# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 357
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7121 "2016-06-30T19:42:41Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Armed law enforcement has a mission protect everyone. Some require more protection than others. It is not limited to “elites”. Yeah, right. The D.C. Capitol Police are a Federal agency serving as permanent security guards for the Capitol area, bodyguards for congressmen, and their own investigative agency for threats or crimes against members of congress. Not surprisingly, Congress votes to keep them well-funded. The mere rabble can only look on in envy, as the Supreme Court has ruled that people cannot sue the police for failing to protect them. ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7122 "2016-06-30T22:27:44Z")
Here cops don’t have to protect you. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7123 "2016-07-01T00:12:10Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Paraphrased. No, I would say badly misquoted. He was talking about concealed carry permits, not guns, and he didn’t say nobody should have them, he said he was glad they weren’t easy to get. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7124 "2016-07-01T00:22:06Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Armed law enforcement has a mission protect everyone. Some require more protection than others. It is not limited to “elites”. Some are more equal than others. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7125 "2016-07-02T00:58:48Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > [McHenry gun shop to raffle off AR-15 rifle to benefit Orlando shooting victims.](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-orlando-shooting-gun-raffle--met-20160629-story.html) > > You couldn’t make this shit up. [Critics question whether gun raffle for Orlando shooting victims is legal.](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-gun-shop-gun-raffle-orlando-shooting-met-20160701-story.html) You would have thought that these brainiacs would have known about The Illinois Raffle Act. And they’re allowed to sell firearms? But of course! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7126 "2016-07-02T18:14:32Z")
[Gun shop raffle to benefit Orlando victims canceled amid legal questions.](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-gun-shop-gun-raffle-orlando-shooting-met-20160701-story.html) Oh well… At least they had questionable intentions. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7127 "2016-07-02T20:55:13Z")
That AR-15 is advertised as the “Homeland Defender” model. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7128 "2016-07-03T01:48:42Z")
Is it just me, or does anybody else think Brexit sounds like a brand of shredded wheat? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7129 "2016-07-03T07:19:22Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Is it just me, or does anybody else think Brexit sounds like a brand of shredded wheat? Now that you mention it dropzone … ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7130 "2016-07-04T12:34:41Z")
Just so you know, [sanity is winning](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/29/american-gun-ownership-is-now-at-a-30-year-low/). Agonizingly slowly, and with painful setbacks, but as inexorably as ever. > [@](#): > > The percent of American households owning guns is at a near-40 year low in the latest CBS News poll released this month. > > According to the survey, which was conducted among 1,001 Americans in the aftermath of the Orlando nightclub shooting, 36 percent of U.S. adults either own a firearm personally, or live with someone who does. That’s the lowest rate of gun ownership in the CBS poll going back to 1978. It’s down 17 points from the highest recorded rate in 1994, and nearly 10 percentage points from 2012. The right-to-kill view is in a minority, and a shrinking one, as it must be. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7131 "2016-07-04T20:24:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Just so you know, [sanity is winning](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/29/american-gun-ownership-is-now-at-a-30-year-low/). Agonizingly slowly, and with painful setbacks, but as inexorably as ever.The right-to-kill view is in a minority, and a shrinking one, as it must be. Possibly, fewer people are admitting they secretly own guns- thanks to banners like you. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7132 "2016-07-04T21:29:17Z")
[This tragedy in Florida is brought to you by guns: > [@](#): > > Authorities say a 14-year-old boy was accidentally shot and killed by his father at a Florida gun range. > > William Brumby was firing his weapon at the High Noon Gun Range in Sarasota on Sunday when a spent shell casing deflected off a nearby wall and landed inside the back of his shirt. > > A statement from the Sarasota County Sheriff’s Office says Brumby tried to remove the shell with his right hand, which was holding the gun and accidentally fired the gun at his son, who was standing directly behind him. > > Stephen J. Brumby, later died at a hospital. ]([http://bigstory.ap.org/article/75850caff6914579b0888e327ec5c38d/father-accidentally-shoots-teenage-son-florida-gun-range](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/75850caff6914579b0888e327ec5c38d/father-accidentally-shoots-teenage-son-florida-gun-range)) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7133 "2016-07-05T00:37:53Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Possibly, fewer people are admitting they secretly own guns- thanks to banners like you. What possible reason would they have to lie? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7134 "2016-07-05T02:19:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [Corrected link.](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-mother-killed-cops-fatally-shooting-daughters-article-1.2687929) > edited to add: This story is truly horrible and nightmarish. I wish it were not the case that news stories like this were so common. If the news were mostly stories about heroic gun-carrying citizens taking out evildoers like home invaders, robbers, or rapists before they could cause harm, or much harm, it would be pretty easy to defend my political positions, because then I’d be pro-gun. It would be so much easier if what I cited as evidence for what I believe were essentially positive news stories of heroes winning. I’m sure such stories are easy to cling to for gun owners. Citing them bolsters a pro-gun viewpoint, and those stories are ones to be proud of. When and where they exist, which is rare, especially compared to the evidence against. This story is all the reasons why I think the way I do, and it should be my “side’s” trump card. But when I read it, all I can think of is how terrible it is for the people affected. Why is this an argument for my “side”? Why is my side even a side? It feels disgusting to cite the particular details of a family and community’s tragedy to push an agenda. There’s no pride involved when citing it. There’s nothing to boast about to win some online argument or political debate. Good things that can be cited for my side are statistics, evidence of absence, the murders that did not get reported. The lowering of violence. Success stories in other countries. But none of that really has the same impact. On one side, you get the rare hero who stops an atrocity before it gets out of hand. The hero story. On the other side, you get mountains of tragedies where no one wins. This story isn’t some wonderful thing that I can excitedly share with people to bolster my point of view. Yet it should be part of the debate, even if (preferably) in the abstract. Someone \*not \*dying is \*not \*news. It’s not exciting and it’s not morale-boosting, even though it should be. But whether it is news or not, that’s the goal. There’s no victory party when my side of the argument wins the day and our goals are achieved, because nothing actually happens if we win. And that’s the point. And nothing we do actually brings back this man’s heart from being broken to pieces, nor his daughters who died senselessly. So where is the feeling of victory, in fighting this particular good fight? The endless depressing stories… make the arguments seem pointless, futile, and demoralizing. I’m not in it for the feeling of victory, either, because I know it’s never going to come, even if we make a difference. It’s just that sometimes I get really jealous of the opposing side of this debate. The heroic and optimistic viewpoint that guns cure and stop violence because they’re being held mostly by good and skilled people is such an attractive narrative, compared to all this real suffering. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7135 "2016-07-05T06:47:16Z")
[I gots this gun, and it seems so depressed from not being used for anything](http://www.oregonlive.com/milwaukie/index.ssf/2016/06/elderly_woman_killed_by_stray.html), \*Noelle St. John was standing in the doorway of a third-floor unit at the Clackamas Trails Apartments around 11 p.m. Friday as she fired the handgun, said Clackamas County Sheriff’s Sgt. Brian Jensen. The bullet traveled from the top floor into a first-floor apartment at least 100 feet away and hit (80-year-old) Donna McQueen, Jensen said. Deputies investigated the shooting on Friday, but left after not finding any victims. McQueen’s daughter discovered her dead in the unit Saturday morning after going to check on her, neighbors in the 306-unit complex on Southeast Cook Court said. McQueen lived alone with her Siamese cat, loved art and gardening, one said. St. John was booked Sunday into the Clackamas County Jail … on charges of first- and second-degree manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide. The shooting appeared to be unintentional, Jensen said. He didn’t know why she fired the gun.\* ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7136 "2016-07-05T08:10:27Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What possible reason would they have to lie? Some gun owners are frightened, paranoid people. \*\*Lumpy \*\*appears to think this is a statistically significant subset of the population of American gun owners. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7137 "2016-07-05T08:42:29Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Some gun owners are frightened, paranoid people. \*\*Lumpy \*\*appears to think this is a statistically significant subset of the population of American gun owners. Or they cannot tell the difference between someone like **ElvisL1ves** and an arras. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7138 "2016-07-05T11:07:01Z")
I look like a city in France? Well, okay then. Sure like to hear \*\*Lumpy \*\*offer his own explanation for “lying” about gun ownership, to whatever extent he thinks it exists. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7139 "2016-07-05T16:34:22Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I look like a city in France? Well, okay then. He called you a “banner”. I guess that means that you, like, hang around on a wall. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7140 "2016-07-05T16:44:57Z")
The Joliet Il Patch online newspaper is tabloid sensationalism with crappy writing. That said: COYOTES! OPEN FIRE!! > **[Mom Spots Coyotes, Husband and Son Open Fire, Shoot Up Neighbors’ Place By...](https://patch.com/illinois/joliet/mom-spots-coyotes-husband-son-open-fire-shoot-neighbors-place-mistake-cops)** > > They didn't mean to shoot up the neighbors' house but they still went to jail for it, police said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=356) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=358)