# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 378
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7542 "2017-03-08T19:26:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The exact quote was > And it certainly implies that some people want a banning of all guns because of a single gun-related death. > Where are these people? Are you saying that there aren’t people who were relatively ambivalent about gun control until Sandy Hook when they suddenly wanted to ban guns? My larger point was a criticism of people using anecdote in their argument for gun control. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7543 "2017-03-08T19:46:38Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Are you saying that there aren’t people who were relatively ambivalent about gun control until Sandy Hook when they suddenly wanted to ban guns? Either you can point out examples of what you said, or you can’t. I don’t have to disprove your claim-that’s not how it works. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7544 "2017-03-08T19:53:07Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > It’s an image that may require copious application of brain bleach, even if the handgun is strategically positioned as a fig leaf. I wonder what simile that might evoke … ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7545 "2017-03-08T20:07:42Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Are you saying that there aren’t people who were relatively ambivalent about gun control until Sandy Hook when they suddenly wanted to ban guns? Well, if he’s not saying it, I will. I’m a liberal, with liberal friends and associates, and I’ve never met anyone who wants to “ban guns across society,” either before or after a mass shooting. Close gun show loopholes, yes. Limit the size of magazines, yes. Restrict access of people who have been formally declared to be too mentally ill to be fully responsible for themselves FFS, YES!!. But a total ban, never. I don’t deny that there are people who want a total ban, but I would guess that they are a very small minority, and I find it very hard to believe that they were ambivalent about gun bans, let alone gun control, before Sandy Hook. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7546 "2017-03-08T22:42:14Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > As I’ve said, I have no solution except _arming everyone_ until the\* reductio ad absurdem\* makes itself felt. An experiment I wish we could see happen. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7547 "2017-03-08T22:45:41Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > An experiment I wish we could see happen. Let me get off the planet, first. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7548 "2017-03-08T23:11:37Z")
Gun laws similar to Australia’s should help. It would get most guns off the street and people serious about it with clean records could still purchase weapons. Some people would stockpile but that would just demonstrate they were never responsible law-abiding gun owners to begin with. Eventually the price of an illegal gun would be more than a common thug or nut job could afford. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7549 "2017-03-08T23:58:04Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Gun laws similar to Australia’s should help. It would get most guns off the street and people serious about it with clean records could still purchase weapons. Some people would stockpile but that would just demonstrate they were never responsible law-abiding gun owners to begin with. Eventually the price of an illegal gun would be more than a common thug or nut job could afford. Would you care to describe your definition of the difference between “Collecting” and “Stockpiling?” ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7550 "2017-03-09T00:02:47Z")
> [@Tranquilis](#): > > Would you care to describe your definition of the difference between “Collecting” and “Stockpiling?” One should be in a museum? Actually, I don’t particularly care about the feelings of collectors. If your source of income is “collecting” guns, with the quotes, perhaps you should find another line of work. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7551 "2017-03-09T00:14:28Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > One should be in a museum? > > Actually, I don’t particularly care about the feelings of collectors. If your source of income is “collecting” guns, with the quotes, perhaps you should find another line of work. Ah. I see. So, what you’re telling me is that you are not, in fact, interested in a reasonable debate on the subject - you just wish to inflict your preconceptions on others, IRT firearms. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7552 "2017-03-09T00:22:24Z")
> [@Tranquilis](#): > > Ah. I see. So, what you’re telling me is that you are not, in fact, interested in a reasonable debate on the subject - you just wish to inflict your preconceptions on others, IRT firearms. > > Gotcha. This thread is is over 150 pages. Enough debate for me. I’m kinda past debate. Neither side is going to change their mind much. The gun rights side will never change its mind. Not one iota. When a gun rights type says’ “let’s have a reasoned discussion” it’s just another stall tactic. I used to say, and believe, “no one is taking your guns” but I’ve moved beyond that. Sooner or later, we’re going to have to take (most of) your guns. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7553 "2017-03-09T01:53:13Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > This thread is is over 150 pages. Enough debate for me. I’m kinda past debate. Neither side is going to change their mind much. The gun rights side will never change its mind. Not one iota. When a gun rights type says’ “let’s have a reasoned discussion” it’s just another stall tactic. I used to say, and believe, “no one is taking your guns” but I’ve moved beyond that. Sooner or later, we’re going to have to take (most of) your guns. Item one: You’re applying a broad-brush fallacy. Item two: There are absolutely “want to take your guns;” If you actually _don’t_ believe that, you are remakably gullible. See Op-Ed pieces in places like the \*“New Republic”\*\*, if you want your evidence. Until such time as you’re willing to admit you’ve been pushing a falsehood, no one on the other side of the argument will listen to a thing you say. - [It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them. | The New Republic](https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7554 "2017-03-09T08:32:27Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > An experiment I wish we could see happen. Willing to predict what might happen? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7555 "2017-03-09T08:45:34Z")
