# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 400
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7982 "2018-03-09T22:27:50Z")
It wasn’t Jesus who said “You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.” It was Al Capone. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7983 "2018-03-09T22:38:15Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > My reply to this ballooned into a treatise, I’ll get back to you once I can parse it down to the essentials. > By what the banners who came out of the woodwork since the Florida shooting have been saying, yeah it pretty much looks that way. > See “dismantling the gun culture”. > That I couldn’t speak to. > I’m sure there are plenty of people who imagine a compromise involving some combination of registration, low capacity/low firing rate guns, universal background checks, licensing, etc. - gun control light in other words. The problem is that once it’s conceded that people have no inherent right to own proscribed weapons, once banning (at least some) guns is acknowledged to be within the general power of the state, then yes there is a slippery slope down to effectively none at all. And plenty of people who vocally advocate for just such a thing, and who are on record as seeking every precedent, every incremental step in the “right” direction that can be accomplished. The very gun control debate we’re currently having is evidence of a slippery slope, when no one pre-1968 would have seriously imagined. We already have effectively a federal ban (the 1934 National Firearms Act and the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Acton) to prevent every knuckle dragger from having machine guns. The slippery slope did NOT kick in when they was written. The Clintonistas and the Obamunists did not seize all the guns everywhere. So maybe it’s time for a few more controls. The usual arguments such as “too soon to talk about it” (it’s never time to talk), don’t politicize it (it was political as soon as the NRA turned radical), Slippery Slope To Communism, etc etc don’t work anymore. The refusal to consider ANYthing at all is selfish egregious bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7984 "2018-03-09T22:43:01Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Why don’t they simply pray any crazed gunman away? Or call down the power of Jeebus to help them? Thoughts and Prayers all around. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7985 "2018-03-10T00:32:21Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > We already have effectively a federal ban (the 1934 National Firearms Act and the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Acton) to prevent every knuckle dragger from having machine guns. The slippery slope did NOT kick in when they was written. Yes it did. Then we had the AWB, which would still be in effect if it hadn’t had a sunset clause. And now they want to ban/restrict pretty much all semi-automatic rifles. If we haven’t slid down the slippery slope, it’s because gun owners have clawed their way back up by their fingernails. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7986 "2018-03-10T00:44:25Z")
Well, then, you better gather up your arsenal and go prevent the government from visiting tyranny upon you. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7987 "2018-03-10T01:55:30Z")
Courtesy of the Taliban, children are shot for going to school in Swat. Courtesy of the NRA, children are shot in school in the USA. Both the Taliban and the NRA are terrorist organizations populated and popularized by people who are so firmly fixed in their evil beliefs that in their fetid little minds they rationalize away children’s lives and try to convince the world that they are on the paths to righteousness and rights. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7988 "2018-03-10T03:05:47Z")
As of this writing, the incident at the veterans’ home is still going on. It’s currently 8 and 1/2 hours ongoing. Authorities are saying the guy is a PTSD victim who was being treated at the facility’s mental health care, and he was recently asked to leave the program. The three hostages are all employees of the mental health office. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7989 "2018-03-10T04:33:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > As of this writing, the incident at the veterans’ home is still going on. It’s currently 8 and 1/2 hours ongoing. Authorities are saying the guy is a PTSD victim who was being treated at the facility’s mental health care, and he was recently asked to leave the program. The three hostages are all employees of the mental health office. [ABC is now confirming the gunman and three hostages have been killed.](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-gunman-takes-hostages-california-vets-home-53643491) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7990 "2018-03-10T05:22:46Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Courtesy of the Taliban, children are shot for going to school in Swat. > Courtesy of the NRA, children are shot in school in the USA. > > Both the Taliban and the NRA are terrorist organizations populated and popularized by people who are so firmly fixed in their evil beliefs that in their fetid little minds they rationalize away children’s lives and try to convince the world that they are on the paths to righteousness and rights. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7991 "2018-03-10T18:45:53Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Yes it did. Then we had the AWB, which would still be in effect if it hadn’t had a sunset clause. And now they want to ban/restrict pretty much all semi-automatic rifles. If we haven’t slid down the slippery slope, it’s because gun owners have clawed their way back up by their fingernails. “Then we had the AWB”? You do realize that it more than half a century between the two, right? If we are going down a slippery slope, it’s the shallowest slope there is. And who is “they”, in your comment, exactly? And what do you consider a restriction? Do you consider that Dicks sporting goods will no longer sell the AR-15 to be a restriction to be fought against? Do you consider florida requiring you to be 21 to buy a gun, and a 3 day waiting period to be an unacceptable restriction? Of course, the AWB had enough support in congress for it to be renewed. It just didn’t have the support of the speaker who refused to bring it to the floor for a vote, so if you are clawing at anything, it is the basic concept of democracy. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7992 "2018-03-10T19:07:07Z")
