# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 363
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7241 "2016-07-18T21:22:24Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You’ve told us what the gun hasn’t done for you; anything positive to report? Does it give you a warm feeling? Do you holster it near your crotch? Hardy-har-har. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7242 "2016-07-18T21:24:10Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Yes. I’ve spent years at firing ranges and gun shops. Gun owners scare the shit out of me. How is it you’ve spent so much time in shops and ranges? ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7243 "2016-07-18T22:36:39Z")
[A responsible gun owner successfully defends his home from drunk teens who have the wrong address for a friend.](http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/07/chicopee_shooting_leaves_15-ye.html#incart_breaking) ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7244 "2016-07-19T02:14:58Z")
> [@Reyemile](#): > > [A responsible gun owner successfully defends his home from drunk teens who have the wrong address for a friend.](http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/07/chicopee_shooting_leaves_15-ye.html#incart_breaking) > [@](#): > > Police initially received a call of a breaking and entering into the home in the Fairview section of the city. When they arrived, they found the teenager on the ground suffering from a gunshot wound to his abdomen, Wilk said. > > “It was determined that three parties went to the residence believing it to be (the home of) a friend. One party, the victim, was banging on the outside door, when the homeowner shot through the door, striking the male,” Wilk said. > > * * * > > Lovell, the homeowner, tried to communicate with the victim, who was still knocking on the locked door, Leydon said. > > “When a pane of glass broke, the suspect fired a single shot, striking the victim,” Leydon said. > > * * * > > On his Facebook page, Lovell has a picture of him aiming a gun as the main picture. He also has posted several things supporting the Second Amendment. Someone banging on the door long and hard enough to break glass with the homeowner presumably yelling through the door to go away or that he was armed or that the police had been called. Fires a single shot after the glass broke. If this had been a known felon rather than someone’s 15yo kid, Mr Lovell would be sleeping in his own bed tonight. The comment about facebook is also sufficiently vague enough to be suspicious in itself. If he had been pointing a big scary black “assault rifle” they would have thrown that up there in bold print. Probably even put the pic up with the other 12 in the article. I’d bet that the picture is of him with a hunting rifle or maybe even a super soaker knowing the state of the press these days. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7245 "2016-07-19T11:24:55Z")
Do known felons tend to knock first? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7246 "2016-07-19T15:59:55Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Do known felons tend to knock first? No, but drunk/high/psychotic people sometimes do. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7247 "2016-07-19T17:04:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Do known felons tend to knock first? For home invasions? [It happens:](http://www.latimes.com/tn-blr-robbery-suspects-face-felony-charges-for-robbery-burglary-and-id-theft-20150316-story.html) > [@](#): > > At around 4:15 p.m. on Nov. 1, **the two men reportedly knocked on the front door** of the hillside home, located in the 1300 block of Paseo Redondo, claiming to have a mail delivery, authorities said. > > When the housekeeper opened the door, the men — one of whom was wearing a ski mask and armed with a handgun — allegedly forced their way inside. ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7248 "2016-07-19T20:45:36Z")
Know who else knocks and then breaks the glass if they don’t hear you answer? Firemen. There’s no way this was a good shoot and it’s horrifying that anyone would defend it. He shot blind through a door with no idea who or what his target was. Inexcusable. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7249 "2016-07-19T22:58:52Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Do known felons tend to knock first? Frequently enough. [Heilman told police he awoke Saturday morning to the sounds of someone pounding on his door. He didn’t leave his bedroom and called 911, and then he heard his door break open and several people enter his house, court records show.](http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2016/07/woman_pleads_guilty_in_home_in.html) > [@Reyemile](#): > > Know who else knocks and then breaks the glass if they don’t hear you answer? Firemen. There’s no way this was a good shoot and it’s horrifying that anyone would defend it. He shot blind through a door with no idea who or what his target was. Inexcusable. You know who announces themselves when attempting forcible entrance into a home? People who have a legitimate reason to break in. You know who responds when someone inside is challenging their intentions? The same group. Even odds that the charges will be dismissed once the bleeding hearts get tired of standing on their soapboxes gnashing their teeth and beating their outraged breasts. Soapboxes that would never have been pulled out if the trespasser had been a felon because not all lives are sympathetic enough to inspire their ire. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7250 "2016-07-19T23:03:10Z")
