# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 388
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7742 "2017-10-12T05:08:13Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > [Where’s a good toddler with a gun when you need them?](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-toddler-shoots-children-michigan-day-care-50150818) Here you go. This cracks me down for some reason:😛 > **[Remorseful Hitman Kid!](https://www.somethingawful.com/photoshop-phriday/child-gun-photo/)** > > Crying Boy With Gun On Coast - buy this stock photo on Shutterstock & find other images. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7743 "2017-10-12T20:05:28Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > This conversation has taken a painful turn. Y’know, that’s not what the “decocking lever” is for… ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7744 "2017-10-13T00:57:34Z")
Or ball rounds. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7745 "2017-10-14T06:29:52Z")
One pressing question is: _ **What causes Americans to vote Stupid?** _ Is it speaking in tongues? Prosperity gospel or other “Christian” aberrations? Is it lack of education? Innate stupidity? Racism? Gullibility? Cognition that emphasizes amygdala rather than temporal lobe? Homophobia? It turns out that one single factor is a better predictor of voting Stupid than any of the above: [_ **Gun ownership.** _](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/upshot/gun-ownership-partisan-divide.html) If only non-gunnists voted, Hillary would have won every state except West Virginia. If only households with guns could vote, Trump would have won every state except Vermont. I was never in with the anti-gun clique, but this may change my mind. Ban guns and get the Stupid out of politics! ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7746 "2017-10-19T16:29:11Z")
Gas station clerk suspects customer of trying to steal a bag of candy worth $1.10. They argue. Customer leaves the store. Clerk follows customer and shoots him dead. > **[St. Louis gas station clerk killed customer in dispute over $1 bag of candy,...](https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-gas-station-clerk-killed-customer-in-dispute-over/article_76b8b893-37c2-5e41-87aa-313e1c9384f2.html#tncms-source=home-top-story-1)** > > Charges say the victim did not steal the candy. A dollar’s worth of candy. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7747 "2017-10-19T17:41:48Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Gas station clerk suspects customer of trying to steal a bag of candy worth $1.10. They argue. Customer leaves the store. Clerk follows customer and shoots him dead. > > [St. Louis gas station clerk killed customer in dispute over $1 bag of candy, charges say](http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-gas-station-clerk-killed-customer-in-dispute-over/article_76b8b893-37c2-5e41-87aa-313e1c9384f2.html#tncms-source=home-top-story-1) > > A dollar’s worth of candy. I’ve been told on these boards on numerous occasions by pro-gun advocates that property is worth killing for, and while I’ve disagreed with them on that notion, it seems that is not an uncommon sentiment amongst the well armed. I assume that they will be by to defend this shopkeeper soon enough. Even though the guy didn’t actually have the bag of candy on him, just like threats to one’s life, it’s not whether he actually stole it, it is if the shopkeeper perceived him to have stolen it that is important. In lighter news, no one died, or even got shot, but [here’s a 9 year old facing felony charges](http://www.wlwt.com/article/third-grader-arrested-for-bringing-loaded-gun-extra-ammo-to-school/13047971). ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7748 "2017-10-19T17:56:39Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Gas station clerk suspects customer of trying to steal a bag of candy worth $1.10. They argue. Customer leaves the store. Clerk follows customer and shoots him dead. > > [St. Louis gas station clerk killed customer in dispute over $1 bag of candy, charges say](http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-gas-station-clerk-killed-customer-in-dispute-over/article_76b8b893-37c2-5e41-87aa-313e1c9384f2.html#tncms-source=home-top-story-1) > > A dollar’s worth of candy. I know you’re being sarcastic, but it’s the principle of the thing. And anyway, suspicion of stealing candy is just a gateway crime. Next time he’d be suspected of stealing a six-pack of beer. Or a bottle of premium whiskey. Where are you going to draw the line? I suppose you’d let him take your Ferrari? Your wife? At least the hero of the story wasn’t in some Soviet-style Europe country you libtards are so proud of — like France. There’d he have to take the suspect out with a knife, messing or even damaging his hands. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7749 "2017-10-19T18:20:58Z")
