# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 377
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7522 "2017-03-07T19:41:37Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why is it that people think that gun violence by one person justifies banning guns across society? Who thinks this? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7523 "2017-03-08T01:10:19Z")
That’s what the voices in his head are telling him today. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7524 "2017-03-08T01:53:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Who thinks this? You know, many of us say things like, maybe people ought to get training and stuff in order to have guns (as with moving automobiles), or, maybe we ought to keep track of guns and hold people responsible when someone else misuses one of their weapons (or for that matter, when one of them misuses their own weapon), and the response always seems to be, _why do you want to take away everybody’s guns???_ It tends to makes any dialogue quite difficult. **Darmuri Ajashi** claims to be ok with some fair restrictions, but too often he descends into gundamentalism. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7525 "2017-03-08T03:49:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Who thinks this? She who would be president. [Hillary: Australia-style gun control ‘worth looking at’](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/257172-hillary-australia-style-gun-control-worth-looking-at) > [@](#): > > Hillary Clinton says a gun buyback program similar to the one Australia implemented in 1996 is “worth considering” in the United States. > > “I don’t know enough details to tell you how we would do it or how it would work, but certainly the Australia example is worth looking at,” Clinton said at a New Hampshire town hall on Friday. > … > The Australian government purchased more than 650,000 guns from citizens in the **compulsory** 1996 buyback program. What the article doesn’t say was that Australians had up to a year to turn in their guns, thereafter those who possessed them were criminalized. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7526 "2017-03-08T08:50:43Z")
Another item for the ‘guns are so very wonderful’ thread: [In Kansas an illegal Muslim immigrant was shot down by a patriotic citizen.](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/24/world/asia/kansas-attack-possible-hate-crime-srinivas-kuchibhotla.html?smid=tw-nytimesworld&smtyp=cur) Had this vigilante not acted when he did, the terrorist might have gone into hiding — who knows how many Americans he would have killed. Bravo! More evidence that I’m right and the government should give free guns to all white Christian Americans. Before the libtards rush in with their #FakeFacts, yes the immigrant might have been a legal immigrant, but if so \*\*_why didn’t he show his passport and green card when challenged? \*\*\* In this new era, clearly we must assume the worst. And maybe he was a Hindu or a Voodoo or whatever instead of a Muslim, but So What? This is Jesus’ country and if he doesn’t love the Baby Jesus he should get the F_ck out! But even if the cover story is true — that Srinivas Kuchibhotla was an innocent green-carded engineer — it wouldn’t affect the important issue. As every NRA member knows, it is better that twenty innocents be gunned down in error than that George Zimmerman be denied his right to stalk a black boy, provoke a ‘self-defense’ situation, and commit a depraved-heart murder. God Help America! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7527 "2017-03-08T11:30:35Z")
And obviously we need guns to [fend off the damn sikhs](http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/05/518637650/sikh-man-shot-outside-his-seattle-home-told-to-go-back-to-your-own-country), who are impersonating muslims and scaring the children. If this his happening in the easy-going Seattle area, these dark-skinned turban-wearers must surely be a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7528 "2017-03-08T12:08:10Z")
No, no, it’s not so much that they’re a problem. They’re just…you know…DIFFERENT !!! Thank God above that we know good from bad and are empowered to execute the 2nd Amendment exactly as it was intended. Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7529 "2017-03-08T12:21:19Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Seventy six year old with a raging hardon, a young-but-frigid bride, an attitude (as per booking photo), and a gun. > > I’m disappointed by the relatively bland ending. Its almost ugly enough and gritty enough to make a music video about. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7530 "2017-03-08T13:47:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Who thinks this? Did no one call for gun bans after sandy hook? Do people not point to anecdotal evidence and push for gun bans? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7531 "2017-03-08T13:51:18Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > You know, many of us say things like, maybe people ought to get training and stuff in order to have guns (as with moving automobiles), or, maybe we ought to keep track of guns and hold people responsible when someone else misuses one of their weapons (or for that matter, when one of them misuses their own weapon), and the response always seems to be, _why do you want to take away everybody’s guns???_ It tends to makes any dialogue quite difficult. **Darmuri Ajashi** claims to be ok with some fair restrictions, but too often he descends into gundamentalism. I’m not a gundamentalist. I am vocal but as you say, I am not only tolerant of some gun regulation I an actively in favor of it. I am generally opposed to ignorance and stupidity and frankly most of the ignorance on the gun issue comes from the gun control side. Mostly because they don’t really give a shit about the issue as much as the gun proponents do so they only know what talking heads tell them. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7532 "2017-03-08T15:03:11Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > … and frankly most of the ignorance on the gun issue comes from the gun control side… Not this bullshit again. “Anyone who can’t recite the muzzle velocities and magazine capacities of at least three models of semi-automatic isn’t qualified to comment on whether guns are good for society.” Bzzzzzt. Next contestant, please. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7533 "2017-03-08T15:34:06Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Did no one call for gun bans after sandy hook? > > Do people not point to anecdotal evidence and push for gun bans? Point to one that said anything akin to “I was fine with all the other gun deaths-it was _this_ one alone that made me want to restrict gun use.” It’s not one straw that breaks the camel’s back-It’s the _last_ straw. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7534 "2017-03-08T15:42:58Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Did no one call for gun bans after sandy hook? > > Do people not point to anecdotal evidence and push for gun bans? Well, there sure are a lot of anecdotes, aren’t there? A lot. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7535 "2017-03-08T16:47:18Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Not this bullshit again. “Anyone who can’t recite the muzzle velocities and magazine capacities of at least three models of semi-automatic isn’t qualified to comment on whether guns are good for society.” > > Bzzzzzt. Next contestant, please. Ignorance: “Assault weapons are machine guns” “Silencers make guns silent” “Permitting concealed carry increases gun violence” “Guns are not regulated” The list goes on and on. You can have opinions without expert knowledge of the subject but those opinions ought to be based on facts. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7536 "2017-03-08T16:55:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Point to one that said anything akin to “I was fine with all the other gun deaths-it was _this_ one alone that made me want to restrict gun use.” It’s not one straw that breaks the camel’s back-It’s the _last_ straw. Well, now I’d like to ask YOU for a cite that I said that these people were Ok with all the other gun related deaths. I was talking about the anecdotal nature of how gun control folks argue for gun control. If you want to list stupid gun news, that’s fine but its just anecdote, it doesn’t come close to representing data. If its the last straw, then what are the other straws? Because AFAICT they point to a single case where a legal gun owner commits a crime and then acts like this is a common thing. They point to a stack of hay consisting of suicides, crimes committed by felons and other who are not allowed to possess guns, or folks who we as a society require to possess guns are all part of the same stack of hay as the legal gun owner committing a crime. That’s when they say “see we should ban guns” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7537 "2017-03-08T17:03:46Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > he sight of a person on the street or in a mall or in a restaurant, with nothing more than a handgun on his hip, also “instills a very specific image that cannot be ignored.” It’s an image that may require copious application of brain bleach, even if the handgun is strategically positioned as a fig leaf. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7538 "2017-03-08T17:09:48Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Well, there sure are a lot of anecdotes, aren’t there? > A lot. Really? How many do you think there are? I suspect that a lot of people think that murders committed by legal gun owners is a common event. AFAICT, there are very few gun murders committed by legal gun owners. Few enough that you really have to ask how many times guns have saved a life before you any reach conclusion about banning guns. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7539 "2017-03-08T18:26:06Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > … They point to a stack of hay [including] folks who we as a society require to possess guns … Most policemen in Great Britain do not carry guns. U.S. policemen are now killing over 1000 people per year, and injuring many more — many of these victims are completely innocent. The main reason “we as a society require” cops to carry guns is the presumption that, in our insane gun culture, any motorist or ordinary citizen is likely to be armed and dangerous. How we might restore sanity is a difficult question. (As I’ve said, I have no solution except _arming everyone_ until the\* reductio ad absurdem\* makes itself felt.) But let’s please keep in mind that the circularly reasoned: _Americans need guns because so many Americans have guns_ whether valid or not, is a symptom of the corner our gun-crazed culture has painted itself into, and _not_ a happy celebration of the God-given rights of Man. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7540 "2017-03-08T18:36:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Well, now I’d like to ask YOU for a cite that I said that these people were Ok with all the other gun related deaths. The exact quote was > [@](#): > > Why is it that people think that gun violence by one person justifies banning guns across society? And it certainly implies that some people want a banning of all guns because of a single gun-related death. Where are these people? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7541 "2017-03-08T19:24:03Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Most policemen in Great Britain do not carry guns. U.S. policemen are now killing over 1000 people per year, and injuring many more — many of these victims are completely innocent. > > The main reason “we as a society require” cops to carry guns is the presumption that, in our insane gun culture, any motorist or ordinary citizen is likely to be armed and dangerous. > > How we might restore sanity is a difficult question. (As I’ve said, I have no solution except _arming everyone_ until the\* reductio ad absurdem\* makes itself felt.) But let’s please keep in mind that the circularly reasoned: > _Americans need guns because so many Americans have guns_ > whether valid or not, is a symptom of the corner our gun-crazed culture has painted itself into, and _not_ a happy celebration of the God-given rights of Man. Yes, I agree that its a bit of a catch 22 but I we can work our way out of it with licensing and registration. The gun rights side of the argument is wary of this avenue out of the catch 22 because it can also be used to work our way ENTIRELY out of guns and the gun control side seems to want that and the gun rights side does not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=376) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=378)