# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 358
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7141 "2016-07-05T16:50:20Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > This story is all the reasons why I think the way I do, and it should be my “side’s” trump card. But when I read it, all I can think of is how terrible it is for the people affected. Why is this an argument for my “side”? Why is my side even a side? No gun owner is going to deny that incidents like this are tragedies. But to jump from that to “gun ownership should be heavily restricted” is where gun owners say “whoa, wait a second…”. Hideous accidents happen in kitchens with hot oil, but nobody says deep fryers should be banned as too dangerous for household use. It’s that gun owners see a positive utility in gun ownership, that gun control advocates apparently do not. BTW, thank you for at least not sinking to an **ElvisL1ves** -level of derision for gun owners. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7142 "2016-07-05T16:55:02Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > ISure like to hear \*\*Lumpy \*\*offer his own explanation for “lying” about gun ownership, to whatever extent he thinks it exists. Google guns and “tragic boating accident” 😉 Gun owners have been hedging against a worst-case scenario for **decades**. Bans will remove guns from America? Yeah, right. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7143 "2016-07-05T18:52:26Z")
Not from America, just law-abiding gun owners. Criminals will just keep right on ignoring the law. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7144 "2016-07-05T19:35:40Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > Not from America, just law-abiding gun owners. Criminals will just keep right on ignoring the law. Then we should have no laws for anything at all, since criminals ignore those laws also. God, some people are willfully ignorant, and will resist any effort to disabuse them of their ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7145 "2016-07-05T19:51:29Z")
We shouldn’t require people to have driver’s licenses and insurance, because criminals will just drive anyway. We shouldn’t put locks on the doors of our houses, because criminals will break in anyway. We shouldn’t have bodyguards for the President, because criminals will just find a way to kill him/her anyway. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7146 "2016-07-05T21:01:47Z")
More people with more guns will make criminals more afraid. And that is a good thing because fear gives rise to anger. More dead people is good. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7147 "2016-07-05T21:12:23Z")
When I saw this thread updated I thought it would be [this](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/father-who-killed-son-at-gun-range-wont-blame-guns-for-death/ar-AAi76W6?li=BBnb4R7) story. So this father wanted to teach his son “how to be a man” by teaching him how to responsibly shoot and ends up killing the kid by being almost inconceivably stupid with a loaded gun in his hand. Seriously, does this idiot also use a loaded gun to scratch his back? Yes, I feel bad that he lost his son but he deserves every bit of guilt he feels and the fact that he is using this to solicit money makes me sick. ---
**Author:** ![pidgeon92](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/50afbb/32.png) [@pidgeon92](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pidgeon92)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7148 "2016-07-05T21:18:11Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Yes, I feel bad that he lost his son but he deserves every bit of guilt he feels and the fact that he is using this to solicit money makes me sick. They’re up to 25K in the gofundme campaign. How long before he accidentally shoots another one? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7149 "2016-07-05T21:18:44Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The Joliet Il Patch online newspaper is tabloid sensationalism with crappy writing. That said: COYOTES! OPEN FIRE!! > > [Mom Spots Coyotes, Husband and Son Open Fire, Shoot Up Neighbors' Place By Mistake: Cops | Joliet, IL Patch](http://patch.com/illinois/joliet/mom-spots-coyotes-husband-son-open-fire-shoot-neighbors-place-mistake-cops) Pardon me for quoting myself, but I insecurely feel that my link was ignored. (It’s Patch, so I don’t blame anyone.) What these fellas lacked in middle of the night coyote shooting skills they made up for with “excuse us, were you sleeping?” neighbor’s house shooting ability. DGU right there. Damn Guys Ur house is all fucked up now! ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7150 "2016-07-05T21:30:58Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > When I saw this thread updated I thought it would be [this](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/father-who-killed-son-at-gun-range-wont-blame-guns-for-death/ar-AAi76W6?li=BBnb4R7) story. So this father wanted to teach his son “how to be a man” by teaching him how to responsibly shoot and ends up killing the kid by being almost inconceivably stupid with a loaded gun in his hand. Seriously, does this idiot also use a loaded gun to scratch his back? Yes, I feel bad that he lost his son but he deserves every bit of guilt he feels and the fact that he is using this to solicit money makes me sick. They started the gofundme campaign with a goal of $10,000. So far they’ve raised $25,253. While not ignoring the idiocy of this man, to be fair it’s possible that funeral and burial expenses could be as much as $10,000. Of course they’ve now raised more than twice that amount, so I hope that whatever’s left over goes toward promoting gun safety or something similar. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7151 "2016-07-05T21:36:15Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Pardon me for quoting myself, but I insecurely feel that my link was ignored. (It’s Patch, so I don’t blame anyone.) > What these fellas lacked in middle of the night coyote shooting skills they made up for with “excuse us, were you sleeping?” neighbor’s house shooting ability. > DGU right there. > Damn Guys Ur house is all fucked up now! You can’t blame the guns for this. The house shouldn’t have gotten in the way! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7152 "2016-07-05T22:08:33Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > No gun owner is going to deny that incidents like this are tragedies. But to jump from that to “gun ownership should be heavily restricted” is where gun owners say “whoa, wait a second…”. This “responsible, law-abiding citizen” just killed his son. Tell us, is there a way the kid might still be alive? Or is this just another of the deaths that the fetishists tell us is “acceptable” in the cause of the Holy Second Commandment? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7153 "2016-07-05T22:17:45Z")
Now the Dad is saying, “the gun didn’t kill my son, I did.” Okay. So, if they DIDN’T have the bleeding gun, the kid would be alive and happy! WTF? Hell, if they were at a knife-throwing range, there wouldn’t be any hot shell casing in anyone’s shirt or any guns to go off! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7154 "2016-07-05T22:56:46Z")
Or he’d have found some way to accidentally stab him, or run him over with a car, or drown him in the swimming pool, or dunked him in the fryer. Kid was gonna die no matter what, right? ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7155 "2016-07-06T00:40:01Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Then we should have no laws for anything at all, since criminals ignore those laws also. God, some people are willfully ignorant, and will resist any effort to disabuse them of their ignorance. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > This “responsible, law-abiding citizen” just killed his son. Tell us, is there a way the kid might still be alive? Or is this just another of the deaths that the fetishists tell us is “acceptable” in the cause of the Holy Second Commandment? :dubious: Gun deaths are actually the 7th on the list of preventable causes of death. So why go after guns? Because it’s easier to tell someone else to give up their weapons than it is to put down the fork and push away from the table. Or to not light up. But hey, control and responsibility is hard when you’re the one it applies to. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7156 "2016-07-06T00:58:44Z")
No one ever walked into a night club and killed 49 people by eating too much funnel cake. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7157 "2016-07-06T01:22:20Z")
There are no other causes that have a faction devoted to strenuously resisting doing anything about it, are they? If you’d care to list the causes, we could see together which other ones represent a threat to other, innocent people. You know all that, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7158 "2016-07-06T02:00:36Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > There are no other causes that have a faction devoted to strenuously resisting doing anything about it, are they? > > If you’d care to list the causes, we could see together which other ones represent a threat to other, innocent people. > > You know all that, don’t you? [The Most Preventable Causes of Death in the U.S.](https://www.healthaliciousness.com/blog/The-Most-Preventable-Causes%20of%20Death-in-the-United-States.php) 1. Smoking. According to the [CDC](http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/), over 40,000 deaths can be attributed to secondhand smoke each year. (-v- [11,000 gun homicides](http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm)) 2. Obesity. Nevermind, childhood obesity is totally the kid’s fault. 3. Alcohol. The innocent victims here probably are probably counted in #6. 4. Infectious disease. 5. Toxins. Presumably all victims are innocent of this one. 6. Automobile accidents. Including innocent victims of drunk drivers from #3. 7. Guns. Finally something you can demonize and pass do-nothing feel-good legislation against and claim you at least tried since the big bad NRA won’t let you ban and confiscate them all. Try for a ban on tobacco and you’ll find out whose payroll the politicians are really on. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7159 "2016-07-06T04:27:05Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > So why go after guns? Simply because guns make people stupid. From what I can tell, there appears to be around a 12~15% drop in CSIQ when any given person has a gun in hand. A few folks have a MoE that accommodates that, but the average for American, that kind of mental handicap is a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7160 "2016-07-06T07:15:43Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > Gun deaths are actually the 7th on the list of preventable causes of death. > > So why go after guns? > > Because it’s easier to tell someone else to give up their weapons than it is to put down the fork and push away from the table. Or to not light up. But hey, control and responsibility is hard when you’re the one it applies to. So, are you advocating a ban on french fries? A ban on cigarettes? If a study showed that rape was only 7th on a list of events that cause emotional trauma, would you advocate legalizing rape? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=357) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=359)