# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 344
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6861 "2016-04-01T13:57:16Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > NRA board member, Second Amendment scholar, and leading hoplophile intellectual Ted Nugent recently took a break from his busy schedule of policy research to throw some support to a Detroit entrepreneur. > > Today on his Facebook page, the gun rights leader praised the business Two Niggers and a Stolen Truck. Mr. Nugent wrote: > > You can learn more about this business that caught the attention of gun rights hero Nugent at the link: > > [http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/03/31/nras-ted-nugent-posts-racist-2-niggers-and-a-st/209660](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/03/31/nras-ted-nugent-posts-racist-2-niggers-and-a-st/209660) You mean this guy? > **[Gun supporters call for Ted Nugent to be removed from NRA board](https://www.nydailynews.com/2016/02/11/gun-supporters-call-for-ted-nugent-to-be-removed-from-nra-board/)** > > Even gun nuts aren’t crazy about Ted Nugent shooting off his big mouth. The washed-up rocker took some friendly fire Wednesday for his anti-Semitic rants about gun control supporters — … Board membership is largely ceremonial. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6862 "2016-04-01T14:04:00Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > This is almost exactly the opposite of what I have seen happen to ordinary citizens who carry guns. Having a gun doesn’t give them police power and pulling out a gun has pretty dire consequences in every jurisdiction I can think of. Yet the number who point to their claimed right to “get the bad guys”, just like cops, and to actually tell themselves they constitute a “militia”, is pretty damn big, isn’t it? There are several right in this thread. And that, I remind you, is the basis they, and you, claim for the Second Amendment’s very existence. So, make up your damn mind, willya? > [@](#): > > where do you get the notion that having a gun turn people into gunslingers? From the number of incidents where gun-owners either escalate situations, or become “bad guys”. > [@](#): > > And how frequently does that gun save your life from criminals with guns You can keep pretending that question has either no answer or one that you’d like, but it’s simple denial to pretend it hasn’t been rubbed in your face repeatedly, psycho. > [@](#): > > So what is your proposal to get all the bad guys with guns to turn them in? Once a law-breaker, always a breaker of all laws, is that how you pretend all these pretended “bad guys” think? Once laws are passed to restrict gun ownership, owners of guns will suddenly stop being “law-abiding”, is that your claim? > [@](#): > > Or are you just saying that if we get everyone else to turn them in the criminals will feel some sort of pressure to turn in their guns as well? Just where the hell do you think the “bad guys” _get_ their guns? :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Yes, everyone is born a relatively innocent baby and doesn’t become a criminal or murderer until later on. Except for the innate “bad guys”, in your cartoon world. > [@](#): > > So how many of those gun crimes are committed by people who are already criminals and how many are committed by people who are legally allowed to purchase guns? Your victim is dead no matter how much you try to reassure yourself you’re really a “good guy”. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6863 "2016-04-01T14:26:59Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You mean this guy? > > [Gun supporters call for Ted Nugent to be removed from NRA board – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gun-supporters-call-nra-board-remove-ted-nugent-article-1.2526937) > > Board membership is largely ceremonial. It looks like he’s up for re-election at the May annual meeting. If board membership is just an honor bestowed on people who embody the ideals of the NRA, this is the membership’s chance to prove that they do not condone racist and violent rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6864 "2016-04-01T14:32:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yet the number who point to their claimed right to “get the bad guys”, just like cops, and to actually tell themselves they constitute a “militia”, is pretty damn big, isn’t it? There are several right in this thread. And that, I remind you, is the basis they, and you, claim for the Second Amendment’s very existence. So, make up your damn mind, willya? > > From the number of incidents where gun-owners either escalate situations, or become “bad guys”. > > You can keep pretending that question has either no answer or one that you’d like, but it’s simple denial to pretend it hasn’t been rubbed in your face repeatedly, psycho. > > Once a law-breaker, always a breaker of all laws, is that how you pretend all these pretended “bad guys” think? Once laws are passed to restrict gun ownership, owners of guns will suddenly stop being “law-abiding”, is that your claim? > > Just where the hell do you think the “bad guys” _get_ their guns? :rolleyes: > > Except for the innate “bad guys”, in your cartoon world. > > Your victim is dead no matter how much you try to reassure yourself you’re really a “good guy”. How many lives were saved this week by you not owning a gun? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6865 "2016-04-01T14:37:04Z")