Ogdam copycats > [@"\[NY Post](#): > > ([Mom accused of threatening school shooting after losing phone at front desk](https://nypost.com/2018/03/09/mom-accused-of-threatening-school-shooting-after-losing-phone-at-front-desk/amp/))"]“If I don’t get my phone back, I’m going to come back and shoot up the school! No child is safe because what happened in Texas and Florida is going to happen here!’’ (Josette Smalls) allegedly raged … was arrested Friday, charged with making terroristic threats and released on her own recognizance. Of course, only being charged with a threat, I would guess her guns are safe from seizure. For now. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7993 "2018-03-10T20:31:52Z")
Student brings gun to school, [predictable results result](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/03/09/alabama-high-school-student-charged-in-classroom-shooting-that-left-classmate-dead/?utm_term=.bea6006300c6). In the wake of the florida shooting, and the national conversation about what to do about gun violence coming to our schools, it is suggested that teachers start carrying weapons. Now, as a former student, I thought that was a terrible idea, however, if I were a current student, I would think it’s even stupider, and if I am being told that my history teacher is now in charge of my safety, that’s not acceptable, I’m bringing my own. It is poor logic, but it follows the same logic that arms the teachers, so it really cannot be faulted in students. they are being told that they are not safe in their schools and classrooms, and they are not going to accept the teacher as their protector. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7994 "2018-03-12T22:08:01Z")
Road rage incident leads to the death of a young woman after a good guy with a gun uses his legal weapon to shoot and kill her. > **[28-Year-Old David Desper Charged in Road Rage Killing of 18-Year-Old Bianca...](https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/national-international/police-update-on-road-rage-killing-of-18-yr-old/21293/)** > > After a dramatic manhunt that lasted several days and spanned multiple states, Chester County, Pennsylvania, authorities have charged David Andrew Desper, 28, with first-degree murder for the road rage killing of recent high school graduate Bianca... ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7995 "2018-03-12T22:27:58Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Road rage incident leads to the death of a young woman after a good guy with a gun uses his legal weapon to shoot and kill her. > [28-Year-Old David Desper Charged in Road Rage Killing of 18-Year-Old Bianca Roberson – NBC10 Philadelphia](https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Police-Update-on-Road-Rage-Killing-of-18-Yr-Old-432100983.html) Despite the story being updated recently, that incident was more than 9 months ago. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7996 "2018-03-12T22:28:39Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Despite being updated recently, that incident was more than 9 months ago. Yes. It says so right at the very top of the story. And? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7997 "2018-03-12T22:31:10Z")
It should be noted the accused has a permit to carry. How many times have gun rights defenders right here on this board said CCW permittees are much less likely to have a bad day and kill someone for no good reason? So much for that canard. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7998 "2018-03-12T22:32:34Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It should be noted the accused has a permit to carry. How many times have gun rights defenders right here on this board said CCW permittees are much less likely to have a bad day and kill someone for no good reason? So much for that canard. Less likely, not never. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/7999 "2018-03-12T22:40:31Z")
I like to hearken back to the arguments against Biometric Gun Locks - you know the thumb print lets you fire it thingie … much the same way that you unlock your goddamned iPhone? Anyway … we can’t have that because it was found that, in an emergency, they may fail as much as 1% of the time and that is just way to much failure to put up with. Can’t have it. Nope. If it doesn’t work 100% of the time it isn’t worth it. Well, if 1% of CCWers fail, and someone dies, that is just too much failure (and death) to put up with. I suppose we should just shut that whole program down. If it isn’t 100% it just isn’t worth it. Their rules, not mine. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8000 "2018-03-12T23:01:11Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I like to hearken back to the arguments against Biometric Gun Locks - you know the thumb print lets you fire it thingie … much the same way that you unlock your goddamned iPhone? Anyway … we can’t have that because it was found that, in an emergency, they may fail as much as 1% of the time and that is just way to much failure to put up with. Can’t have it. Nope. If it doesn’t work 100% of the time it isn’t worth it. > > Well, if 1% of CCWers fail, and someone dies, that is just too much failure (and death) to put up with. I suppose we should just shut that whole program down. If it isn’t 100% it just isn’t worth it. > > Their rules, not mine. I’ll believe they’re a good idea when all police use them. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8001 "2018-03-12T23:30:12Z")
Wrong goal post you moved there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=399) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=401)