# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 369
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7361 "2016-09-15T13:56:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > IOW, no u. > > Okay, maybe you’re only five. > > You demand data? It’s all been rubbed in your face repeatedly through the course of this thread, but if it conflicts with your psychopathy, the psychopathy wins. Opinion /= data Anecdote /= data Correlation /= causation Noone takes you seriously anymore. Credibility is earned and you are so deep in the red that its probably better for you to just get rid of this username and start fresh. > [@](#): > > Now please drop the claim that you care about human life. You aren’t very good at imitating the normals. Like you would know what normal looks like. pfft. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7362 "2016-09-15T13:59:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > IOW, no u. No, its fact, Trump supported an Assault Weapons ban just like you. He is immune to logic and reason just like you. He knows nothing but is sure about everything, just like you. You are losing at the game of life. I suspect that everyone around you thinks you are a loser and I suspect you know that they think this. ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7363 "2016-09-15T14:33:10Z")
You really weren’t kidding about the no longer being civil thing. I think you are right however, so good on you. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7364 "2016-09-15T22:11:16Z")
Talking about a certain number of killings being “acceptable” as long as it doesn’t inconvenience gunstrokers is hardly “civil”. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7365 "2016-09-15T22:13:37Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Opinion /= data Sigh… reread the damn thread, then. Don’t pretend you haven’t been shown, multiple times. Your denial is not anybody else’s mental health issue. > [@](#): > > Noone takes you seriously anymore. No one? Really? 😛 Okay, maybe you aren’t even five, talking that way. > [@](#): > > Like you would know what normal looks like. pfft. I value human life. You only try to mimic it - and you fail. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7366 "2016-09-15T22:43:21Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > More stupid. > > Armed teacher [arrested for child endangerment](http://www.publicopiniononline.com/story/news/2016/09/12/teacher-resigns-after-child-finds-her-loaded-gun-school/90280916/) after leaving loaded pistol on back of toilet in school bathroom. If you cannot put your gun where you will remember to take it with you, you should not be taking your gun into the shitter – hell, you should not be carrying a gun around in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7367 "2016-09-16T23:30:53Z")
Major trial in Portland, of a bunch of gun-toting morons: [a man was stopped near the courthouse carrying a rifle wrapped in a towel](http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/malheur-occupation-trial-man-with-rifle/). Which brings up an important issue: yes, the rifle was empty – but the average person cannot necessarily discern a loaded weapon from one which is not. Any gun represents a threat when it is pointed at you, because you cannot be certain that it cannot introduce lead into unwanted places. Unless you can clearly see that it is a starter pistol or is leaking water. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2016, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7368 "2016-09-24T07:11:21Z")
[Hey, let’s have another shooting](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-washington-crime-shooting-idUSKCN11U02L). How about in a mall, up in some out of the way far corner of the country. How about 3 or 4 fatalities, in a nice overpriced anchor store. And how cool would it be if the shooter just walked away up the road? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7369 "2016-10-03T10:28:11Z")
Frightened when his driver takes a wrong turn into the 'hood, an Atlanta attorney [shot his wife in the back, killing her](http://www.ajc.com/news/local/atlanta-attorney-says-gun-his-lap-went-off-striking-his-wife/1pA2ZtJkQI94xnIr9J0zcL/). > [@](#): > > The incident unfolded after the McIvers vehicle was approached by several individuals near the intersection of Peachtree and Pine streets in Midtown, spokesman Bill Crane, a McIver family friend, said. > > The McIvers retrieved their gun — a .38 snub-nose revolver — from the center console of the 2013 Ford Expedition, alarmed about recent unrest surrounding several Black Lives Matter protests in the area and fearing a carjacking, Crane told The AJC. > > The couple, who were being driven by an unidentified individual, left the area unharmed. But several blocks later on Piedmont Ave. near the park, the SUV hit a bump and the gun fired, Crane said. It was still wrapped in a plastic Publix bag in which it had been stored, Crane said. > > Crane said McIver does not remember firing the gun. He was leaning back in the seat and nodding off when they hit the bump, the gun in his lap, Crane said. > > Tex McIver was in the SUV’s back seat. Diane McIver was seated in the front passenger seat. > > The Fulton County Medical Examiner said she died of a gunshot wound to the back that had passed through the seat. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7370 "2016-10-03T12:02:27Z")
Hi, I’m Tex, I’m alarmed and sleepy, where’s mah guuurn?? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7371 "2016-10-15T18:15:08Z")
Some guys at a restaurant went out to their car and came back as Bad Guys with Guns, and started shooting at some Good Guys who also had guns. Thankfully there were some other Good Guys with Guns eating in the restaurant, so all the Good Guys were able to take out the Bad Guys and save the day without anyone getting seriously hurt. Just kidding! It was a [chaotic shitshow](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-shooting-southwest-la-20161015-snap-story.html) and three people are dead, twelve wounded. I guess more of the patrons should’ve been armed. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7372 "2016-10-15T22:13:12Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Some guys at a restaurant went out to their car and came back as Bad Guys with Guns, and started shooting at some Good Guys who also had guns. Thankfully there were some other Good Guys with Guns eating in the restaurant, so all the Good Guys were able to take out the Bad Guys and save the day without anyone getting seriously hurt. > > Just kidding! It was a [chaotic shitshow](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-shooting-southwest-la-20161015-snap-story.html) and three people are dead, twelve wounded. I guess more of the patrons should’ve been armed. Nothing in the linked article suggests that anyone in the restaurant was an armed bystander. What I’m reading between the lines is that armed gang members confronted armed gang members. So no, it’s not a demonstration of legal carry leading to a free-for-all shootout. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7373 "2016-10-16T12:01:07Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Nothing in the linked article suggests that anyone in the restaurant was an armed bystander. What I’m reading between the lines is that armed gang members confronted armed gang members. So no, it’s not a demonstration of legal carry leading to a free-for-all shootout. The article has changed significantly since I posted the link, and originally implied that there was a third group of customers who began firing (in addition to the aggressors and the targets). It did not mention police speculation of a “possible narcotics transaction” or the suspects having “street names,” which I’ll assume are the lines between which you read to find the absent words “gang members.” Nevertheless, I withdraw my comment, and we’ll consider this one another win in your column. If only there had been more _legal_ guns present… ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7374 "2016-10-16T12:59:06Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Some guys at a restaurant went out to their car and came back as Bad Guys with Guns, and started shooting at some Good Guys who also had guns. Thankfully there were some other Good Guys with Guns eating in the restaurant, so all the Good Guys were able to take out the Bad Guys and save the day without anyone getting seriously hurt. > > Just kidding! It was a [chaotic shitshow](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-shooting-southwest-la-20161015-snap-story.html) and three people are dead, twelve wounded. I guess more of the patrons should’ve been armed. “I _said_ no substitutions!” woulda made a better headline. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7375 "2016-10-16T14:23:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Frightened when his driver takes a wrong turn into the 'hood, an Atlanta attorney [shot his wife in the back, killing her](http://www.ajc.com/news/local/atlanta-attorney-says-gun-his-lap-went-off-striking-his-wife/1pA2ZtJkQI94xnIr9J0zcL/). Let me save our hard-working gun nuts a click: _Can you **prove** she’d still be alive if hubby didn’t own a gun?_ (Anyway, does an uncocked revolver fire unassisted? Maybe the guy just committed a perfect murder: “I don’t know what happened, Your Honor. One moment I was playing with my gun; the next moment she was dead.” “Oh. Why didn’t you say this was America? Case dismissed!” ) ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7376 "2016-10-16T16:23:38Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > The article has changed significantly since I posted the link, and originally implied that there was a third group of customers who began firing (in addition to the aggressors and the targets). It did not mention police speculation of a “possible narcotics transaction” or the suspects having “street names,” which I’ll assume are the lines between which you read to find the absent words “gang members.” > > Nevertheless, I withdraw my comment, and we’ll consider this one another win in your column. If only there had been more _legal_ guns present… Thank you. That’s uncommonly gracious in a gun thread. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7377 "2016-10-17T01:31:18Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > You really weren’t kidding about the no longer being civil thing. I think you are right however, so good on you. Was I too mean? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7378 "2016-10-19T18:44:54Z")
At least two road rage shootings recently in KC (I thought it was three, but can’t find the third one): > **[Thrown drink may have sparked road rage killing in Independence, police say](https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article108940277.html)** > > Witnesses to Whitney Gray’s road rage killing heard what sounded like a gunshot right after a passenger in the front seat of her minivan threw a drink at a passing SUV, which had passed so closely it almost caused the minivan to wreck, court... > **[Road rage incident in Northland leaves one dead](https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article108464577.html)** > > An apparent road rage incident Friday night in Kansas City, North, left one man dead and a suspect on the phone to police to report his actions. Found #3 - possibly not road rage: > **[Belton police investigating shooting that claimed man’s life](https://fox4kc.com/news/belton-police-investigating-shooting-that-claimed-mans-life/)** > > BELTON, Mo. — Belton police are looking for a man in a small red vehicle following a deadly shooting Tuesday evening that police think may have happened as a result of road rage. Police say t… But by all means, let’s let anyone who wants a gun have one - Missouri having just removed the need for permits to do concealed carry, and I believe Kansas got rid of theirs a while back. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7379 "2016-10-19T19:28:56Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > At least two road rage shootings recently in KC (I thought it was three, but can’t find the third one): > > [http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article108940277.html](http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article108940277.html) > [http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article108464577.html](http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article108464577.html) > > Found #3 - possibly not road rage: > [http://fox4kc.com/2016/10/18/belton-police-investigating-shooting-that-claimed-mans-life/](http://fox4kc.com/2016/10/18/belton-police-investigating-shooting-that-claimed-mans-life/) > > But by all means, let’s let anyone who wants a gun have one - Missouri having just removed the need for permits to do concealed carry, and I believe Kansas got rid of theirs a while back. How many shooting murders committed by law abiding citizens that are not prohibited persons in a given year? How many defensive gun uses are there in a given year? There is a benefit to having legal ownership of guns in society. We really ought to look into what the costs and benefits are. BTW, the second one might not have been road rage either. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7380 "2016-10-19T19:39:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > How many shooting murders committed by law abiding citizens that are not prohibited persons in a given year? How many defensive gun uses are there in a given year? There is a benefit to having legal ownership of guns in society. We really ought to look into what the costs and benefits are. > > BTW, the second one might not have been road rage either. It would be nice if someone would collect those stats. The CDC might be a good place to start for the shooting side, but they are prohibited from doing it. The defensive gun uses is going to be harder, both for definitional reasons (what is a defensive gun use?) and for reporting reasons. If someone gets shot, it usually (not always) gets reported. But if someone successfully uses their gun defensively, there is not necessarily any reason for them to report. And depending on the definition, you would probably also need to deal with people claiming false episodes (although that would probably be rare). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=368) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=370)