# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/681 "2013-02-22T04:32:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > They could simply make an ordinary hunting rifle, like your Grandads .30-.30, but instead they make something that functions not quite as well but looks like something you get to go hunting free-range _kzinti_. You don’t know much about guns if you think using an assault rifle to hunt _kzinti_ would get you anything more than your head torn off by a slightly annoyed _kzin_. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/682 "2013-02-22T05:24:34Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sure, limiting magazine capacity make sense. And I entirely agree there is no good reason for civilians to issue themselves military weapons, they want one that bad, they can enlist. I might agreed that a magazine cap might have some small measurable effect if there weren’t already tens of millions of these things floating around out there with absolutely no way to track them. I might have agreed that it might even keep the number of these mazines at the current level if they werent so darn easy to make and with the new 3D printing you can build a magazine extender that will turn any magazine into a high capacity magazine if you switch out the springs. > [@](#): > > Changing laws isn’t likely to help much, we have to change minds, and that is the long, slow, agonizing approach. But there it is. The gun rights side merely has to present facts. I think that will probably be easier. Especially since the gun control folks are so bad at what they do. > [@](#): > > Now, if it turns out I’m wrong, and it can be done, I’ll be tickled. And I will not discourage anyone from trying. I’m a pessimist, I like being wrong. If what can be done ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/683 "2013-02-22T05:26:52Z")
> [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > You don’t know much about guns if you think using an assault rifle to hunt _kzinti_ would get you anything more than your head torn off by a slightly annoyed _kzin_. Its all about shot placement. Even the Kzin need beating hearts to kill you. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/684 "2013-02-22T05:48:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Aalaya Walker was visiting a friend in St. Petersburg Monday when they decided they wanted some late-night waffles, The Tampa Bay Times reported. So Walker began preheating the oven — unaware that her friend, JJ Sandy, 25, was storing a magazine from his .45-caliber Glock 21 in the oven. > **[U.S. News: Latest Breaking Stories, Video, and Photos on American Politics,...](https://www.nbcnews.com/us-news)** > > Get the latest news headlines and top stories from NBCNews.com. Find videos and news articles on the latest stories in the US. The best bit… > [@](#): > > Sandy wasn’t charged because he had a proper concealed weapons permit ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/685 "2013-02-22T06:43:16Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > …Why are you at the same time anti-gun but pro Everclear?.. Da fuck? Are you even trying to make sense? > [@](#): > > …Military weapons have always been popular among civilians. They are generally very well proven very well state of the art. Why not want one… Because I don’t need one? Like I said elsewhere, the only time my home was invaded by armed men, they had a warrant. And the fact that I’m more like Wavy Gravy than John Dillinger means I got an extra forty years of sex, drugs, rock 'n roll. Easy call. For me, that is. > [@](#): > > …Why don’t they attract your eye?.. Prefer round, jiggly and life-affirming. Cold, metallic, and potentially lethal kinda repels me. Funny that way. > [@](#): > > …I got it, you are a pessimistic gun grabber. Didn’t understand a word, did you? Maybe you could stop asking me questions when you can’t understand the answers? ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/686 "2013-02-22T10:16:40Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > No, if it were ever in my perceived best interest to commit suicide I wouldn’t want to lose the ability to do so. Plenty of ways to commit suicide. Drinking everclear, using an ATV, swimming. All equally as effective as using a shotgun. > [@Kable](#): > > Yeah, I know those moves. If your attacker knows them too he’ll just shoot you before you come within reach. Nope, unagi. Know when someone is sneaking up behind me from 100 feet. Can disappear out of sight of them instantly. Substitute “can tell when someone is aiming a gun at me from behind and instantly draw and fire my weapon at them” if you desire. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/687 "2013-02-22T12:26:54Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Maybe you could stop asking me questions when you can’t understand the answers? You don’t get this game. The questions are irrelevant; the answer is always, “You are a gun grabber!!1!!1!” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/688 "2013-02-22T12:42:05Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The gun rights side merely has to present facts. I think that will probably be easier. Especially since the gun control folks are so bad at what they do. And yet the NRA oppose independent research. Why do you suppose that is? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/689 "2013-02-22T13:38:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Da fuck? Are you even trying to make sense? You are on record in that resurrected GD thread saying you liked alcohol an Everclear. I think you liked the Everclear so you could dissolve some pseudoscientific herbal remedies if I recall. You do this knowing that alcohol kills more people per year than guns, yet you are fine asking for one to be outlawed and not the other, apparently because you personally like one and not the other. > [@](#): > > Because I don’t need one? Like I said elsewhere, the only time my home was invaded by armed men, they had a warrant. And the fact that I’m more like Wavy Gravy than John Dillinger means I got an extra forty years of sex, drugs, rock 'n roll. Easy call. For me, that is. OK, I accept your personal reasons for not wanting one. How come you don’t accept others personal reasons for wanting one? > [@](#): > > Prefer round, jiggly and life-affirming. Cold, metallic, and potentially lethal kinda repels me. Funny that way. OK, I take it you have given up on your argument about better function. What makes a 30-30 more “life-affirming?” The lever action was once the state of the art life taker in this country and if I’m not mistaken was used to kill a lot of Native Americans. So maybe it’s more of a nostalgia thing for you? > [@](#): > > Didn’t understand a word, did you? Maybe you could stop asking me questions when you can’t understand the answers? No I understand you completely. You want (at least) the banning of “assault weapons” and normal capacity magazines just like Feinstein, you are just more pessimistic about it, but you are a gun-grabber just like her. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/690 "2013-02-22T13:43:10Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Plenty of ways to commit suicide. Drinking everclear, using an ATV, swimming. All equally as effective as using a shotgun. True there are lots of ways to commit suicide. In Australia when guns were banned, suicide by hanging more than made up the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/691 "2013-02-22T14:04:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And yet the NRA oppose independent research. Why do you suppose that is? Because that might lead to background checks, which leads to registration, which leads to seizing guns: Gun Grabber! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/692 "2013-02-22T14:06:14Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > True there are lots of ways to commit suicide. In Australia when guns were banned, suicide by hanging more than made up the difference. Haven’t you heard of American Exceptionalism? Data from foreign countries doesn’t count, because we special. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/693 "2013-02-22T14:11:09Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Because that might lead to background checks, which leads to registration, which leads to seizing guns: Gun Grabber! Pretty good analysis. It is true that gun grabbers have poisoned their own well, which probably has to some degree hurt the cause of gun safety. But they sure sell a lot of AR15s. Heck, you can’t hardly get a revolver from Smith and Wesson right now because most resources are being directed at producing M&P rifles to keep up the the accelerated demand. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/694 "2013-02-22T14:13:10Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Haven’t you heard of American Exceptionalism? Sorry, I’m not a big fan. How about you? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/695 "2013-02-22T16:44:55Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Sorry, I’m not a big fan. How about you? Wait, don’t tell me, I know the answer! Gun Grabber!!1!1!! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/696 "2013-02-22T16:46:56Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Pretty good analysis. Yes the slippery slope works with everything; just like the Defense of Marriage Act leads inexorably to concentration camps for gays. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/697 "2013-02-22T16:53:37Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > But you think rifles should be outlawed and people should only have handguns and shotguns for defense. Nah, you can have your rifles too, I’m feeling generous > [@Kable](#): > > I did no such thing. Guns protect against all kinds of homicides including genocides. Probably handguns and shotguns not so much with regards to genocides. That’s not what you told me earlier > [@Kable](#): > > What’s wrong with the uzi pistol? It’s just a handgun which you said people should be able to have for defense. Do you not like it because it is black, or because it’s Jewish, or what? I dunno, you brought up the uzi pistol, what makes that different from a non-black, Jewish weapon? > [@Kable](#): > > You mentioned something about law abiding citizens as though it was important. The point I hoped you would see was that law abiding citizens will sometimes commit terrible atrocities if the law tells them to do so. Everybody knows that. But not doing anything about it, to me, is flawed reasoning. We need to do something about gun violence and reducing firearms is a good start ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/698 "2013-02-22T17:38:47Z")
How do we know Uzi is Jewish? Is his mom Jewish? Does he keep kosher? ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/699 "2013-02-22T20:36:14Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > Aalaya Walker was visiting a friend in St. Petersburg Monday when they decided they wanted some late-night waffles, The Tampa Bay Times reported. So Walker began preheating the oven — unaware that her friend, JJ Sandy, 25, was storing a magazine from his .45-caliber Glock 21 in the oven. > > [U.S. News: Latest Breaking Stories, Video, and Photos on American Politics, Economy, and Society | NBC News](http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/21/17045722-woman-shot-by-oven-while-trying-to-cook-waffles#comments) The only defense against a bad oven with a mag… ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/700 "2013-02-22T22:33:29Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > [U.S. News: Latest Breaking Stories, Video, and Photos on American Politics, Economy, and Society | NBC News](http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/21/17045722-woman-shot-by-oven-while-trying-to-cook-waffles#comments) > > The best bit… Nothin’ says lovin’ like bullets in the oven. I stole that joke from the Daily Kos’s weekly gun fail blog: [GunFAIL VI](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/22/1187476/-GunFAIL-VI?showAll=yes) Only 47 this week. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=36)