That’s not the same case as the teenager who was shot _through_ the door when he thought he was at his friend’s house. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7251 "2016-07-21T02:56:05Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > How is it you’ve spent so much time in shops and ranges? I sell urinal cakes to gun shops. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7252 "2016-07-21T14:29:44Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > You’re going to be awfully proud of yourself when the city of Cleveland runs out of both ammunition and body bags, aren’t you? > [@Lumpy](#): > > Will you concede anything when that _doesn’t_ happen? Well? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7253 "2016-07-21T15:03:23Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > I sell urinal cakes to gun shops. Novelty ones, with little bulls-eyes or cross-hairs on them? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7254 "2016-07-21T15:05:18Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > Novelty ones, with little bulls-eyes or cross-hairs on them? 🙂 Most likely those are the ones that sells along with the ones with Obama’s face. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7255 "2016-07-23T18:46:36Z")
University of Delaware denies own skeet team funding for practice ammo: > **[College rifle, pistol-shooting clubs under fire, underfunded amid gun debate](https://www.foxnews.com/us/college-rifle-pistol-shooting-clubs-under-fire-underfunded-amid-gun-debate)** > > Zoe Callaway enjoys going to the rifle range to blow off steam, help fellow University of Delaware students learn gun safety and hone her sharp-shooting skills, but lately she and some classmates feel they are being targeted over their enthusiasm for... ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7256 "2016-07-23T18:55:25Z")
Massachusetts Attorney General claims authority to prosecute sale of rifles “substantially like” explicitly banned guns: > **[Massachusetts attorney general bans 'copycat' assault weapons](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-massachusetts-guns-idUSKCN1002XL)** > > Massachusetts will ban the sale of "copycat" assault-style weapons similar to those increasingly used in mass shootings, state Attorney General Maura Healey said on Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7257 "2016-07-23T19:04:26Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > University of Delaware denies own skeet team funding for practice ammo: > > [College rifle, pistol-shooting clubs under fire, underfunded amid gun debate | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/22/college-rifle-pistol-shooting-clubs-under-fire-underfunded-amid-gun-debate.html) That “article”, such as it is, claims that UD pulled finding due to student pressure, but it quotes a total of zero sources to back that up. If there was widespread opposition to the funding, surely they could have found a student or two to interview. What did the faculty think? University administration? No clue, since they weren’t interviewed. Did they decline to comment? No clue, because the report didn’t say. UD is raising tuition. Are they reassessing budget priorities and cutting back on providing charity to non-school-run extracurricular groups? Your guess is as good as mine. But we did hear from a lot of whiny gun hobbyists with chips on their shoulders, so that’s something I guess. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7258 "2016-07-24T23:13:55Z")
Just to put the partisan fearmongering [in perspective](http://www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/), more Americans are killed by \*toddlers \* than by terrorists. Law abiding citizens who never thought it could happen to them etc. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7259 "2016-07-24T23:31:09Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Anyone from the government who might be asking. Let me see if I got this correctly. You gun nuts are all about law-and-order and the sanctity of God’s Second Commandment. And you brag about how you’ll break the law by making false statements to law enforcement officers. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7260 "2016-07-25T10:05:59Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Let me see if I got this correctly. > > You gun nuts are all about law-and-order and the sanctity of God’s Second Commandment. > > And you brag about how you’ll break the law by making false statements to law enforcement officers. While **Lumpy** ’s views are…problematic… in many respects, it is not (or not in all contexts) illegal to lie to law enforcement officers, although doing so may have later negative consequences for you (as per the standard Miranda text). The wider point about potential hypocrisy stands, however. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=362) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=364)