# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 376
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7502 "2017-02-24T16:37:19Z")
[Armed men with masks and tactical vests walk into a police station.](http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2017/02/06/armed-men-tactical-vests-arrested-dearborn-pd/97556140/) Anyone here _not_ think the police were perfectly justified in their reaction? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7503 "2017-02-24T22:28:33Z")
Hell, even Michigan Open Carry agrees that was doing it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2017, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7504 "2017-02-25T09:43:31Z")
It sounds like these guys were prepared to stop the Russkies _and_ any Muslims slipping in from Canada: > [@](#): > > Officers at the scene recovered a loaded AP-14 firearm, a rifle magazine containing 47 rounds, a loaded Glock 19 handgun with four additional magazines containing 66 rounds, body armor and ballistic vests, a mask, gun belt and several pieces of camera equipment. Also recovered was an AR-15 rifle along with a AK-47 style rifle. > > Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad [said] “This is not a Second Amendment issue for me.” Why not? Libtard police chief doesn’t like the 47-round rifle magazine? Why does he hate America? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7505 "2017-02-25T17:27:03Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Why not? Libtard police chief doesn’t like the 47-round rifle magazine? Why does he hate America? Not just a Libtard; look his last name. What sort of real American goes by Haddad? I was interested in the response by the spokesperson for Michigan Open Carry: > [@](#): > > The situation prompted Michigan Open Carry Inc. to speak out Monday. The pair’s actions were “reckless, and primarily designed to draw attention and a response,” group officials said in a statement. “MOC advocates for and educates people about the lawful open carry of a holstered handgun for the purposes of everyday self-protection. … > > “There is a clear difference between the everyday protection we advocate for and the attention-seeking actions of these individuals. Wearing a mask, dark glasses, visible body armor and a rifle slung across your chest instills a very specific image that cannot be ignored.” But isn’t this a slippery slope for the gun rights folks? After all, the guns were legal, and as far as i know, there’s no law prohibiting the wearing of masks, dark glasses, or body armor. Also, as far as i know, there’s no law prohibiting a person from walking into a police station. If i’m wrong about this stuff, i’m happy to be corrected. But if i’m not, then why are these guys different from any other open-carry advocates? In describing their outfits, MOC says that this sort of thing “instills a very specific image that cannot be ignored.” I wonder if they realize or care that, for many Americans, the sight of a person on the street or in a mall or in a restaurant, with nothing more than a handgun on his hip, also “instills a very specific image that cannot be ignored.” If they believe that anti-gun folks are unreasonable for not wanting to see guns all over the place, why aren’t they unreasonable for not wanting to see guns and body armor? After all, guns are for protection, right? And if a gun helps to make you safe in a dangerous world, wouldn’t body armor make you even more safe? Police departments certainly seem to think so. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7506 "2017-02-25T20:33:30Z")
Let **Damuri Ajashi** explain hoplophobia and exposure therapy to you. He does it \*so \*well. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7507 "2017-03-01T15:47:34Z")
Another story for the ‘Guns are very wonderful’ thread. Where would we all be without our precious God-given Second Amendment? A ho in Houston ran a yellow light, apparently colliding with a car that was running the red light perpendicular. Rather than wasting the taxpayers’ dime on a police investigation, a 3rd car [dispensed immediate justice](http://wqad.com/2017/02/28/8-year-old-shot-to-death-moments-after-surviving-car-crash/), shooting at and killing 8-year-old De’Maree Adkins. The mother may have learned her lesson and will stop running yellow lights in future; thus the shooter showed admirable discretion and mercy by killing only the child rather than both mother and child. (Killing only the mother would have been imprudent: De’Maree, who’d probably inherited the running-yellow-light gene, was too young to learn a lesson and would have grown up to run a yellow light of its own.) ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7508 "2017-03-01T16:37:23Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Another story for the ‘Guns are very wonderful’ thread. Where would we all be without our precious God-given Second Amendment? > > A ho in Houston ran a yellow light, apparently colliding with a car that was running the red light perpendicular. Rather than wasting the taxpayers’ dime on a police investigation, a 3rd car [dispensed immediate justice](http://wqad.com/2017/02/28/8-year-old-shot-to-death-moments-after-surviving-car-crash/), shooting at and killing 8-year-old De’Maree Adkins. > > The mother may have learned her lesson and will stop running yellow lights in future; thus the shooter showed admirable discretion and mercy by killing only the child rather than both mother and child. (Killing only the mother would have been imprudent: De’Maree, who’d probably inherited the running-yellow-light gene, was too young to learn a lesson and would have grown up to run a yellow light of its own.) What the fucking fuck are they doing down there in Texas? My nieces live in Sugarland, and the youngest, my goddaughter just got her first car a month ago. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7509 "2017-03-04T09:00:42Z")
[This story from Iowa](http://www.kcci.com/article/76-year-old-man-shoots-wife-in-the-butt-after-she-refuses-sex/8698504) really belongs in the ‘Guns are so very wonderful’ thread. 76-year old husband was understandably unhappy that his 62-year old wife didn’t want to have sex with him — he claims the marriage was never consummated. A warning shot seemed like just the right thing, no? Better than resorting to actual fisticuffs. The bullet traveled in an unexpected direction and hit wife in hip and butt. But that’s not hubby’s fault — he was aiming for the mattress. Anyway, she’s still alive and may think twice about saying No to her wifely duty next time. Will **Lumpy** show up to complain about this post? Don’t just be grumpy, **Lumpy** — _explain_ the wonderful nature of guns to us. Is America a better place because the libtards were unable to grab this hubby’s gun? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7510 "2017-03-04T18:38:52Z")
