# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 354
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7061 "2016-05-14T01:19:56Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Is a drunk driver a responsible driver before he gets behind the wheel drunk? Since you insist on equating guns with cars, I hope you wear a seat belt when you’re carrying your gun. Must be a bitch finding a holster for your car. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7062 "2016-05-14T12:22:06Z")
**DA** , since you prefer legal terms to uncomfortable medical ones, somehow thinking yourself to be on more solid ground in rationalizing your fetish that way: The name of the legal term varies, but a common one [“depraved indifference to human life”.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depraved-heart_murder) ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7063 "2016-05-14T19:08:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **DA** , since you prefer legal terms to uncomfortable medical ones, somehow thinking yourself to be on more solid ground in rationalizing your fetish that way: The name of the legal term varies, but a common one [“depraved indifference to human life”.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depraved-heart_murder) Sorry **ElvisL1es** , but your own cite disagrees with you. Selling a gun to someone who is legally qualified to buy and own one doesn’t meet the standard. Supporting gun ownership in general meets it even less, unless you’re prepared to expand the doctrine to totalitarian extremes. See, the law is based on this old-fashioned concept called _responsibility_, which is the rule of thumb for whether or not someone is guilty of malfeasance. Perhaps you should take up the Pro-Life cause: calling advocates of legal abortion insane and murderers would surely cement your reputation here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7064 "2016-05-14T19:16:20Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Starting Price > $5,000.00 Buy It Now Price > N/A Current Price > $65,034,000.00 > > Hah! Sorry-That’s old news. The auction [has been rebooted yet again,](http://unitedgungroup.com/auction/detail/auction/10/slug/george-zimmerman-s-gun-used-2-26-12)folks! This time, the opening bid is…$100,000! The “take me home” price is a measly half a million. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7065 "2016-05-14T19:52:33Z")
Have you ever gotten a point in your entire life, **Lumpy**? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7066 "2016-05-14T21:34:39Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Have you ever gotten a point in your entire life, **Lumpy**? I fully get your point, I just think it’s stupid and wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7067 "2016-05-21T20:49:53Z")
At the NRA’s annual meeting, the organization’s membership took a positive step by rejecting the violent and racist rhetoric of Ted Nugent, decisively voting him off the Board of Directors. Ha! Just kidding! Did I have you going? Hehe! Seriously, they just reelected him. He got the second most votes of any candidate. Look out, Ollie North, Ted’s gonna catch you in 2019! Man, the NRA loves the Nuge. Not as much as they love elder statesman Ollie North, of course, but then, who could? When Carl Rowan announced the winners, even he looked slightly taken aback that Nugent was so soundly reelected. See the video at the link. Hmm. Perhaps Rowan had also hoped Nugent – of “Two Niggers and a Stolen Truck” fame – would have finally lost the support of the nation’s gun owners. Alas. The company you keep, I suppose. > **[Ted Nugent Reelected To NRA Board After 2016 Of Hate](https://www.mediamatters.org/national-rifle-association/ted-nugent-reelected-nra-board-after-2016-hate)** ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7068 "2016-05-23T14:30:11Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > Since you insist on equating guns with cars, I hope you wear a seat belt when you’re carrying your gun. > > Must be a bitch finding a holster for your car. Is that how you think analogies work? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7069 "2016-05-23T14:34:12Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > At the NRA’s annual meeting, the organization’s membership took a positive step by rejecting the violent and racist rhetoric of Ted Nugent, decisively voting him off the Board of Directors. > > Ha! Just kidding! Did I have you going? Hehe! > > Seriously, they just reelected him. He got the second most votes of any candidate. Look out, Ollie North, Ted’s gonna catch you in 2019! Man, the NRA loves the Nuge. Not as much as they love elder statesman Ollie North, of course, but then, who could? > > When Carl Rowan announced the winners, even he looked slightly taken aback that Nugent was so soundly reelected. See the video at the link. Hmm. Perhaps Rowan had also hoped Nugent – of “Two Niggers and a Stolen Truck” fame – would have finally lost the support of the nation’s gun owners. Alas. The company you keep, I suppose. > > [http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/05/21/ted-nugent-reelected-nra-board-after-2016-hate/210481](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/05/21/ted-nugent-reelected-nra-board-after-2016-hate/210481) Is the ACLU keeping company with the Nazis and Westboro Baptist Church because they both support the first amendment? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7070 "2016-05-23T14:45:40Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Is the ACLU keeping company with the Nazis and Westboro Baptist Church because they both support the first amendment? Is that how you think analogies work? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7071 "2016-05-24T03:19:13Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Is the ACLU keeping company with the Nazis and Westboro Baptist Church because they both support the first amendment? I’m a little drunk right now, so forgive me for not having the foggiest fucking idea what you’re getting at. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7072 "2016-05-24T08:38:49Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Is the ACLU keeping company with the Nazis and Westboro Baptist Church because they both support the first amendment? > [@Bayard](#): > > I’m a little drunk right now, so forgive me for not having the foggiest fucking idea what you’re getting at. I’m stone-cold sober and haven’t a clue myself. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7073 "2016-05-24T14:25:07Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I’m a little drunk right now, so forgive me for not having the foggiest fucking idea what you’re getting at. You wrote in reference to Ted Nugent: “the company you keep, I suppose” I thought you were implying that Ted Nugent’s support of the second amendment says something about everyone that supports the second amendment. This is not an uncommon remark made by anti-gun people, that there is some sort of link between guns and racism. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7074 "2016-05-24T15:05:51Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You wrote in reference to Ted Nugent: > > “the company you keep, I suppose” > > I thought you were implying that Ted Nugent’s support of the second amendment says something about everyone that supports the second amendment. This is not an uncommon remark made by anti-gun people, that there is some sort of link between guns and racism. We’re talking about the NRA’s support of that idiot, Ted Nugent. There are thousands of members they could have put in that position that support the right to keep and bear arms, and there are several good reasons he makes a bad spokesman for the group…_if_ the NRA opposes the crap he spews out. Apparently, something besides his love for the right to keep and bear arms is touching the hearts of those that keep him in. What the fuck do _you_ think that is? This is no supposed indictment of everyone that supports the 2nd Amendment, but it certainly calls into question all those that voted for Ted. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7075 "2016-05-24T19:45:35Z")