I can’t keep track — has this already been posted? **Just a few days ago [a 9-year old was arrested for bringing a loaded gun to school.](http://www.wlwt.com/article/third-grader-arrested-for-bringing-loaded-gun-extra-ammo-to-school/13047971)** He was being bullied, and the school lacked any special resource to redress bullying. Was the kid villain or hero? Should the mother’s boyfriend have any gun permit revoked? > [@](#): > > The child is charged with felonious assault, illegal conveyance of a deadly weapons[sic] and carrying a concealed weapon. He appeared in juvenile court Tuesday and was ordered to remain in the juvenile detention center, at least through next week when he appears in court again. He will undergo a competency and psychological evaluation and risk assessment. > > His mother’s boyfriend faces a child endangering charge. Police said he left the gun in a place inside their home where the child had access to it. I’m not sure how to feel about this. The Second Amendment doesn’t imply any minimum age — indeed a lad precocious enough to handle a handgun at age 9 might make a _very valuable contribution to our well regulated militia,_ if he trains for another 6 to 12 years. Note that he _never_ drew his weapon: Shouldn’t the man be allowed to carry in case he needs the arm for self-defense or to stand his ground? OTOH, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to require anyone younger than, say, 12-16 to need a permit to carry a high-caliber or semi-automatic gun. (And you gun-grabbing statists say we pro-freedom patriots never compromise.) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7750 "2017-10-19T18:50:45Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’ve been told on these boards on numerous occasions by pro-gun advocates that property is worth killing for, and while I’ve disagreed with them on that notion, it seems that is not an uncommon sentiment amongst the well armed That’s because by expanding the definition of “Things worth killing someone for” to include property, there is a higher chance they will actually get to use all those guns to kill somebody. If they simply thought “Danger to themselves or family” was the only reason to kill someone, why, they just might not get to kill anyone at all! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7751 "2017-10-19T18:56:04Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I can’t keep track — has this already been posted? **Just a few days ago [a 9-year old was arrested for bringing a loaded gun to school.](http://www.wlwt.com/article/third-grader-arrested-for-bringing-loaded-gun-extra-ammo-to-school/13047971)** He was being bullied, and the school lacked any special resource to redress bullying. Was the kid villain or hero? Should the mother’s boyfriend have any gun permit revoked? Looks like Ohio law requires one to be 21 to get a concealed handgun license. Can a 9-year old bring a case against the State of Ohio for infringing on his right to carry a gun? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7752 "2017-10-19T18:57:55Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Gas station clerk suspects customer of trying to steal a bag of candy worth $1.10. They argue. Customer leaves the store. Clerk follows customer and shoots him dead. > > [St. Louis gas station clerk killed customer in dispute over $1 bag of candy, charges say](http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-gas-station-clerk-killed-customer-in-dispute-over/article_76b8b893-37c2-5e41-87aa-313e1c9384f2.html#tncms-source=home-top-story-1) > > A dollar’s worth of candy. This will probably go into the stats for “justified gun use”. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7753 "2017-10-19T18:57:55Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I can’t keep track — has this already been posted? Just posted it a bit ago. In my neck of the woods, surprised it’s been heard of outside the area. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > In lighter news, no one died, or even got shot, but [here’s a 9 year old facing felony charges](http://www.wlwt.com/article/third-grader-arrested-for-bringing-loaded-gun-extra-ammo-to-school/13047971). > [@](#): > > **Just a few days ago [a 9-year old was arrested for bringing a loaded gun to school.](http://www.wlwt.com/article/third-grader-arrested-for-bringing-loaded-gun-extra-ammo-to-school/13047971)** He was being bullied, and the school lacked any special resource to redress bullying. Was the kid villain or hero? Should the mother’s boyfriend have any gun permit revoked? Bullying is a problem, and it’s not just a problem for the bullied. Had another [local student arrested for making "terrorist