# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 383
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7642 "2017-05-06T18:55:24Z")
> [@Norse](#): > > Sociopath. > > In civilized countries, that’ll earn you a charge - and most probably a conviction - for murder. Lighten up Francis. If you read **eschereal** ’s posts in this thread, i think you’ll come to understand that the post you responded to was not exactly a serious suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7643 "2017-05-06T21:05:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yes, your stuff matters more than anyone’s life. Got it. :rolleyes: > > Ever hear of homeowner’s or renter’s insurance? It covers that stuff. Cheaper than ammo, too, and doesn’t involve shutting off any sort of sense of morality. > > Now do tell us more about how the best defense against black people with guns is white people with guns. You get stupider with each post to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7644 "2017-05-06T23:08:19Z")
> [@Norse](#): > > Sociopath. No, the word you are looking for is “psychopath”. > [@](#): > > In civilized countries, that’ll earn you a charge - and most probably a conviction - for murder. Some people claim that Florida is part of a civilized country. Read up on what goes on in Florida. You might end up forced to redefine either Florida or Civilization. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7645 "2017-05-06T23:18:48Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > You get stupider with each post to this thread. Does your mommy know you got her password? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7646 "2017-05-06T23:37:32Z")
People who violate the social contract by trying to steal from me, thus demonstrating that they don’t care about _my_ humanity- apparently I’m just prey- will get exactly as much mercy as I can afford to show them. But no, they’re not just running off with my stuff. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7647 "2017-05-07T07:44:31Z")
[Islamic State magazine steers followers to U.S. gun shows for ‘easy’ access to weapons](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/05/05/islamic-state-magazine-steers-jihadists-to-u-s-gun-shows-for-easy-access-to-weapons/?utm_term=.44fbc10f6146) “They say the Americans are dumb — they have open gun policies” the recruit told the New York Times from a German prison. “They say we can radicalize them easily, and if they have no prior record, they can buy guns, so we don’t need to have a contact man who has to provide guns for them.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7648 "2017-05-07T16:32:34Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > People who violate the social contract Interesting that you would bring that up. Part of the social contract, codified in our legal system as well, is that you don’t get to be a vigilante, making up your own rules about when killing someone is justified. The process defined under the social contract for getting justice against a thief involves judges and juries, not cowboys. And nowhere in it is theft a capital offense. If \*you \*ever get the chance to violate the social contract, and the law, in any of the scenarios you fantasize about, you can expect to receive more justice from it than you’re willing to give. Maybe that’s a flaw, or maybe it’s a strength, but it’s still how the sane manage to live together out here in reality. So cut the excuse-making for your bloodthirst. It convinces only your fellow sociopaths. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7649 "2017-05-07T17:21:21Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > the word you are looking for is “psychopath”. Duly noted. > [@eschereal](#): > > Some people claim that Florida is part of a civilized country. Read up on what goes on in Florida. You might end up forced to redefine either Florida or Civilization. I think I’ll just go with Hanlon’s razor and refuse to accept that Florida is part of a civilized country. Whether that’s due to Florida or it’s due to the country it’s a part of will not be discussed here by me. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7650 "2017-05-07T17:35:58Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Interesting that you would bring that up. Part of the social contract, codified in our legal system as well, is that you don’t get to be a vigilante, making up your own rules about when killing someone is justified. The process defined under the social contract for getting justice against a thief involves judges and juries, not cowboys. And nowhere in it is theft a capital offense. > > If \*you \*ever get the chance to violate the social contract, and the law, in any of the scenarios you fantasize about, you can expect to receive more justice from it than you’re willing to give. Maybe that’s a flaw, or maybe it’s a strength, but it’s still how the sane manage to live together out here in reality. > > So cut the excuse-making for your bloodthirst. It convinces only your fellow sociopaths. To be fair, he is starting to convince me to shoot jay-walkers. