# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/801 "2013-02-27T23:56:44Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Breaking news - guns don’t shoot people, [dogs](http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/26/17107343-florida-man-shot-by-his-dog-police-say?lite) shoot people. I think this part is funny: > [@](#): > > According to the police report, Lanier said he was driving along State Road 17 North when the dog kicked “the unloaded .380 pistol.” It went on to say that Lanier was “surprised” to learn not only that the gun was loaded, but also that it was actually a 9mm weapon, not a .380. > The incident is only the latest in a string of bizarre shootings in Florida. Just last week, a woman in St. Petersburg was wounded when she was shot by a friend’s oven. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/802 "2013-02-28T03:41:00Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Damuri Ajashi, your rank ignorance of research and how it is done is shocking. > > You keep saying that the NCVS survey is research, and in a broad sense it is, but what you keep saying about the CDC and DoJ is akin to saying “Why should the NIH do research on cancer, since the American Cancer Society already did a survey and found out how many people have cancer.” > > CDC is an agency of the federal government, like NIH and DoJ. They do some internal stuff and a lot of external funding of research. DoJ is not particularly involved in research, although they do also do some funding of external research projects. > > Basically you’re coming off like a fool on the subject. So you admit that there is gun violence research being done by the government but I’m coming off like a fool for insisting that the government is doing research on gun violence because its not the kind of research you want? Like I said, I don’t have a problem with CDC research into gun violence but people act like we don’t know anything about gun violence because the CDC hasn’t weighed in since the 1990’s. So tell me what is making me sound foolish? Is it because I insist that research is being done despite the fact that the CDC has been banned from doing research? What about Hemenway at Harvard that someone mentioned earlier. Do they do any research into gun violence or were they banned too? Or does non-governmental research not count? It seems like you want the CDC to do research because you think only the CDC can do research on gun violence. They did research in the 1990’s, I told you what their research said and why it was perceived as biased. Did you even know what the research said before I told you? Did you know the particulars of why the NRA was objecting to the CDC research but not research done by other agencies? Or were you just jerking your knee? I’m sorry you are losing the gun control debate so badly, its one of the few issues that liberals are on the wrong side of the argument. I’m sorry that you aren’t as used to being wrong as the conservatives but if you keep beating the gun control drums, you are going to have to get used to that feeling. And you think I’m the one sounding foolish? Pffft!!! ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/803 "2013-02-28T09:48:28Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > In no other case is this sort of strict owner liability imposed. If some underage kids raid my bar and get caught, I am not liable for giving those underage kids liquor. But you would make me liable for an underage kid possessing my firearm as if I had given it to them? > > If I have a bottle of rat poison and a kid gets into and kills himself, I am not liable. But if a kid gets a hold of my gun and shoots himself, I’m guilty of a felony? Which felony? Murder? I’m guessing the reason you’re covered from prosecution is because of reasonable precautions. If you left your door open as a group of teens went past and winked at them before disappearing into the back room, it’d be a different story. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/804 "2013-02-28T11:40:32Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So you admit that there is gun violence research being done by the government but I’m coming off like a fool for insisting that the government is doing research on gun violence because its not the kind of research you want? Like I said, I don’t have a problem with CDC research into gun violence but people act like we don’t know anything about gun violence because the CDC hasn’t weighed in since the 1990’s. > > So tell me what is making me sound foolish? Is it because I insist that research is being done despite the fact that the CDC has been banned from doing research? What about Hemenway at Harvard that someone mentioned earlier. Do they do any research into gun violence or were they banned too? Or does non-governmental research not count? > > It seems like you want the CDC to do research because you think only the CDC can do research on gun violence. They did research in the 1990’s, I told you what their research said and why it was perceived as biased. Did you even know what the research said before I told you? Did you know the particulars of why the NRA was objecting to the CDC research but not research done by other agencies? Or were you just jerking your knee? > > I’m sorry you are losing the gun control debate so badly, its one of the few issues that liberals are on the wrong side of the argument. I’m sorry that you aren’t as used to being wrong as the conservatives but if you keep beating the gun control drums, you are going to have to get used to that feeling. > > And you think I’m the one sounding foolish? Pffft!!! So tell me, in the DoJ research, what factors correlate with self-reported defensive gun use? What predicted change in defensive gun use reports over time? Were there any limitations found to be associated with the method of data collection relative to other data collection efforts? Asking a survey is not the pinnacle of research. The DOJ is not a