> [@Tranquilis](#): > > There are absolutely “want to take your guns;” If you actually _don’t_ believe that, you are remakably gullible. See Op-Ed pieces in places like the \*“New Republic”\*\*, if you want your evidence. Until such time as you’re willing to admit you’ve been pushing a falsehood, no one on the other side of the argument will listen to a thing you say. > > - [It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them. | The New Republic](https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them) At this point, any libtard politician pushing to ban guns is either incredibly stupid or running a false flag operation. If this means I’m calling Hillary out — fine! The insipid manufactured controversy over whether all women should be allowed to use women’s restrooms put the hideous alliance of Ignorati and Kleptocrats into power. _ **The damage they do to ACA will kill more people than all the guns in North America;** _ and the desecration of the EPA may kill even more. To pursue gun banning or even gun control will mean the Evil-doers dominate U.S. politics into the foreseeable future. _ **Wake up, libtards!** _ Your fellow citizens are extremely stupid, but if you stop triggering their Pavlov reflex to salivate (masturbate?) whenever they hear “Guns!”, they might end up pulling the Rational lever in the polling booth, if only by a fifty-fifty random chance. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7556 "2017-03-09T16:54:00Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Willing to predict what might happen? Well, let’s take a look at what’s happened before: [ul] [li]Rural areas where people realize the nearest deputy could be half an hour or more away, and so guns are ubiquitous: bloodbaths and chaos? No.[/li][li]“Shall Issue”, took away local authority to deny carry permits without cause: bloodbaths and chaos? No.[/li][li]“Constitutional Carry”, eliminate requirement for carry permits altogether: bloodbaths and chaos? No.[/li][/ul] I’m seeing a pattern here… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7557 "2017-03-09T17:11:14Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > At this point, any libtard politician pushing to ban guns is either incredibly stupid or running a false flag operation. If this means I’m calling Hillary out — fine! > > The insipid manufactured controversy over whether all women should be allowed to use women’s restrooms put the hideous alliance of Ignorati and Kleptocrats into power. _ **The damage they do to ACA will kill more people than all the guns in North America;** _ and the desecration of the EPA may kill even more. > > To pursue gun banning or even gun control will mean the Evil-doers dominate U.S. politics into the foreseeable future. > > _ **Wake up, libtards!** _ Your fellow citizens are extremely stupid, but if you stop triggering their Pavlov reflex to salivate (masturbate?) whenever they hear “Guns!”, they might end up pulling the Rational lever in the polling booth, if only by a fifty-fifty random chance. After all the talk about how Trump wouldn’t have won if only The Dems had talked purdy enough to them, there aren’t enough :rolleyes: in the whole internet for this post. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7558 "2017-03-10T15:09:58Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Gun laws similar to Australia’s should help. It would get most guns off the street and people serious about it with clean records could still purchase weapons. Some people would stockpile but that would just demonstrate they were never responsible law-abiding gun owners to begin with. Eventually the price of an illegal gun would be more than a common thug or nut job could afford. Wait. What?!?! What exactly do you think the Australia gun laws say? You know then licensing procedure is not just a matter of not having a record. You have to satisfy the local authority that you need a gun for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7559 "2017-03-10T15:20:19Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > After all the talk about how Trump wouldn’t have won if only The Dems had talked purdy enough to them, there aren’t enough :rolleyes: in the whole internet for this post. Trump won by a relative handful of votes in a handful of states. One of the reasons Hillary lost those states was because she beat the drums on gun control during the general election. Something that her own husband warned the Democrats about. Now we have Trump. Thanks Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7560 "2017-03-10T16:17:47Z")
Gun control is the political third rail for the democrats. Bill Clinton admitted in 94 that the assault weapon ban cost the democrats dearly in the midterm election turning both the Senate and Congress over to the republicans. Hillary stomping on the gun control platform in 2016 played no small part in her defeat and again making the Congress and Senate republican. ‘Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.’ - George Santayana ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7561 "2017-03-10T16:23:37Z")
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