[The Chief of Police of Portland, OR allegedly shot a friend while hunting and then lied about it to the local police.](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/05/24/1530353/-Portland-s-chief-of-police-shot-someone-last-month-and-then-lied-to-investigators-blamed-the-victim) The local police, coincidentally, being Sheriff Dave Ward of Bundy-notorious Harney County. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7076 "2016-05-24T22:14:37Z")
Third Circuit Court turns down gun maker’s appeal in Watson v. Lynch: [http://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/152859p.pdf](http://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/152859p.pdf) Long story short, a gun maker got permission to make a full-auto weapon, only to have that permission revoked after it was made and the gun confiscated without compensation. I absolutely “love” (= :smack:) this one line from the decision: > [@](#): > > We reiterated that “[a]t its core, the Second Amendment protects the right of law-abiding citizens to possess non-dangerous weapons for self-defense in the > home,” Uuuh… a “non-dangerous weapon”? Isn’t that sorta contradictory? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7077 "2016-05-25T03:15:24Z")
Yes, my comment was directed specifically at the NRA, for keeping company with – in fact energetically embracing – racist hatemonger Ted Nugent. The membership of the NRA had an opportunity to demonstrate that they are civil rights activists rather than racist gun fetishists. They passed up that opportunity. My comment was also directed more specifically at Rowan, who is black, and who seemed to have a fleeting moment of clarity when he announced the choices of the group of racist motherfuckers he’s chosen to align himself with. Do any NRA members in this thread really _like_ being represented by the likes of Oliver North, Ted Nugent, and Wayne LaPierre? Imagine if these guys moved into your neighborhood or joined an organization you cared about. Would you be happy to have them in your community? And don’t bother telling me how the NRA Board of Directors is just a meaningless honorary post. If it’s meaningless, then it costs the NRA nothing to kick Nugent off. If it’s honorary, then the membership is honoring Ted Fucking Nugent. Way to go, NRA. Excellent work, you miserable pieces of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7078 "2016-05-25T14:44:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > We’re talking about the NRA’s support of that idiot, Ted Nugent. There are thousands of members they could have put in that position that support the right to keep and bear arms, and there are several good reasons he makes a bad spokesman for the group…_if_ the NRA opposes the crap he spews out. Apparently, something besides his love for the right to keep and bear arms is touching the hearts of those that keep him in. What the fuck do _you_ think that is? This is no supposed indictment of everyone that supports the 2nd Amendment, but it certainly calls into question all those that voted for Ted. Well if the comment was not supposed to say anything about anyone other than the people that directly voted for Ted then I don’t know wtf “company you keep” means in that context. The fact of the matter is that a teeny tiny percentage of the NRA membership bothers to vote in the elections. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of vile racists in the rural south. The fact of the matter is that for totally unrelated reasons guns are popular in the rural south. Some confluence of these factors led to the re-election of Ted Nugent. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7079 "2016-05-25T14:58:39Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Yes, my comment was directed specifically at the NRA, for keeping company with – in fact energetically embracing – racist hatemonger Ted Nugent. The membership of the NRA had an opportunity to demonstrate that they are civil rights activists rather than racist gun fetishists. They passed up that opportunity. > > My comment was also directed more specifically at Rowan, who is black, and who seemed to have a fleeting moment of clarity when he announced the choices of the group of racist motherfuckers he’s chosen to align himself with. > > Do any NRA members in this thread really _like_ being represented by the likes of Oliver North, Ted Nugent, and Wayne LaPierre? Imagine if these guys moved into your neighborhood or joined an organization you cared about. Would you be happy to have them in your community? > > And don’t bother telling me how the NRA Board of Directors is just a meaningless honorary post. If it’s meaningless, then it costs the NRA nothing to kick Nugent off. If it’s honorary, then the membership is honoring Ted Fucking Nugent. > > Way to go, NRA. Excellent work, you miserable pieces of shit. The voter participation among NRA members is somewhere in the single digits. I am much more concerned about Grover Norquist than some offensive loud mouth racist. Loud mouth racism has a tendency to take care of itself. Injecting anti-government, anti-tax, anti-union, Ayn Rand style objectivism is much more toxic to the organization. It is turning the gun issue into a partisan issue when it doesn’t have to be. Guns are starting to become part of partisan orthodoxy and that is bad regardless of which side of the debate you are on. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7080 "2016-05-25T16:30:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The voter participation among NRA members is somewhere in the single digits. > > I am much more concerned about Grover Norquist than some offensive loud mouth racist. Loud mouth racism has a tendency to take care of itself. Injecting anti-government, anti-tax, anti-union, Ayn Rand style objectivism is much more toxic to the organization. It is turning the gun issue into a partisan issue when it doesn’t have to be. Guns are starting to become part of partisan orthodoxy and that is bad regardless of which side of the debate you are on. You’d think that if these board members were objectionable to the majority of NRA members _more of them would get off their asses and vote them out._ But, no-they seem happy with the status quo, with the wild and wacky and ugly statements put out by the board of the organization they pay dues to. Of course voter participation is low-when there is no real opposition to the nutcases running for office, you only need a handful of people to get them in, so there is no need to “get out the votes”, is there? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=353) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=355)