research organization. Individuals don’t fund their own research. Academic institutions don’t fund research to a meaningful degree. Certain agencies are tasked with investigating particular topics. The NIMH has dramatically pulled away from funding violence research. The focus on the public health aspects of gun violence is perfectly within the intent, scope, mandate and mission of the CDC. Understanding processes related to death and injury across the population is what they do. When a private organization with an agenda gets funding shut down, that’s a huge problem. You keep saying it’s okay because you found an interview with one guy who made an analogy to a medication risk profile that would result in that med getting banned. So, what gun violence research did that money get diverted to, then? Yes, you’re a fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/805 "2013-02-28T11:57:04Z")
Let me put it more succinctly, DA. Tell me what hypotheses the DOJ has tested regarding gun violence. Tell me what line of research they are planning based on the results of the hypotheses they previously tested. As to losing the debate, majorities agree with the liberal position. Congress is acting. It’s hard to see how this is losing. The only impediment to change is entrenched interests, which benefit greatly from the lack of empirical evidence. Liberals still believe knowledge is power. You should try it out. ---
**Author:** ![Skip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@Skip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skip)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/806 "2013-02-28T12:38:22Z")
[Texas School Worker Shot During Handgun Training Class](http://www.kltv.com/story/21419910/van-isd-employee-injured-at-handgun-training-class) > [@](#): > > At the conclusion of the CHL training on February 27, 2013, one certified person stayed for private instruction with the instructor and had a mechanical malfunction with his weapon. With the assistance of the instructor, the malfunction was addressed, but the gun misfired and the bullet ricocheted coming back to strike the VISD employee in the left leg. The VISD employee was attended to at the scene and transferred to Tyler for further treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/807 "2013-02-28T12:48:00Z")
A fourth-grade student in the San Antonio area was suspended after officials said she shot two classmates in the leg with an airsoft gun during class on Tuesday. Steve Linscomb, spokesman for Judson Independent School District, said the girl and a male classmate who brought the gun to Woodlake Elementary School were both suspended for three days. Neither of the girls who were shot had serious injuries, Linscomb said, adding there was some bruising but the pellets didn’t break their skin. The suspended students are set to undergo an assessment on March 1. “We’ll look and see if there was any kind of planning involved … or if they were actually wanting to hurt someone,” Linscomb said. “Those are the questions we hope to answer then.” Linscomb said the parents of the students involved were called Tuesday and an automated call went out to all parents Wednesday. One parent of an injured student has decided to file assault charges against the girl who fired the gun, Linscomb said." If only these 10 year olds had had firearms training, they wouldn’t have assault charges! ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/808 "2013-02-28T13:22:06Z")
I listened to the “This American Life” double podcast about life at Harper High School in Chicago and was shocked to learn that last year, 29 former or current students at Harper were shot and 8 died. 1. In one year. Chicago certainly has some unique problems with crime, guns and poverty, but 29 students from one high school in one year is incredible. > **[Announcements - This American Life](https://www.thisamericanlife.org/about/announcements)** > > Updates on the show. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/809 "2013-02-28T13:57:49Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/2j1tbwt0_tg/hqdefault.jpg "See how bullets can tear through a body") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j1tbwt0_tg) Piers Morgan and an ER surgeon from Sandy Hook who testified at the Capitol Hill hearings briefly discuss the difference between a handgun injury and an assault weapon injury, the effects of which displayed using 40 pound gel blocks. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/810 "2013-02-28T14:00:11Z")
“If we are going to wet our proverbial pants over 0.3% in annual spending cuts when we’re running up trillion dollar annual deficits, then we’re done. Put a fork in us. We’re finished. We’re going to default eventually and that’s why the feds are stockpiling bullets in case of civil unrest,” Palin wrote in a Facebook message Tuesday. Read more: [Palin: Feds are 'stockpiling bullets' - POLITICO](http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/sarah-palin-were-finished-88166.html#ixzz2MCbE86lg) Huh, didn’t know she was still alive. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/811 "2013-02-28T14:06:12Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > I listened to the “This American Life” double podcast about life at Harper High School in Chicago and was shocked to learn that last year, 29 former or current students at Harper were shot and 8 died. > > 1. In one year. > > Chicago certainly has some unique problems with crime, guns and poverty, but 29 students from one high school in one year is incredible. > > [http://www.thisamericanlife.org/blog/2013/02/press-release-about-our-upcoming-episodes-on-harper-high-school](http://www.thisamericanlife.org/blog/2013/02/press-release-about-our-upcoming-episodes-on-harper-high-school) But liberals just want to ban guns because they’re ignorant urbanites who probably have never _seen_ a gun. They have no idea how incredibly useful firearms are! All they know is that they’re black and scary, and they’d never have to live with the consequences of all the violence that would inevitably result if only criminals have guns! ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/812 "2013-02-28T14:33:10Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > “If we are going to wet our proverbial pants over 0.3% in annual spending cuts when we’re running up trillion dollar annual deficits, then we’re done. Put a fork in us. We’re finished. We’re going to default eventually and that’s why the feds are stockpiling bullets in case of civil unrest,” Palin wrote in a Facebook message Tuesday. Proverbial pants? I guess those are the ones we all put on one leg at a time? ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/813 "2013-02-28T15:09:08Z")
