# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 375
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7481 "2017-02-14T16:56:15Z")
Don’t mistake me for one who is interested in any political debate about guns. Gun control is a losing issue; we should acquiesce and just give every American a hand gun on his or her 9th birthday(\*) or whatever it is the NRA wants. Since most gun deaths are of a gun owner or its genetic kin, one can argue that gun deaths, and therefore gun ownership, have a useful positive effect on the gene pool! I skim this thread mainly for recreation. The sanctimonious stupidity of the gun nuts is entertaining … and instructive: these are often the same people who brought us the Donald for President. (\* - No, I don’t really think the NRA advocates this. Sheeesh; you gun nuts are so obsessed and have such narrow cognition that you can’t even recognize sarcasm.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7482 "2017-02-14T17:24:17Z")
I think gun control is a losing issue for Democrats, and both political and legal/Constitutional barriers make gun control (which is far different than gun banning) almost impossible without a big sea change in societal attitudes. Just thinking about it with some common sense, I don’t worry about the “good guys” with a gun. I worry about the idiots with a gun. And I’ve known a lot more folks who frequently act like idiots (whether due to alcohol, drugs, machismo, poor judgment, clumsiness, or whatever) than who demonstrate the level of responsibility necessary to prevent ~99.99% of gun accidents and tragedies. I’m curious if conservatives/2nd-amendment-absolutists/NRA types disagree with me about how many idiots are out there, or accept this as a necessary trade-off for full rights? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7483 "2017-02-15T13:42:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I missed this one last time I skimmed the thread: > > **Lumpy** thinks he’s got a fine Gotcha, but actually just demonstrates in another way that gun fetishism is a substitute for thinking. > > There are plenty of sickening stories about Americans shot by non-cops. Stupid shootings involving cops deserve special attention _because they demonstrate more thoroughly and poignantly how sick America’s gun culture has become_. I, for one, have no particular gun control agenda and would be happy just to awaken nuts like **Lumpy** to see how sick their culture has become. When instead they implicitly applaud the death of a toddler because his dad was a cop, I just shake my head in disbelief. > > **Damuri Ajashi** makes the same stupid “point” as Lumpy. So I’m applauding the death of toddlers when I point out that short of disarming our police, we are still going to see some accidental shootings like this? Its criminal negligence to be sure but what law would you propose that would have prevented this? I mean, its already illegal to leave a gun where a kid can their hands on it. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7484 "2017-02-15T13:47:35Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 You’re the one who wrote > _“Since the guy was a cop, how do you suppose this could have been prevented?”_ > What in heaven’s name was that comment supposed to mean? The shooting could have been prevented if idiots and gun nuts weren’t admitted to police forces. The shooting could have been prevented if safety training were mandated for gun owners, including cops. > [@](#): > > Of course my “implicitly applaud the death of a toddler because his dad was a cop” was somewhat hyperbolic Because its a pretty offensive thing to say (even for the pit) and there are other posters here who have posted similar sentiments without their tongue in their cheek. Just go back to the period immediately following Sandy Hook. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7485 "2017-02-15T13:55:02Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Don’t mistake me for one who is interested in any political debate about guns. :dubious: Yeah, your posts seem pretty neutral on the issue. They don’t invite debate at all. > [@](#): > > Gun control is a losing issue; we should acquiesce and just give every American a hand gun on his or her 9th birthday(\*) or whatever it is the NRA wants. Since most gun deaths are of a gun owner or its genetic kin, one can argue that gun deaths, and therefore gun ownership, have a useful positive effect on the gene pool! cite? This seems like another one of those myths perpetuated by the gun grabbers at the violence policy institute. [quote] I skim this thread mainly for recreation. The sanctimonious stupidity of the gun nuts is entertaining … and instructive: these are often the same people who brought us the Donald for President. > [@](#): > > (\* - No, I don’t really think the NRA advocates this. Sheeesh; you gun nuts are so obsessed and have such narrow cognition that you can’t even recognize sarcasm.) Because there are in fact gun grabbers that actually hold the positions of your caricature of gun grabbers, Poe’s law kicks in whenever you attempt to use sarcasm or "hyperbole. The gun nuts I know who voted for Trump were mostly voting against Hillary. She made gun control a central element of her general campaign when she didn’t have to. I can sort of understand her running on gun control during her primary campaign because it was the only issue where she was to the left of Bernie. But then she carried it into her general campaign and gun control was highlighted during the Democratic National Convention. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7486 "2017-02-20T21:34:35Z")
