# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 362
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7221 "2016-07-12T15:01:53Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > You’re the one who insists that every gun owner is a threat to your personal safety. …says the person who has guns because other gun owners are a threat to his personal safety. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7222 "2016-07-16T23:59:45Z")
This is for the gundamentalist fuckwits: One more thing. I was out on a dirt road on the border between Hinterlandia and BFE, just kind of poking around, enjoying the wasteland. Which was covered with casing and 12-gauge cartridge shells. You lazy, chickenshit assholes. I am not even sure I care about the rotting deer, elk and bear carcasses someone tossed in the gully, pick up your goddam gun litter! What? _You_ do? The fuck you do. No one _ever_ does. Not the turd poachers, not the gun range instructors, not the police. This kind of behavior is just fucking bullshit, and you who praise your beautiful steel do absolutely nothing to address it. Dumbshits. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7223 "2016-07-17T13:29:29Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > …says the person who has guns because other gun owners are a threat to his personal safety. [These people](http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4153852-3x2-940x627.jpg) have no guns; yet oddly enough I’d want a gun if I met them. Guess that makes me a “coward”. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7224 "2016-07-17T16:15:18Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > [These people](http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4153852-3x2-940x627.jpg) have no guns; yet oddly enough I’d want a gun if I met them. Guess that makes me a “coward”. Do you come in contact with a lot of Australian gangs? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7225 "2016-07-17T16:48:02Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Do you come in contact with a lot of Australian gangs? How prevalent do incidents of assault in my neighborhood have to be before I “need” a gun? :rolleyes: This is why gun owners pushed for Shall Issue. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7226 "2016-07-17T18:35:18Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > How prevalent do incidents of assault in my neighborhood have to be before I “need” a gun? More often than Tombstone, Arizona [in the Old West](http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/23/nation/la-na-tombstone-20110123)? > [@](#): > > Back then, Tombstone had far stricter gun control than it does today. In fact, the American West’s most infamous gun battle erupted when the marshal tried to enforce a local ordinance that barred carrying firearms in public. A judge had fined one of the victims $25 earlier that day for packing a pistol. > > “You could wear your gun into town, but you had to check it at the sheriff’s office or the Grand Hotel, and you couldn’t pick it up again until you were leaving town,” said Bob Boze Bell, executive editor of True West Magazine, which celebrates the Old West. “It was an effort to control the violence.” ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7227 "2016-07-17T18:51:57Z")
I don’t know if this belongs in this thread, in the “Controversial Encounters” thread, or in the “God Make It All Stop” thread, but at least three cops were killed and others wounded in Baton Rouge this morning. > **[Google News](https://news.google.com/home?caurl=https:%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fmorning-mix%2Fwp%2F2016%2F07%2F17%2Fbaton-rouge-mayors-office-at-least-2-officers-fatally-shot%2F&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en)** > > Comprehensive up-to-date news coverage, aggregated from sources all over the world by Google News. One suspect is dead. Others may be at large. As someone said here, for decades the Second Amendment fundamentalists have been telling us we need guns to protect ourselves from government oppression. It’s not only guys like Cliven Bundy and Randy Weaver who feel oppressed. How are those “Second Amendment solutions” working out for ya? (Yes, I know we don’t know anything about the suspects or their motives. It could have been an arrest gone bad, or a roving band of Unitarians or something. I don’t know.) ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7228 "2016-07-17T19:05:00Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > How prevalent do incidents of assault in my neighborhood have to be before I “need” a gun? :rolleyes: > > This is why gun owners pushed for Shall Issue. I don’t care, but as a neighbor who is as likely to be a victim of your dumb ass as I am some bat wielding gang, I’d like to have some input as to what weapon you have, what training you receive, and other safety measures you employ. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7229 "2016-07-17T20:42:44Z")
As stated before, if you’re going around armed “just in case there’s trouble”, then _you’re_ looking for trouble. _You’re_ the bad guy. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7230 "2016-07-17T23:05:25Z")
[High-ranking Cleveland “cop” turns against America, calls for Constitution to be suspended.](http://cbs4indy.com/2016/07/17/cleveland-police-union-asking-governor-to-ban-open-carrying-of-guns-during-rnc/) The city is proudly hosting the Party That Loves America and Guns So Very Very Big, and the police are calling for gun-grabbing. :smack: > [@](#): > > "I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not at this point,” Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association, told CNN. So the only people in Cleveland with guns will be Muslims, BLM thugs and Berneyites. :smack: Stephen Loomis should be arrested and charged with treason. I hope Republican delegates band together and agree to boycott the Convention if the city denies their constitutional right. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7231 "2016-07-17T23:21:01Z")