No **Septicemias** , I’m going to complain about you. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7511 "2017-03-04T18:46:28Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > No **Septicemias** , I’m going to complain about you. Please feel free to do so! But answer the question: > [@septimus](#): > > Is America a better place because the libtards were unable to grab this hubby’s gun? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7512 "2017-03-04T18:57:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Is America a better place because the libtards were unable to grab this hubby’s gun? Yes it is actually, if by “grab this hubby’s gun” you mean forbid people to own guns just in case of what they might do. Because the people who legitimately needed a gun to deter or defend against violence had them. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7513 "2017-03-04T19:37:12Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Yes it is actually, if by “grab this hubby’s gun” you mean forbid people to own guns just in case of what they might do. Because the people who legitimately needed a gun to deter or defend against violence had them. So, should have taken hubby’s gun, and given it to his wife? She had far more need to deter or defend against violence. I’d be down for that. Serious question at this point. Are you down with taking hubby’s gun now? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7514 "2017-03-04T21:46:06Z")
Seventy six year old with a raging hardon, a young-but-frigid bride, an attitude (as per booking photo), and a gun. I’m disappointed by the relatively bland ending. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7515 "2017-03-04T22:36:53Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Serious question at this point. > > Are you down with taking hubby’s gun now? Of course; that’s perfectly in accordance with due process of law: punishing people for what they do, not what they might do. > [@kayaker](#): > > Seventy six year old with a raging hardon, a young-but-frigid bride, an attitude (as per booking photo), and a gun. Not that it changes anything, but she’s 62. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7516 "2017-03-05T13:26:10Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Not that it changes anything, but she’s 62. Right. And he’s 76, which in comparison makes her “young”. > [@](#): > > Donald Royce, 76, of Lehigh Acres, said he and his wife, Katherine Fivecoat, 62, have not consummated their six-month marriage ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7517 "2017-03-06T03:03:59Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [This story from Iowa](http://www.kcci.com/article/76-year-old-man-shoots-wife-in-the-butt-after-she-refuses-sex/8698504) … Samuel Clemens was born in the town of Florida, Missouri, but I kind of think the town of Lehigh Acres, Florida is not in Iowa. The rules of sanity, reason and decorum are wildly different in Florida compared to most of the rest of the universe. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7518 "2017-03-06T10:03:04Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Samuel Clemens was born in the town of Florida, Missouri, but I kind of think the town of Lehigh Acres, Florida is not in Iowa. The rules of sanity, reason and decorum are wildly different in Florida compared to most of the rest of the universe. Oops! My error. If it happened in Florida then just move along folks; nothing to see here. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7519 "2017-03-07T13:12:42Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Yes it is actually, if by “grab this hubby’s gun” you mean forbid people to own guns just in case of what they might do. Because the people who legitimately needed a gun to deter or defend against violence had them. Why is it that people think that gun violence by one person justifies banning guns across society? Show me a study that tells us how many incidents of gun violence are committed by lawful gun owners. Then compare that to how many similar acts of violence would occur without the presence of guns. Take the difference if any and compare that to the incidents of violence avoided because of private ownership of guns. ISTM that THAT is the right way to weigh the impact of guns in our society. In the end that may not end up changing anyone’s minds but at least we can then conclude that people just want their guns and they are willing to bear the cost of guns in our society for other reasons (that are frankly a bit more difficult to defend in a functional democracy) or they just want to get rid of guns and they want to get rid of guns for other reasons that probably boil down to perceived safety and peace of mind over actual safety. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7520 "2017-03-07T14:25:17Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why is it that people think that gun violence by one person justifies banning guns across society? > > Show me a study that tells us how many incidents of gun violence are committed by lawful gun owners. Then compare that to how many similar acts of violence would occur without the presence of guns. Take the difference if any and compare that to the incidents of violence avoided because of private ownership of guns. ISTM that THAT is the right way to weigh the impact of guns in our society. > > In the end that may not end up changing anyone’s minds but at least we can then conclude that people just want their guns and they are willing to bear the cost of guns in our society for other reasons (that are frankly a bit more difficult to defend in a functional democracy) or they just want to get rid of guns and they want to get rid of guns for other reasons that probably boil down to perceived safety and peace of mind over actual safety. Agree with you but two things: “lawful gun owners” gets mocked by the antis because they always say “everyone was a lawful gun owner until they shot someone”. A clumsier but more accurate phrase might be “non-career criminals”. Second, because it’s hard to measure what didn’t happen, estimates of defensive gun use vary widely, with the antis dismissing most reports as apocryphal or existing only in the gun owner’s head. As you said, that may not end up changing anyone’s minds. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7521 "2017-03-07T16:26:19Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why is it that people think that gun violence by one person justifies banning guns across society? I’m not sure who you’re talking about, but it isn’t me. I just asked **Lumpy** a rhetorical question. My own personal opinion is that, at his point, we should petition government to give guns to everyone free of charge. Presumably this would increase gun deaths, but would also speed up beneficial Darwinian selection. To get a driver’s license, one must demonstrate some behind-the-wheel competence. I don’t know about U.S.A. but where I live a doctor’s note is also required, certifying that the driving applicant is not insane. Some might advocate that a gunner’s license be required for reasons similar to the driver’s license. (I don’t know what the criteria should be, or whether the Floridan hubby would be excluded — gun control is not a topic which interests me.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=375) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=377)