[Incredible](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/19/hunters-charged-in-texas-shooting-had-blamed-immigrants.html). > [@](#): > > Hunters charged in Texas shooting had blamed immigrants. > > PRESIDIO, Texas – Two hunters accused in a shooting on a remote Texas ranch near the Mexican border had told authorities that they were attacked by immigrants who had entered the country illegally. > > Presidio County Sheriff Danny Dominguez told Odessa television KOSA that a grand jury indicted Michael Bryant and Walker Daugherty last week on charges of using deadly conduct by discharging firearms in the direction of others. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7487 "2017-02-21T01:03:01Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Where in the article does it say anyone wanted to take anyone’s guns away? And, did you see the update? > No one’s guns were taken, the school made the required kowtow to the almighty gun, and life went on as it always does. > > Seriously, this is the kind of horror story that gun owners tell each other at bed time? This is the kind of thing that makes you fear for the loss of your precious lead spitters? Well they do need to defend themselves against all those grizzly bears :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7488 "2017-02-21T01:04:25Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I thought it exemplified: > [ul] > [li]the mindset of people who consider hunting barbaric and who would ban the “murder” of animals if they could,[/li][/ul] It’s OK though, they buy their meats from the store, so no animals are harmed 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7489 "2017-02-21T16:54:36Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > [Incredible](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/19/hunters-charged-in-texas-shooting-had-blamed-immigrants.html). Wait. Did those guys shoot each other just so they could blame illegal aliens? There’s got to be more to it than that. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7490 "2017-02-21T17:19:45Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Wait. Did those guys shoot each other just so they could blame illegal aliens? There’s got to be more to it than that. You underestimate the power of hate and bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7491 "2017-02-21T18:52:58Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Wait. Did those guys shoot each other just so they could blame illegal aliens? There’s got to be more to it than that. More details here. > **[Cops: Hunters' friendly fire, not immigrant "ambush," to blame for shooting](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-cops-immigrant-ambush-shooting-was-hunters-friendly-fire/)** > > Two hunters accused in "friendly fire" shooting on a Texas ranch near the Mexican border had told authorities they were attacked by illegal immigrants > [@](#): > > Investigators believe the gunfire was sparked when Daugherty thought undocumented immigrants were inside the RV that Roberts and his wife were staying in during a hunting trip, attempting to kidnap them. Daugherty allegedly tried to enter the RV, and that’s when the shootout began. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7492 "2017-02-21T19:53:37Z")
I wonder if someone will end up posting this in “Positive Gun News of the Day.” [11-year-old girl’s death helps saves life of cousin in need of kidney](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/takiya-holmes-death-saves-life-of-cousin-in-need-of-kidney/) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7493 "2017-02-21T20:10:46Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I wonder if someone will end up posting this in “Positive Gun News of the Day.” > > [11-year-old girl’s death helps saves life of cousin in need of kidney](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/takiya-holmes-death-saves-life-of-cousin-in-need-of-kidney/) Wonder no more-I have delivered the good news about her kidney donation to that thread. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7494 "2017-02-21T20:33:38Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > More details here. > > [Cops: Texas hunters' friendly fire, not immigrant "ambush," to blame for shooting - CBS News](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-cops-immigrant-ambush-shooting-was-hunters-friendly-fire/) A rare case of \*two \*good guys with guns and \*no \*bad guys with guns at all. Don’t you see? They \*had \*to shoot each other! ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7495 "2017-02-22T02:44:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Wonder no more-I have delivered the good news about her kidney donation to that thread. Unsubtle troll is unsubtle. > [@Positive Gun News of the Day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1188): > > This feels like subtle ways to derail the thread or go against it to me. Let’s avoid the double, backhanded links like from here on, please. And slapped down considerably more gently than deserved. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7496 "2017-02-23T01:05:41Z")
