# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 423
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8442 "2018-08-04T16:12:07Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Welcome, again. Please note, I am not a regulatory expert. > > Also, IMHO, rumors of the NRA’s impending financial doom are greatly exaggerated. Agreed. I think it’s a thinly-veiled request for more and larger donations. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8443 "2018-08-11T10:10:17Z")
[Shooting assault rifles into the air catches on as the latest thing to do on a Saturday night.](https://kmox.radio.com/articles/st-louis-police-chief-calls-armed-cruising-growing-problem) > [@](#): > > St. Louis Police Chief John Hayden says “cruising” has been around for as long as there have been cars and people who want to show them off and interact with others. > > “But what’s new is the actual firing of guns,” he told reporters Friday. “We’re going to have some increased enforcement there simply because many of the persons involved are starting to carry firearms openly. So this is what I’m going to refer to as ‘armed cruising’ and it’s a cause for concern.” Oh, but open carry is a god-given right in the state of Ohio. Can’t do anything about it until some jackass starts popping off a few rounds at a crowded intersection. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8444 "2018-08-11T14:56:58Z")
[A story of a law abiding gun owner, up until he wasn’t.](https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/local/lebanon/2018/08/06/accused-killer-gerald-koller-lebanon-ohio-resident-jk-excavating-owner-told-cape-coral-police-crazy/916411002/) > [@](#): > > Police took Koller in for questioning. They said he was read his Miranda rights and asked to talk to detectives about what happened. > > “I snapped and that’s all there is to it,” Koller told police. > > Detectives asked Koller if he wanted to explain further. He declined. > > “I’m crazy. Just lock me up,” Koller said to the police at one point during the questioning, according to the report. I really debated putting this in the positive gun news story thread, because in the end, it really is. This was in florida, and there were no witnesses to the altercation and lead up to the murder. He very well could have claimed self defense under florida’s stand your ground laws, and got off scott-free. Instead, he accepted the responsibility of what he had done, and is willing to face the consequences of ending another human’s life, maybe it’s just because he’s from Ohio, so is not used to having legalized murder. So, pretty stand up guy, except, of course, for the murdery bit. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8445 "2018-08-11T16:03:48Z")
Going back to the Stand Your Ground law, it really is outrageous how Florida essentially makes manslaughter almost legal. I don’t care that Drejka was shoved to the ground; that tends to happen when stand inches away from someone’s wife and child and shout at them over parking in a handicapped lot. “Yeah, but it’s not a crime to shout at someone” True, it’s not but that’s missing the point. When someone walks around in possession of a deadly weapon, they automatically have an even greater responsibility to act even more judiciously than they otherwise would. The law may not say that, but common sense does. It’s the same logic that requires nations with nuclear weapons to behave even more cautiously and judiciously in their interactions with others and their application of force than those without them. I don’t even have a problem with “standing one’s ground” in a variety of circumstances. If someone has a fit of road rage while you’re stopped at an intersection, you don’t have a duty to retreat. But when someone initiates a hostile encounter, however right they might be, they lose the right to stand their ground. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8446 "2018-08-11T16:22:15Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … “Yeah, but it’s not a crime to shout at someone” … I am not so sure. Initiating and persisting in unwanted contact may be classified as “assault”, which is, at the very least, a misdemeanor. If the other person feels threatened, you might get charged with something like menacing. Yelling at someone and not giving them the opportunity to get away from you puts you on the wrong side of the situation. > [@](#): > > … when someone initiates a hostile encounter, however right they might be, they lose the right to stand their ground. Should, anyway. Florida law does not seem very good at applying/enforcing that principle. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8447 "2018-08-13T17:01:58Z")
Finally, that Florida shooter is [getting charged with manslaughter](https://www.wfla.com/1365515379) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8448 "2018-08-13T18:59:30Z")
I just saw that on Bing news. Good. I can’t help but think how similar this incident may have been to the Martin/Zimmerman affair. Aggressor with gun thinks he has some authority to go after a perceived law-breaker, aggressor gets roughed up for his trouble and aggressor decides to solve the problem he started with his gun. Sounds damn similar, if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8449 "2018-08-13T19:21:59Z")
IIRC Florida SYG as it has been written and applied so far has had complaints about fuzziness in the case of the person who initiates a confrontation — basically a matter of what does or does not constitute provoking the threat. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8450 "2018-08-13T22:28:20Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Two men argue over a parking space. One pushes the other to the ground, who responds by drawing a gun and killing the other man. Stand your ground invoked, no charges filed. > > [Video here.](ABC News: Gunman in parking space shooting not charged because of ‘Stand Your Ground’ law. > [Gunman in parking space shooting not charged because of 'Stand Your Ground' law - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-parking-space-shooting-charged-stand-ground-law/story?id=56715356)) [Manslaughter charge filed](https://apnews.com/e062c7d974814482b0d9f9abce1e42f4/White-man-charged-with-fatally-shooting-black-man-in-Florida). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8451 "2018-08-14T02:41:42Z")
Good. Florida takes a small step back from the brink. Of course they’ve been running full-tilt at the brink for quite some time, but every little bit helps. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8452 "2018-08-22T01:35:59Z")