Oddly enough, in the many years since I first got my carry permit I have never once drawn my firearm in a fit of anger, or fired off random shots just to be a yahoo, or taken it upon myself to police my neighborhood. I also haven’t shot myself or anyone else while cleaning my gun, have never left it where a child could get it, or shot through the front door when someone rang the doorbell. In fact, chances seem excellent that none of those things will happen in the remainder of my natural life. Is it really that hard to believe that carrying a gun isn’t _prima facie_ proof that someone is a dangerous kook? ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7232 "2016-07-18T01:18:09Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [High-ranking Cleveland “cop” turns against America, calls for Constitution to be suspended.](http://cbs4indy.com/2016/07/17/cleveland-police-union-asking-governor-to-ban-open-carrying-of-guns-during-rnc/) > The city is proudly hosting the Party That Loves America and Guns So Very Very Big, and the police are calling for gun-grabbing. :smack: > > So the only people in Cleveland with guns will be Muslims, BLM thugs and Berneyites. :smack: Stephen Loomis should be arrested and charged with treason. > > I hope Republican delegates band together and agree to boycott the Convention if the city denies their constitutional right. You’re going to be awfully proud of yourself when the city of Cleveland runs out of both ammunition and body bags, aren’t you? Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7233 "2016-07-18T01:28:15Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > You’re going to be awfully proud of yourself when the city of Cleveland runs out of both ammunition and body bags, aren’t you? Will you concede anything when that _doesn’t_ happen? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7234 "2016-07-18T01:49:40Z")
The stupidest gun-related news I’ve heard today is that some Case Western Reserve University students and faculty are [protesting](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/us/college-at-odds-with-students-over-housing-police-for-cleveland-convention.html?_r=0) the housing of out-of-town police officers in dorm space (they’re in town to provide extra security during the Republican convention). You see, those officers will be carrying _guns_ (though they’ll be secured and not in the dorms while the officers are residing there), and this signifies University support for _the police state_. A [Change.org](http://Change.org) petition got started because this is all so _upsetting_. _"The petition demanded that the police store their gear and weapons off campus; that they not enter university-owned buildings other than their assigned dorms; that they not use alcohol or mind-altering drugs_; and that they abide by campus rules governing sexual harassment, anti-discrimination and the use of weapons.\* \*my irony meter exploded into ten thousand microscopic fragments on reading that one. Actually, there may well be reason for CWRU students and faculty to feel a bit uneasy during the convention - not because police will hassle them, but nutcases (from on or off campus) might see those officers as a tempting target for violence. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7235 "2016-07-18T02:42:59Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Is it really that hard to believe that carrying a gun isn’t _prima facie_ proof that someone is a dangerous kook? Yes. I’ve spent years at firing ranges and gun shops. Gun owners scare the shit out of me. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7236 "2016-07-18T09:56:43Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Oddly enough, in the many years since I first got my carry permit I have never once drawn my firearm in a fit of anger, or fired off random shots just to be a yahoo, or taken it upon myself to police my neighborhood. _Yet_. Which, as you keep getting told but without effect, is what many, many gun owners have thought right up until the moment it wasn’t true anymore. You’ve been asked multiple times what makes you different, but you have declined to answer - and you know why as well as we do. > [@](#): > > Is it really that hard to believe that carrying a gun isn’t _prima facie_ proof that someone is a dangerous kook? Not if you’re going to use yourself as an example. Is it really that hard to believe that people who are armed are more dangerous than people who are not? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7237 "2016-07-18T12:14:55Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > _Yet_. Which, as you keep getting told but without effect, is what many, many gun owners have thought right up until the moment it wasn’t true anymore. You’ve been asked multiple times what makes you different, but you have declined to answer - and you know why as well as we do. You make that sound like it’s _ **inevitable** _. But unless you’re granting me immortality, it is in fact highly likely that I won’t live long enough to do any of those things. Just like the overwhelming majority of people who owned guns all their adult lives. > [@](#): > > Is it really that hard to believe that people who are armed are more dangerous than people who are not? :rolleyes: Yes, people with arms are more dangerous than amputees. Why, I could just walk right up to you and punch you! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7238 "2016-07-18T12:36:03Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > You make that sound like it’s _ **inevitable** _. But unless you’re granting me immortality, it is in fact highly likely that I won’t live long enough to do any of those things. Just like the overwhelming majority of people who owned guns all their adult lives. > > Yes, people with arms are more dangerous than amputees. Why, I could just walk right up to you and punch you! I’d love to see you punch fifty people in a gay nightclub. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7239 "2016-07-18T12:56:46Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Will you concede anything when that _doesn’t_ happen? Cleveland Glocks… Cleveland Glocks… Cleveland Glocks… Cleveland Glocks??? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7240 "2016-07-18T13:41:34Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Oddly enough, in the many years since I first got my carry permit I have never once drawn my firearm in a fit of anger, or fired off random shots just to be a yahoo, or taken it upon myself to police my neighborhood. I also haven’t shot myself or anyone else while cleaning my gun, have never left it where a child could get it, or shot through the front door when someone rang the doorbell. In fact, chances seem excellent that none of those things will happen in the remainder of my natural life. > > Is it really that hard to believe that carrying a gun isn’t _prima facie_ proof that someone is a dangerous kook? The _average_ American gun owner is responsible for 0.005 shooting deaths, or thereabouts. So you’re behind the average, but only a little bit. You’ve told us what the gun hasn’t done for you; anything positive to report? Does it give you a warm feeling? Do you holster it near your crotch? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=361) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=363)