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7651 "2017-05-08T19:43:34Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > No, but then where did I say that? > > I would not kill someone over property, and I feel it is the wrong thing to do. > > If you feel differently, and if the law agrees, then do what you have to do. Oh, OK. So you were just giving your opinion but recognize that its just an opinion and other people have equally valid opinions that make it perfectly acceptable for them to kill people who are trying to destroy their livelihood? > [@](#): > > Well, obviously, killing some random innocent person is pretty uncool, and is not going to protect your property, but it very well could be the result if you start shooting at people who you think look threatening to your property, whether because you misjudged their intent, or missed them and hit the bystander behind them. I was referring to the “lottery” a story about killing an innocent person for the greater good. You take the chance of missing your assailant and killing an innocent EVERY TIME you shoot a gun in self defense. And shooting looting arsonists is not shooting people who LOOK threatening to your property it is shooting looting arsonists. > [@](#): > > But, to the person who is vandalising or burning your store, I would not kill them either. Property is not worth killing for. In your opinion, right? I mean reasonable minds can disagree over the value of the life of the criminal that is looting and burning down your livelihood, the means by which you feed and clothe your family, compared to your ability to provide for your family, right? > [@](#): > > Looters are a civil emergency, like any other. No, they’re criminals. > [@](#): > > You have earthquakes, floods, fire, there are many reasons you could be wiped out, [ And if I could stop an earthquake or flood by shooting it, I would. Wouldn’t you? > [@](#): > > if you didn’t bother to get insurance, which was not impossible, though about 30% of the businesses in the area chose not to pay for it. Did you miss the part where I say that many of these businesses were uninsurable? And what do you mean by not impossible to get insurance? > [@](#): > > If you could kill a person to prevent a flood from destroying your property, would you? If that person was trying to cause the flood that would destroy my livelihood, then yes. If they are an innocent bystander that God has told me would prevent a flood of fully insured property with their death, then no. > [@](#): > > Now, you threw in “lives” into that last statement, which is different than property. I too would kill someone who was threatening the life of someone else, if that was the only way to prevent it. Forget the part about lives then, (I would submit that these looters were looting stores in the presence of store owners and using threat of force to prevent the store owners from blocking the doorway to their stores), I would kill looters to prevent the destruction of a family’s livelihood. > [@](#): > > And, at this point, what has happened to the shop keepers who were willing to kill to prevent their stores from being looted and going out of business? Well, most of them went out of business because the riots left a long lasting impression on the economy of the area. So, killing people to protect property did not actually protect their businesses. Well many of the places that got burned down stayed burned down because (once again) many of these places were uninsurable. 45% of the damage caused during the LA riots were to Korean owned property. Koreatown rebuilt and it is doing better than ever by all accounts. The credible threat to kill looters made it unnecessary to actually kill any looters. So the Koreans should have armed themselves at the beginning of rioting instead of waiting until half the area had been burnt down. It might have cut the riots short and saved lives in the process. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7652 "2017-05-08T19:50:43Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yes, your stuff matters more than anyone’s life. Got it. :rolleyes: If that other person is a criminal trying to destroy the means by which i feed my family? Then yes, of course. > [@](#): > > Ever hear of homeowner’s or renter’s insurance? It covers that stuff. Cheaper than ammo, too, and doesn’t involve shutting off any sort of sense of morality. You ever hear of uninsurable? You know how some people with pre-existing conditions didn’t used to be able to get health care before Obamacare? Well property casualty insurers do the same thing in high risk neighborhoods. It seems like some of the left wing nutjobs on this board have an intimate grasp of what uninsurable means for someone with diabetes but not for businesses in a high risk neighborhood. > [@](#): > > Now do tell us more about how the best defense against black people with guns is white people with guns. WTF are you talking about? Your arguments always devolve into “you’re a racist” with absolutely no evidence of racism. You are the reason why Trump won. people like you spent so much time ascribing everything to racism that people became blind to ACTUAL racism when it popped up during the election. You vaccinated people against charges of racism. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7653 "2017-05-08T19:59:53Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Interesting that you would bring that up. Part of the social contract, codified in our legal system as well, is that you don’t get to be a vigilante, making up your own rules about when killing someone is justified. The process defined under the social contract for getting justice against a thief involves judges and juries, not cowboys. And nowhere in it is theft a capital offense. > > If \*you \*ever get the chance to violate the social contract, and the law, in any of the scenarios you fantasize about, you can expect to receive more justice from it than you’re willing to give. Maybe that’s a flaw, or maybe it’s a strength, but it’s still how the sane manage to live together out here in reality. > > So cut the excuse-making for your bloodthirst. It convinces only your fellow sociopaths. You’re a fucking idiot. Lumpy isn’t saying that he would shoot someone that he catches shoplifting at his store. When you have to make ridiculous statements to “make yourself right” you might wonder if you are actually right. BTW as an aside, Horse theft used to be a capital offense, still might be in places like Montana and Wyoming where being stuck without a horse might mean starvation or death. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7654 "2017-05-09T00:17:09Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You’re a fucking idiot. Lumpy isn’t saying that he would shoot someone that he catches shoplifting at his store. When you have to make ridiculous statements to “make yourself right” you might wonder if you are actually right. > > BTW as an aside, Horse theft used to be a capital offense, still might be in places like Montana and Wyoming where being stuck without a horse might mean starvation or death. You know, maybe every time ElvisL1ves posts something stupid, we should keep a tally in a dedicated Stupid ElvisL1ves Post of the Day thread. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7655 "2017-05-09T01:39:48Z")
[7th Grader Suspended for ‘Liking’ Photo of Airsoft Gun On Instagram](http://www.dailywire.com/news/16183/7th-grader-suspended-liking-photo-airsoft-gun-hank-berrien) I suppose it’s fortunate he didn’t also ‘like’ poptarts. They would have had him involuntarily committed. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7656 "2017-05-25T12:15:18Z")
After a minor auto accident, a Responsible Gun Owner makes the completely justified tactical decision to throw down. He neutralized the threat. The aggressor (sure, he didn’t have a gun, but he did have a car, which kill way more people than guns) was taken to the hospital. An armed society is a polite society! > **[Driver shot in dispute that followed crash, Maplewood police say](https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/driver-shot-in-dispute-that-followed-crash-maplewood-police-say/article_5ceb0c41-dd71-5135-9879-d3c01253198b.html?utm_content=buffer57608&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC)** > > "There were multiple witnesses at the scene," a police lieutenant said. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7657 "2017-05-25T16:18:47Z")
Locally, we have [a legislator just appointed to a judgeship](http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-eric-eisnaugle-5th-dca-judge-scott-maxwell-20170509-story.html)who is best known for > [@](#): > > the “Pop Tart” bill — an NRA-backed bill that guaranteed schoolchildren the right to eat gun-shaped breakfast treats. [Thanks, Governor Scott](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/21/scott-pop-tart_n_5518167.html). Now bugger off, willya? > [@](#): > > Lawmakers approved the so-called “Pop-Tart” bill after an 8-year-old Maryland boy earned a suspension for biting a Pop-Tart into the shape of a gun last year. > > The boy later received a lifetime membership to the National Rifle Association, which supported the legislation. Probably more at #FloridaMan but I haven’t the heart. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7658 "2017-05-25T17:08:28Z")
So… what do you Ah screw it, debating **ElvisL1ves** is like trying to reason with the Joker. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7659 "2017-05-25T17:20:29Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > You know, maybe every time ElvisL1ves posts something stupid, we should keep a tally in a dedicated Stupid ElvisL1ves Post of the Day thread. If you do a search and put ElvisLives in the author field and hit search, you will get a list of every stupid post he has made. …Its a long list. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7660 "2017-05-25T19:41:14Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > After a minor auto accident, a Responsible Gun Owner makes the completely justified tactical decision to throw down. He neutralized the threat. The aggressor (sure, he didn’t have a gun, but he did have a car, which kill way more people than guns) was taken to the hospital. > > An armed society is a polite society! > > [Driver shot in dispute that followed crash, Maplewood police say](http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/driver-shot-in-dispute-that-followed-crash-maplewood-police-say/article_5ceb0c41-dd71-5135-9879-d3c01253198b.html?utm_content=buffer57608&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC) Another one of those insufficient information stories. Maybe justified, maybe not. I won’t put my money or opinion down either way. Once all the reports are filed this one might just as well be a candidate for the Positive Gun News thread. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7661 "2017-05-25T19:49:39Z")
I know of a couple of posters who obviously \*try \*to carry their Pop Tarts concealed without a permit, but don’t get very far down the street. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=382) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=384)