One or more boys walk on the lawn of an off-duty Los Angeles cop, [so the cop drags a young boy off, and eventually pulls his gun and fires.](http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/watch-off-duty-police-officer-fires-gun-during-physical-confrontation-with-13-year-old-boy/) Police arrested two of the boys, but D.A. declined to charge. This story belongs in the ‘Guns are so very wonderful’ thread — nobody gets hit by a bullet (and the kids definitely stop trespassing when they hear the gunshot!) — but I’ve been admonished not to post there. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7497 "2017-02-23T03:19:38Z")
We get it already: you not only don’t agree with gun ownership, you believe anyone who does is worthy of scorn and derision. The snark is getting old. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7498 "2017-02-23T10:56:16Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > We get it already: you not only don’t agree with gun ownership, you believe anyone who does is worthy of scorn and derision. > > The snark is getting old. In your zeal to show dislike for me, you’ve left us in doubt about what your contribution to this story is. Is it a ‘Guns are so very wonderful’ story or not? > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > A rare case of \*two \*good guys with guns and \*no \*bad guys with guns at all. Don’t you see? They \*had \*to shoot each other! How about that one? Two fine citizens doing their part in defending our borders as a “Militia … necessary to the security of a free State” ? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7500 "2017-02-23T14:25:32Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > In your zeal to show dislike for me, you’ve left us in doubt about what your contribution to this story is. Is it a ‘Guns are so very wonderful’ story or not? If the story had involved 16+ year olds, rather than 13 year olds, and if there hadn’t been video evidence to back up the kids against the cop’s word, it probably would be considered a justified DGU. There are plenty of posts in the positive news thread that are about someone using a gun to protect property. It would probably be “Thugs vandalize and trespass on officer’s property, then assaulted the officer. Officer drew and fired his weapon once. No injuries.” As the quite a number (probably the majority, but I’m not going through and counting) of DGU’s in that thread have only the word of the shooter that it was justified, I do think that without the video evidence that this officer was lying, it probably would have made it. As far as the 11 year-old goes, I wasn’t seriously suggesting that it should be posted in there, as it is obvious that that thread is only for feel good stories about guns, and anything that casts any sort of negative shadow on the use of those toys could upset or trigger the fairly delicate sensibilities of gun owners, so certainly should not go there. At the same time though, it literally was positive news that occurred because of an incident with a gun, and falls very well under the OP’s "This is a thread to bring up another aspect of gun ownership - positive news. I post it in this forum instead of in the Pit since it really is not any kind of statistical analysis, just mindless data points to share. Hopefully people can add their own positive news items relating to firearms. ", were it not for the fact that then they would have to acknowledge that their toys ended the life of an innocent child. Hell, if I were a parent of a recipient of that child’s organs, I would have posted in that thread completely unsarcastically, as it would be very good news to me. > [@](#): > > How about that one? Two fine citizens doing their part in defending our borders as a “Militia … necessary to the security of a free State” ? That fits. If it were not proven that these responsible gun owners were absolute liars, then the story probably would have gone in there as “Two texas campers sustain injuries from illegal immigrants ambushing and attempting to kidnap their families, but protect their families and drive them off with their guns. DGU with no deaths.” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7501 "2017-02-24T03:21:24Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **One or more boys walk on the lawn** of an off-duty Los Angeles cop, [so the cop drags a young boy off, and eventually pulls his gun and fires.](http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/watch-off-duty-police-officer-fires-gun-during-physical-confrontation-with-13-year-old-boy/) **Police arrested two of the boys** , but D.A. declined to charge. > > This story belongs in the ‘Guns are so very wonderful’ thread — nobody gets hit by a bullet (and the kids definitely stop trespassing when they hear the gunshot!) — but I’ve been admonished not to post there. What the fuck??? That asshole should be fired. he should be charged with everything that might possibly apply. The cops who sided with him and arrested the boys should face charges. And they ALL should have a black mark on their record, so they fail every background check from now until hell freezes over… I state that as a “pro-gun” person. I like the 2nd Amendment, but some people should not have guns OR authority. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=374) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=376)