Still having trouble making a coherent point, are you? Try just a little harder, that’s a good lad. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6866 "2016-04-01T16:09:34Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You mean this guy? > > [Gun supporters call for Ted Nugent to be removed from NRA board – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gun-supporters-call-nra-board-remove-ted-nugent-article-1.2526937) > > Board membership is largely ceremonial. And it isn’t telling at all as to whom they vote for? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6867 "2016-04-01T21:26:10Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Still having trouble making a coherent point, are you? Try just a little harder, that’s a good lad. Still taking you at your word is what you mean. Could you be trusted to own a gun? Just answer yes or no, as difficult as that is for someone as fundamentally dishonest as you. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6868 "2016-04-01T21:40:40Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You mean this guy? > > [Gun supporters call for Ted Nugent to be removed from NRA board – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gun-supporters-call-nra-board-remove-ted-nugent-article-1.2526937) > > Board membership is largely ceremonial. What ceremony is being performed? “This is The Asshat Court, and we are electing our Ambassadors of Asshat!” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6869 "2016-04-01T22:38:40Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Could you be trusted to own a gun? More so than someone with untreated anger management issues, such as yourself. > [@](#): > > Just answer yes or no Rare indeed are the questions with such simple answers. But it seems that’s the only kind you can understand, isn’t it? > [@](#): > > as difficult as that is for someone as fundamentally dishonest as you. And here’s your pat on the head for the day. Run along now, lad. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6870 "2016-04-01T23:42:59Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > More so than someone with untreated anger management issues, such as yourself. Rare indeed are the questions with such simple answers. But it seems that’s the only kind you can understand, isn’t it? > > And here’s your pat on the head for the day. Run along now, lad. You never disappoint. While we’re on the topic of anger management, how are you doing? Had that “one bad day” yet that you’ve warned us is the reason that nobody can be trusted to own a gun? You know, I’d take your whole ridiculous position just a skitch more seriously if you had the naddage to include yourself. If you would admit that you come by your beliefs because you, personally, have experienced rage so intense that you would have murdered another person if you’d had a gun, I’d concede that your beliefs were honestly held. But, no. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6871 "2016-04-02T00:19:32Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And how frequently does that gun save your life from criminals with guns (you realize that most gun murders are committed by people with a criminal history, right? Do us some legwork here. (I am not going address the issue of “_… most gun murders are committed by people with a criminal history …_”, because, no, I do not know about that one way or another). We have seen that accidental shootings crazyguy shooting sprees are actually quite rare, in a ppm kind of way. However, the individual successfully using their gun to save themself from a criminal is not really known to be a large fraction, in a ppm kind of way. How do they balance out? What is the comparative ratio of fuckedup incidents vs good incidents, and what is an _ideal_ ratio? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6872 "2016-04-02T14:14:26Z")
Someone who commits a murder \*becomes \*a criminal at that moment, even if he had heretofore been someone who meets whatever definition of “law-abiding citizen” **Damuri** wants to cut to fit his preferred spin of the event. IOW, Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6873 "2016-04-02T15:11:06Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You mean this guy? > > [Gun supporters call for Ted Nugent to be removed from NRA board – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gun-supporters-call-nra-board-remove-ted-nugent-article-1.2526937) > > Board membership is largely ceremonial. Really? It isn’t on any of the Boards of Directors of advocacy groups and charities I served (or currently serve) on. Board members not only vote on very critical issues on a regular basis, they legally control and guide the organization within its bylaws. They also serve as a PR force for the organization, as they are out there making their speeches and touting their membership