threats"](http://www.wlwt.com/article/attorney-lakota-east-teen-accused-of-making-threat-was-bullied/13030794)because he was being bullied. > [@](#): > > I’m not sure how to feel about this. The Second Amendment doesn’t imply any minimum age — indeed a lad precocious enough to handle a handgun at age 9 might make a _very valuable contribution to our well regulated militia,_ if he trains for another 6 to 12 years. Note that he _never_ drew his weapon: Shouldn’t the man be allowed to carry in case he needs the arm for self-defense or to stand his ground? > > OTOH, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to require anyone younger than, say, 12-16 to need a permit to carry a high-caliber or semi-automatic gun. (And you gun-grabbing statists say we pro-freedom patriots never compromise.) An armed student population is a polite student population. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7754 "2017-10-19T21:08:20Z")
Been raining a bit, lately. I notice my ceiling dripping. So I go up on the roof and, naturally, find a fucking bullet hole. It is a metal roof, so the evidence is unmistakable: uniform, deep, not quite vertical, about the size one would expect from a .22. Fucking assholes. Probably came from this block (it is a long block). Yeah, they scored a TD, use your fireworks, do _ **not** _ fire your gun to the sky in celebration. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2017, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7755 "2017-10-21T04:12:18Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Gas station clerk suspects customer of trying to steal a bag of candy worth $1.10. They argue. Customer leaves the store. Clerk follows customer and shoots him dead. > > [St. Louis gas station clerk killed customer in dispute over $1 bag of candy, charges say](http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-gas-station-clerk-killed-customer-in-dispute-over/article_76b8b893-37c2-5e41-87aa-313e1c9384f2.html#tncms-source=home-top-story-1) > > A dollar’s worth of candy. Well, to be fair, it _was_ more than just a dollar’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7756 "2017-10-21T19:20:07Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Well, to be fair, it _was_ more than just a dollar’s worth. Except that the clerk just assumed and got it wrong: > [@](#): > > Charges say Simmons “did not steal or leave the store with candy” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7757 "2017-10-21T19:25:29Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > Except that the clerk just assumed and got it wrong: I think that starting a debate with a 4-star convienices store clerk is highly inappropriate. ---
**Author:** ![LongTimeLurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@LongTimeLurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LongTimeLurker)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7758 "2017-10-22T01:50:40Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > \ > > An armed student population is a polite student population. I wouldn’t want to be the teacher that had to give out a failing grade. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7759 "2017-10-22T01:59:53Z")
> [@LongTimeLurker](#): > > I wouldn’t want to be the teacher that had to give out a failing grade. _“But you know what makes me sick?”_ ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7760 "2017-10-22T21:46:24Z")
[Indiana man gets all his guns stolen](http://fox59.com/2017/10/20/kokomo-mans-warning-after-having-16-guns-stolen-dont-let-strippers-in-your-house/), and the lesson is “Don’t let strippers in your house.” > [@](#): > > Swaggerty considers himself a responsible legal gun owner who has been victimized by his good nature and firearms security that wasn’t tough enough. > > “Why do I collect them? Why do people collect bottle caps? I like guns,” he said. The broader picture: > [@](#): > > IMPD has recorded 555 stolen gun reports through Aug. 31 of this year, nearly half of them taken from vehicles often left unlocked. > > “There’s more guns available, there’s more guns being stolen,” said Dr. Jody Lynee Madeira of the IU Law School, who tracks Indiana gun laws. “We’re creating an enormous supply of guns in trunks where the criminals know exactly pretty much where to find them. > > “I think the proliferation of guns is connected to the increase in murders that Indiana has experienced which I think is up 4.1 percent in the last year (according to recent FBI statistics).” ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7761 "2017-10-23T02:26:41Z")
> [@LongTimeLurker](#): > > I wouldn’t want to be the teacher that had to give out a failing grade. Because so many teachers get assaulted every year by angry students? Around here that happens once every- never. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=387) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=389)