That’s SAT **T** , for [School-Age Trauma Training](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/us/dhs-training-students-mass-casualties.html), a new U.S. government program that, per the NYT, “will award a $1.8 million grant to create a program to teach high school students proper bleeding-control techniques.” > [@](#): > > “Similar to how students learn health education and driver’s education, they must learn proper bleeding control techniques using commonly available materials,’’ according to the [Department of Homeland Security] notice, “including how to use their hands, dressings and tourniquets.” This is my breaking point on this issue. If we’re going to teach school kids how to learn proper bleeding control techniques rather than do something about guns, that’s the end of my tolerance of this crap. Confiscate them all. Every last rifle, every last handgun, in civilian hands. Take them all away before we have to go teaching our kids proper bleeding control techniques. If the pro-gun types would rather see classes like these than come up with solutions to gun violence that actually work, then fuck 'em all, every last one of them. We should never have come to this horrible, abominable point as a society. But here we are. Confiscate them all. Fuck half measures. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8453 "2018-08-22T18:17:21Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > That’s SAT **T** , for [School-Age Trauma Training](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/us/dhs-training-students-mass-casualties.html), a new U.S. government program that, per the NYT, “will award a $1.8 million grant to create a program to teach high school students proper bleeding-control techniques.” > This is my breaking point on this issue. If we’re going to teach school kids how to learn proper bleeding control techniques rather than do something about guns, that’s the end of my tolerance of this crap. > > Confiscate them all. Every last rifle, every last handgun, in civilian hands. Take them all away before we have to go teaching our kids proper bleeding control techniques. If the pro-gun types would rather see classes like these than come up with solutions to gun violence that actually work, then fuck 'em all, every last one of them. > > We should never have come to this horrible, abominable point as a society. But here we are. > > Confiscate them all. Fuck half measures. This saddens me ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8454 "2018-08-22T18:34:53Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > That’s SAT **T** , for [School-Age Trauma Training](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/us/dhs-training-students-mass-casualties.html), a new U.S. government program that, per the NYT, “will award a $1.8 million grant to create a program to teach high school students proper bleeding-control techniques.” > This is my breaking point on this issue. If we’re going to teach school kids how to learn proper bleeding control techniques rather than do something about guns, that’s the end of my tolerance of this crap. > > Confiscate them all. Every last rifle, every last handgun, in civilian hands. Take them all away before we have to go teaching our kids proper bleeding control techniques. If the pro-gun types would rather see classes like these than come up with solutions to gun violence that actually work, then fuck 'em all, every last one of them. > > We should never have come to this horrible, abominable point as a society. But here we are. > > Confiscate them all. Fuck half measures. What’s next-the new _Death With Dignity_ course, where kids are taught how to die quietly in the corner so as not to upset the rest of the class? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8455 "2018-08-22T18:36:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What’s next-the new _Death With Dignity_ course, where kids are taught how to die quietly in the corner so as not to upset the rest of the class? I think each student checking a gun out of the school armory when school starts and returning it at the end of the day is a good plan. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8456 "2018-08-22T22:07:48Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I think each student checking a gun out of the school armory when school starts and returning it at the end of the day is a good plan. You see what happens to library books. Do you really want your guns covered in gum and drool, chewed by dogs, and smelling strangely of garlic? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8457 "2018-08-23T13:27:41Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You see what happens to library books. > > Do you really want your guns covered in gum and drool, chewed by dogs, and smelling strangely of garlic? SECOND AMENDMENT! On a serious, yet even-more-troubling note, I have people on Facebook who say a class where you learn how to stop bleeding gun-shot wounds is more important than math :smack: ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8458 "2018-08-23T15:29:27Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > SECOND AMENDMENT! > > On a serious, yet even-more-troubling note, I have people on Facebook who say a class where you learn how to stop bleeding gun-shot wounds is more important than math :smack: Can do both at once. “If Billy will bleed out from one gunshot wound in 5 minutes, how quickly will he bleed out with 3?” ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8459 "2018-08-23T15:38:56Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > “If Billy will bleed out from one gunshot wound in 5 minutes, how quickly will he bleed out with 3?” I am obviously one sick and deranged person, because I laughed at this. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8460 "2018-08-23T15:39:40Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Can do both at once. > > “If Billy will bleed out from one gunshot wound in 5 minutes, how quickly will he bleed out with 3?” You need to add a variable…how many of the wounds are arterial? Or is the assumption that all 3 wounds bleed at the same rate. One can’t answer the question without this additional information! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8461 "2018-08-23T16:43:27Z")
These are elementary school kids you’re working with here. Don’t throw algebra at them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=422) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=424)