in their publicity statements. While it’s true that some board members treat it ceremoniously (I have witnessed absentee/publicity-seeking members on a regular basis), the NRA and pro-gun people in general should not hesitate to throw shitheels like Nugent under the bus as soon as possible. I doubt very highly he’s been a net positive for them. In fact, it was the presence and continued election of some asshats who were powerfully anti-LGBT rights to the NRA Board which led me to drop membership. Blackwell, Nugent, Norquist, Keene, Ross…I could go through the current list of 70+ as well as innumerable past members to make my point. It’s an ultra right-wing organization which focuses on self-defense and second amendment rights, but is also run by the sort of people which scare me and make me glad, with towering irony and some hypocrisy, that they do fight for my rights as a gun owner. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6874 "2016-04-03T02:05:08Z")
So we had an armed stand-off in Texas: > **[Armed hate group met at Texas mosque protest by gun-toting worshipers](https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/armed-hate-group-backs-out-of-texas-mosque-protest-when-faced-with-gun-toting-worshipers/)** > > An anti-Muslim hate group planned an armed protest at an African-American mosque in Texas -- but it didn't go as planned.The group, the Bureau of American Islamic Relations, or BAIR, has made it a habit in the past to show up at mosques with... Apparently the armed anti-muslim hate group didn’t like the armed black power hate group. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6875 "2016-04-03T03:26:30Z")
> [@](#): > > The Nation of Islam was joined by the Panthers and the Huey P. Newton Gun Club in its defense of the mosque. > > “We will not allow them to come to South Dallas with arms and intimidate our people,” Yafeuh Balogun, spokesman for the Huey P. Newton Gun Club, told Fox4 last week. “We’re taking a defensive posture, but we’re not threatening anyone.” I can’t fault them for their actions or for their statements, to be honest. Gotta kinda admire them for finding a nice, peaceful, quiet way to say “fuck you (we’re armed too)”. > [@](#): > > The Panthers said they wouldn’t take it lying down. > > “We’re not doing sit-ins,” Muhammad told Fox4. “We’re straight-up standing up.” Where’s the “thumbs up” emoji on this message board? ;)😛 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6876 "2016-04-03T03:52:55Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Remember though that “less legal” is not the same as “less commonplace”. And if you think making guns illegaler will eliminate the “gun culture”, you’re starting at the wrong end of the population. Criminalization and prosecution does make misbehavior more difficult and expensive. I don’t recall anyone saying gun control measures are panaceas—they’re just steps in a sane direction. Since we’re in the Pit, let’s deprecate the silly insistence on the meme “Making XXX a crime has no effect: criminals are people that commit crimes. Duuuh.” There’s a smidgen of validity underlying the meme, but it springs from the same well of obstinence, ignorance and hypocrisy as other crazed gun-nut memes. The next time one of you crazed gun-nuts needs to trot out one of your hypocrisies, please ask your doctor to adjust your meds. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6877 "2016-04-03T12:45:44Z")
Cool. Let’s also stop fucking around and plainly admit that the ultimate destination of “steps in a sane direction” is no arms in civilian hands. While we’re at it, let’s agree that the word " compromise" should no longer be used. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6878 "2016-04-03T17:42:26Z")
First, let’s drop the pretense that “no arms in civilian hands” is Constitutionally possible. Using that false argument against further gun control is a sure giveaway that pro-gunners will indeed not use the word “compromise”. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6879 "2016-04-03T18:04:12Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > NRA board member, Second Amendment scholar, and leading hoplophile intellectual Ted Nugent recently took a break from his busy schedule of policy research to throw some support to a Detroit entrepreneur. I take considerable pleasure in how Mr Nugent has adopted Detroit as his home town, as he actually grew up in my non-Detroit high school district and often played at The Cellar, two blocks from my home. Good riddance. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6880 "2016-04-03T22:03:40Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > First, let’s drop the pretense that “no arms in civilian hands” is Constitutionally possible. Using that false argument against further gun control is a sure giveaway that pro-gunners will indeed not use the word “compromise”. It’s beyond the tired old slippery slope fallacy and into the Leave No Middle Unexcluded program. Typical of binary-only thinkers, such as seem to predominate among the strokers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=343) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=345)