# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 350
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6981 "2016-05-03T10:40:53Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Not spent fantasizing about raping toddlers. How about yours? Nobody wants to rape any toddlers, **Elvis**. [Especially not this year](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/01/toddlers-have-shot-at-least-23-people-this-year/). I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at the map in that article. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6982 "2016-05-03T10:58:35Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Not spent fantasizing about raping toddlers. How about yours? Really? That’s genuine improvement for you then. Congratuations! Are you confident enough yet to say you would never do such a thing or is that too ambitious just now? My day has been okay. Unexpected expense due to a flat tire, but still okay. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6983 "2016-05-03T11:18:04Z")
Fantasizing is all you dare do anymore, given how often toddlers are packing these days, right? Pity you’re still not seeking help. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6984 "2016-05-03T13:12:40Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Considerably more likely. cite? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6985 "2016-05-03T13:18:03Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Former FFL holder here. Those forms are kept on file by the gun dealer himself. They aren’t submitted to the BATFE or other federal government agency. Tracing a gun by serial number involves starting at the manufacturer who will state to which wholesaler they sold the gun. The wholesaler can then say which dealer bought the gun from them. The dealer can then be contacted about the gun so he can check his records for who he sold it to. There is no central registry, at least at the federal level. The PA State Police does maintain a [database of handgun purchases](http://smartgunlaws.org/registration-of-firearms-in-pennsylvania/), but that has not been without controversy. The court put themselves through some circus freak level contortions to to justify the PSP’s position that the database is, somehow, not a registry. So as a former FFL, what happened to your records when you gave up your FFL? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6986 "2016-05-03T13:19:24Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Yes, so there is a registry of guns sold at each gun dealer, correct? And you honestly think that the government does not have access to those registries (or forms if you will) if they wanted to get them? The difference is that FFL records don’t help you keep track of private sales. FYI, I support gun registration (particularly handgun registration) and licensing. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6987 "2016-05-03T13:22:25Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So as a former FFL, what happened to your records when you gave up your FFL? When I decided not to renew my license, I packed those records up and shipped them to the BATFE as per regulations at the time, 1991. What they did with them, I could not say. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6988 "2016-05-03T13:23:09Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Correct, no central database. I was responding to the poster who said that registration leads to confiscation. That information is already captured, so it is easy to get in the event of “confiscation” I still don’t know how we get to a situation where confiscation at the federal level becomes a real possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6989 "2016-05-03T16:36:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I still don’t know how we get to a situation where confiscation at the federal level becomes a real possibility. I don’t either, actually. But that seems to be the reason always given for why registration is bad. My point being there is already a sort of registration now, and a recent ATF ruling has now said that FFL records can be kept electronically, so that will make getting FFL records even easier in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6990 "2016-05-03T16:37:40Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The difference is that FFL records don’t help you keep track of private sales. > > FYI, I support gun registration (particularly handgun registration) and licensing. They also don’t keep track of illegal sales, and stolen guns and whatnot. So? ---
**Author:** ![quiltguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e47774/32.png) [@quiltguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quiltguy)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6991 "2016-05-03T17:18:09Z")
A law was just passed in TN, allowing staff and faculty at colleges and universities to carry guns. All in aid of keeping students safe, should there be a crazed gunman or hostage situation. What say ye? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6992 "2016-05-03T17:31:14Z")
> [@quiltguy](#): > > A law was just passed in TN, allowing staff and faculty at colleges and universities to carry guns. All in aid of keeping students safe, should there be a crazed gunman or hostage situation. What say ye? Was any sort of training mandated? edited to add: Are the schools allowed to overrule the law and ban the use by the staff and faculty, or do they have to let them carry now? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6993 "2016-05-03T19:20:47Z")
> [@quiltguy](#): > > A law was just passed in TN, allowing staff and faculty at colleges and universities to carry guns. All in aid of keeping students safe, should there be a crazed gunman or hostage situation. What say ye? Guns make people stupid. Education is supposed to do something akin to the opposite of that. Teachers, at least, probably should not be carrying guns, since stupid teachers are not a good idea. Consider the [shooting at Seattle Pacific University](http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/05/justice/seattle-campus-shooting/): the gunman was stopped with _pepper spray_. While reloading. More guns may or may not be the answer for more guns. There do seem to be alternatives for defense. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6994 "2016-05-03T20:31:35Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > When I decided not to renew my license, I packed those records up and shipped them to the BATFE as per regulations at the time, 1991. What they did with them, I could not say. And eventually, don’t all of these records end up centralized at the federal level? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6995 "2016-05-03T20:34:08Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I don’t either, actually. But that seems to be the reason always given for why registration is bad. > > My point being there is already a sort of registration now, and a recent ATF ruling has now said that FFL records can be kept electronically, so that will make getting FFL records even easier in the future. We have had a federal registry on NFA firearms for over 80 years and we have had some liberal administrations between then and now and somehow people on that registry have been able to keep their guns. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6996 "2016-05-03T20:35:52Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > They also don’t keep track of illegal sales, and stolen guns and whatnot. So? Oh but it does help keep track of those things. If your gun is stolen, you have to report your gun stolen. If your gun is registered you have to report any sale otherwise the cops might have some questions for you when the gun you illegally sold to some criminal shows up at a crime scene somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6997 "2016-05-03T20:37:38Z")
> [@quiltguy](#): > > A law was just passed in TN, allowing staff and faculty at colleges and universities to carry guns. All in aid of keeping students safe, should there be a crazed gunman or hostage situation. What say ye? Just the faculty and staff? Meh, doesn’t bother me. As stated previously, it would be nice if the state provided funds for training. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6998 "2016-05-03T20:39:43Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Guns make people stupid. cite? > [@](#): > > Consider the [shooting at Seattle Pacific University](http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/05/justice/seattle-campus-shooting/): the gunman was stopped with _pepper spray_. While reloading. More guns may or may not be the answer for more guns. There do seem to be alternatives for defense. I don’t think anyone said that guns are the ONLY means of defense. They are sometimes the best means. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/6999 "2016-05-03T23:01:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > cite? Pardon me for being lame, but _this entire fucking thread_ is my cite. 6998 posts in 39 months. How goddam much more do you want? > [@](#): > > I don’t think anyone said that guns are the ONLY means of defense. They are sometimes the best means. Very rarely, I contend. Almost every other means is better most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7000 "2016-05-03T23:03:35Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Pardon me for being lame, but _this entire fucking thread_ is my cite. 6998 posts in 39 months. How goddam much more do you want? > . Say…you don’t suppose that it could actually be that stupid people sometimes have guns, do you? You know, kind of like how you have the internet. Your entire posting history everywhere is my cite. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=349) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=351)