun/](http://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2016/1/13/little-red-riding-hood-has-a-gun/))"]_Most of us probably grew up having fairy tales read to us as we drifted off to sleep. But how many times have you thought back and realized just how, well, grim some of them are? Did any of them ever make your rest a little bit uneasy? Have you ever wondered what those same fairy tales might sound like if the hapless Red Riding Hoods, Hansels and Gretels had been taught about gun safety and how to use firearms? The author of this piece, Amelia Hamilton has—and NRA Family is proud to announce that we’ve partnered with the author to present her twist on those classic tales. We hope you and your children enjoy this first installment!_ > > \ I mean, bleaugh. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6843 "2016-03-30T18:51:17Z")
“twist” is right. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6844 "2016-03-31T08:42:12Z")
Hardly the first fairy tale the NRA has told. In reality, of course, the wolf would be carrying too. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6845 "2016-03-31T10:02:31Z")
The appropriate response, where the characters accidentally shoot themselves or their kids or spouses, would be too grim for a fairy tale, even though it’s far more likely to be the outcome than scaring off a burglar or murderer. And given how the murderer is often a family member in the first place, putting a gun in the house just increases the odds your murderer will be coming at you with the weapon you purchased. Or how about a nice fairy tale about an entire school being shot up because teenager decided to take the weapons he acquired from home and get revenge on some bullies. Not only are these stories not very suitable for children, none of them are fairy tales. But, if you wanted to combat the delusion that guns make people safer, resulting in writing books for kids explaining how great they are, the contrary books written for kids explaining how terrible they are wouldn’t be very kid-friendly. All you need to do is look at countries where guns are less commonplace and you’ll see fewer people get shot. It’s not a coincidence. People are generally dangerous or clumsy animals and should not have guns. Even in the “right” hands, the wrong hands are nearby. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Or not having firearms everywhere in the first place. And sometimes the good guy with a gun becomes a bad guy, or a negligent guy, and people die anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6846 "2016-03-31T10:16:24Z")
Could we make sure to include how safe and powerful people feel when having guns, leading them into more confrontations that they would have avoided being in in the first place if they weren’t packing? Some guy just cut me off in traffic, I’m going to deliberately try to piss him off because what am I afraid of? I have a gun! That means I can be a dickwad to people and nothing bad will happen, _DIES THAT DAY BECAUSE STUPID_. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6847 "2016-03-31T12:23:05Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > All you need to do is look at countries where guns are less commonplace Remember though that “less legal” is not the same as “less commonplace”. And if you think making guns illegaler will eliminate the “gun culture”, you’re starting at the wrong end of the population. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Could we make sure to include how safe and powerful people feel when having guns, leading them into more confrontations that they would have avoided being in in the first place if they weren’t packing? > > Some guy just cut me off in traffic, I’m going to deliberately try to piss him off because what am I afraid of? I have a gun! That means I can be a dickwad to people and nothing bad will happen, _DIES THAT DAY BECAUSE STUPID_. Which is why anyone who carries who is not an imbecile remembers that _the other guy can be carrying too_, and behaves as such. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6848 "2016-03-31T12:28:40Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Which is why anyone who carries who is not an imbecile remembers that _the other guy can be carrying too_, and behaves as such. “Shoots him first.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6849 "2016-03-31T14:32:56Z")
Runs away. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6850 "2016-03-31T21:15:35Z")
People carrying are _generally_ less likely to “run away”. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6851 "2016-03-31T23:09:13Z")
[Huh](http://ktla.com/2016/03/27/gun-store-owner-refuses-to-sell-weapon-to-man-suspected-of-planning-mass-shooting-at-ohio-university-2/). Some of the not-so-stupid: > [@](#): > > A gun store owner is being credited with possibly stopping a mass shooting at Ohio University after he refused to sell a gun to a man who passed a background check, CNN reported on Sunday. > … > > “I just said, you know what, bud, I have a really bad feeling about this. I just can’t sell you the gun,” Downs said. > … > > (James) Howard was later arrested at a nearby Wal-Mart while buying survival gear, CNN reports. "From what I know of the circumstances, I believe he did prevent a mass shooting … in Athens,” said (the) Sheriff’s Office … “He had an enormous amount of ammunition he was going to purchase, shotgun shells and 22-caliber rifle ammunition.” ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6852 "2016-04-01T02:56:52Z")
NRA board member, Second Amendment scholar, and leading hoplophile intellectual Ted Nugent recently took a break from his busy schedule of policy research to throw some support to a Detroit entrepreneur. Today on his Facebook page, the gun rights leader praised the business Two Niggers and a Stolen Truck. Mr. Nugent wrote: > [@](#): > > Before all the braindead dishonest lying scum politically correct racist hatepunks get all goofball toxic on us here, I am simply promoting a brilliant entrepreneur in Detroit that created a clever bussiness. His words, not mine. Ya gotta luv this guy!! When in doubt whip it out!/ You can learn more about this business that caught the attention of gun rights hero Nugent at the link: > **[NRA's Ted Nugent Posts Racist "2 Niggers And A Stolen Truck" Meme](https://www.mediamatters.org/national-rifle-association/nras-ted-nugent-posts-racist-2-niggers-and-stolen-truck-meme)** ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6853 "2016-04-01T10:22:25Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > [Huh](http://ktla.com/2016/03/27/gun-store-owner-refuses-to-sell-weapon-to-man-suspected-of-planning-mass-shooting-at-ohio-university-2/). Some of the not-so-stupid: The way to stop a bad man with a gun is with a good man who won’t sell him the gun in the first place. That’s a “positive gun news” story. Hooray for responsible gun sellers! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6854 "2016-04-01T10:41:05Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > People carrying are _generally_ less likely to “run away”. Also less likely to be shot in the back? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6855 "2016-04-01T11:15:21Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > People carrying are _generally_ less likely to “run away”. And people not carrying at all are less likely to become mass murderers. [Unlike all of these guys.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/26/people-with-concealed-carry-permits-have-committed-at-least-29-mass-shootings-since-2007/) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6856 "2016-04-01T11:18:27Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > People carrying are _generally_ less likely to “run away”. [Here’s a priceless counterexample.](http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/suspect-in-renton-theater-shooting-says-he-feared-random-attacks/) > [@](#): > > Dane Gallion, 29, told officers he took the gun to Regal Cinemas 14 at the Landing on Thursday night because he was “concerned about recent mass shootings in public places,” according to a police account in a probable-cause statement released Saturday. > … > According to the police account, Gallion gave inconsistent descriptions of how his firearm discharged while at “13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi.” > > His father, Donald Gallion, had called the King County sheriff’s dispatch to say his son had returned home extremely upset, claiming the gun had fallen out of his pocket and gone off, police said. > > Dane Gallion later told the arresting officer that another moviegoer reached for his crotch and that’s when he accidentally fired the gun, according to the probable-cause statement. **Gallion said he fled the theater immediately because he didn’t want to be taken for a mass shooter.** ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6857 "2016-04-01T11:22:33Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And people not carrying at all are less likely to become mass murderers. [Unlike all of these guys.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/26/people-with-concealed-carry-permits-have-committed-at-least-29-mass-shootings-since-2007/) As always, the comments below the article are a mess of claims and counterclaims and the usual internet shitshow. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6858 "2016-04-01T13:24:49Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > An increased bias toward gun use. Which is what I said in the first place. OK. Do you have anything that might support those claims? Other than the fact that its hard to use a gun unless you actually have a gun? I mean isn’t that kind of like saying that people who have umbrellas are more prone to use them than people who don’t have umbrellas? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6859 "2016-04-01T13:36:47Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > The appropriate response, where the characters accidentally shoot themselves or their kids or spouses, would be too grim for a fairy tale, even though it’s far more likely to be the outcome than scaring off a burglar or murderer. cite? > [@](#): > > And given how the murderer is often a family member in the first place, putting a gun in the house just increases the odds your murderer will be coming at you with the weapon you purchased. And how frequently does that gun save your life from criminals with guns (you realize that most gun murders are committed by people with a criminal history, right? > [@](#): > > Or how about a nice fairy tale about an entire school being shot up because teenager decided to take the weapons he acquired from home and get revenge on some bullies. And what percentage of murders does this account for? > [@](#): > > Not only are these stories not very suitable for children, none of them are fairy tales. Cite. > [@](#): > > But, if you wanted to combat the delusion that guns make people safer, resulting in writing books for kids explaining how great they are, the contrary books written for kids explaining how terrible they are wouldn’t be very kid-friendly. No idea what you mean here. > [@](#): > > All you need to do is look at countries where guns are less commonplace and you’ll see fewer people get shot. And if you look at countries where cars are less commonplace, you’ll see fewer vehicular homicides. Most of those homicides are committed with a gun. Most of those gun homicides are committed with a handgun. most of those gun homicides are committed by someone that has a criminal history. > [@](#): > > It’s not a coincidence. People are generally dangerous or clumsy animals and should not have guns. Even in the “right” hands, the wrong hands are nearby. > > The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Or not having firearms everywhere in the first place. So what is your proposal to get all the bad guys with guns to turn them in? Or are you just saying that if we get everyone else to turn them in the criminals will feel some sort of pressure to turn in their guns as well? > [@](#): > > And sometimes the good guy with a gun becomes a bad guy, or a negligent guy, and people die anyway. Yes, everyone is born a relatively innocent baby and doesn’t become a criminal or murderer until later on. So how many of those gun crimes are committed by people who are already criminals and how many are committed by people who are legally allowed to purchase guns? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6860 "2016-04-01T13:43:21Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Could we make sure to include how safe and powerful people feel when having guns, leading them into more confrontations that they would have avoided being in in the first place if they weren’t packing? > > Some guy just cut me off in traffic, I’m going to deliberately try to piss him off because what am I afraid of? I have a gun! That means I can be a dickwad to people and nothing bad will happen, _DIES THAT DAY BECAUSE STUPID_. This is almost exactly the opposite of what I have seen happen to ordinary citizens who carry guns. Having a gun doesn’t give them police power and pulling out a gun has pretty dire consequences in every jurisdiction I can think of. Considering the fact that CCW holders are more law abiding than the general population… considering the fact that they are more law abiding than police officers (at least they are in Texas), where do you get the notion that having a gun turn people into gunslingers? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=342) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=344)