Texas state Rep. Dan Flynn introduced a bill to cut down the training required of concealed carry permit holders from 10 hours to just four. Flynn claimed there would be no difference between the two classes. WFAA reports: ``` “You spend a lot of time taking breaks, you spend a lot of time hearing stories,” Flynn said. “A lot of people who try to get their license, they have to take a day off of work, or they have to take a whole Saturday to go do this where, four hours, range time, you can do the same thing and it accomplishes it.” ``` Naturally, shooting instructors call the change unsafe. “It takes me four hours just to go through one segment, which is the lawful use of deadly force,” Travis Bond, a National Rifle Association member who runs a firearm training academy, said. “There’s no way you can teach people what they need to know.” [http://thinkprogress.org/?mobile=nc](http://thinkprogress.org/?mobile=nc) I’d like to see more responsibly trained gun owners, not less. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/814 "2013-02-28T15:18:32Z")
Not Pit worthy but WTF funny: [CPAC snubs Christie](http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/chris-christie-wishes-cpac-all-the-best-88204.html). Yeah, that makes total sense, snub the most highly approved Republican in the country. It’s not like you guys should be following his example if you ever hope to get your fucking party in order. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/815 "2013-02-28T15:19:35Z")
So, Lindsey Graham was upset that: “When almost 80,000 people fail a background check and 44 people are prosecuted, what kind of deterrent is that? I mean, the law obviously is not seeing that as important…. We absolutely do nothing to enforce the laws on the books…” But, not passing a background check is not a prosecutable crime in and of itself, as far as I know. Milwaukee police chief Edward Flynn pointed out that the police just don’t have the resources to attempt to prosecute the 76,000 people who were declined a gun purchase based on a background check. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/816 "2013-02-28T15:23:25Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > Not Pit worthy but WTF funny: > > [CPAC snubs Christie](http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/chris-christie-wishes-cpac-all-the-best-88204.html). > > Yeah, that makes total sense, snub the most highly approved Republican in the country. It’s not like you guys should be following his example if you ever hope to get your fucking party in order. Yah, I enjoyed that, too. It was only a few short months ago the Christie was the new GOP golden boy and potential savior. The GOP/conservatives/Republicans/tea partiers/libertarians (I get who-is-who and all of them confused these days. But then, so do they.) is positively schizophrenic right now. ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/817 "2013-02-28T16:21:38Z")
Vigilante [shoots](http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Orange-City-Walmart-customer-shoots-suspected-shoplifter/-/1637132/19107274/-/rotvq8/-/index.html) at shoplifter in Walmart parking lot, hitting several cars. > [@](#): > > ORANGE CITY, Fla. - > > A man arrested for opening fire in a busy Walmart parking lot said he was trying to stop a shoplifter and is now defending his actions. > > Orange City police arrested Jose Martinez, 35, after they said he unleashed at least five bullets in the parking lot of the Walmart on Veterans Memorial Parkway. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/818 "2013-02-28T16:29:30Z")
> [@lost4life](#): > > Vigilante [shoots](http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Orange-City-Walmart-customer-shoots-suspected-shoplifter/-/1637132/19107274/-/rotvq8/-/index.html) at shoplifter in Walmart parking lot, hitting several cars. Wow. > [@](#): > > Martinez said to Local 6, he thought nobody else was in danger by his gunfire and he was surprised police arrested him. **Martinez started opening fire because he said he wanted to mark the suspect’s car as he fled from the scene.** He has his concealed weapons permit but has been charged with two felonies, aggravated assault and shooting into an occupied vehicle. That’s a new one. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/819 "2013-02-28T16:33:45Z")
> [@lost4life](#): > > Vigilante [shoots](http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Orange-City-Walmart-customer-shoots-suspected-shoplifter/-/1637132/19107274/-/rotvq8/-/index.html) at shoplifter in Walmart parking lot, hitting several cars. But, but, but he’s a CCW dude. They are paragons of calm, cool collected gun saavy! They never commit crimes! ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/820 "2013-02-28T16:34:55Z")
> [@lost4life](#): > > Vigilante [shoots](http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Orange-City-Walmart-customer-shoots-suspected-shoplifter/-/1637132/19107274/-/rotvq8/-/index.html) at shoplifter in Walmart parking lot, hitting several cars. Deadly force for shoplifting? Let us hope Walmart doesn’t take that to heart as they complete their takeover of the economy… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=42)