# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 425
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8482 "2018-09-03T17:34:08Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > Your opinion? > > The couple in this “news-ish” story is a Facebook friend-of-a-friend. The TL;DR version is that the couple, who apparantly ran some kind of “tactical supply” business (now closed and deleted from the internet), was arrested and at the same time investigated by multiple law enforcement agencies. The couple said the FBI, SS, ATF, DHS and local agencies all took part in the arrest and the subsequent home “raid” where their “assets” were siezed. Their Facebook postings were to complain about this unfairness and to advertise their GoFundMe account so that they can hire a lawyer. They have since deleted their Facebook accounts. > > My question is ‘what is/was this couple up to?’ > Illegal gun sales? > > Can someone “read between the lines” in this obviously wildly hyperbolic “news story” and offer an opinion about it? > > [http://thefreethoughtproject.com/exclusive-business-owners-spied-on-detained-and-interrogated-by-feds-over-social-media-posts-questioning-the-govt/](http://thefreethoughtproject.com/exclusive-business-owners-spied-on-detained-and-interrogated-by-feds-over-social-media-posts-questioning-the-govt/) Follow up to my own question: After 4 months in jail under a 2 million dollar bond, he pled guilty to 70 felony gun charges and was sentenced to 51 years probation. I think he gets out today. She is out on an ankle bracelet and has her court date later this month. They were manufacturing, modifying, and selling unregistered assualt weapons out of their home under the cover of their fake “tactical supply” business which presented itself as selling only gun and shooting accessories. They did not have a federal firearms dealers license. There were multiple weapons in their home. Some belonged to the couple and others were accompanied with the name of the owners and what mods were being done on the particular weapon. The couple was also making “suggestive comments” about their modification activity a bit on FB- comments about machinery, measurements, etc., but it was pretty easy to read between the lines and see what they were really offering once I understood what it was they were doing. They also made odd comments on FB about stuff like how, since you can’t shoot down a drone, you have to know the drone operator (suggesting to shoot the drone operator, and not the drone), and how to dig trenches that would keep LEO’s from being able to raid your compund easily. It wasn’t just “memes” as the couple claimed. He closed his FB account after the second but before the third arrest. She continued to post for a while but deleted anything ‘questionable’. Her account has been inactive since just before thier third arrest and I presume that she is not allowed to use social media as a condition of her release. They seemed to think that if he had the machinery and know-how, she conducted the sales, and a third party provided the weapon to be modified from semi-auto to full-auto, that somehow none of them individually was guilty of a crime. For the next 51 years, he: cannot own a gun or any part of a gun, cannot own pepperspray, cannot travel out of county for more than 48 hours without notifying his PO, travel more than 50 miles without notifying his PO, cannot use drugs or alcohol (probably due to previous DUI/DWI charges), must take regular and also random drug screens, and must allow a search of his home or property at any time with or without notice, must submit regular financial statements. He also cannot own or operate a computer or use social media. He can have a cellphone but cannot use it to access the internet or use any software or programs intended to hide communication. He can’t even own a mean dog if it would prevent LE from searching his home, car, or work. Overall, he now has about 50 restrictions to his life for the next 51 years. He does have permission to use an assumed name in the course of opening a business. I wonder if he can resist the temptation to reopen his fake tactical supply business? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8483 "2018-09-11T22:05:52Z")
NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch says the only thing that could stop a good guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun: > [@](#): > > Dallas shooting in which a cop killed a man in his own home “could have been very different” if the victim “was a law abiding gun owner” > **[NRA's Dana Loesch says man killed by cop in his home could've survived if he...](https://www.mediamatters.org/nratv/nra-spokesperson-dallas-shooting-which-cop-killed-man-his-own-home-could-have-been-very)** > > WTF Yeah right, black immigrant kills white cop, who ya gonna believe? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8484 "2018-09-11T23:09:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [Dateline Tolland, Connecticut:](https://nypost.com/2018/09/02/man-faces-charges-for-shooting-at-ghost-during-break-in/) He thought it was a spirit AND he thought he could shoot it? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8485 "2018-09-11T23:15:26Z")
Did we do this one already?? Here’s a good guy with a gun. > [@](#): > > Gunman wearing bulletproof vest and armed with assault rifle rings Florida neighbor’s doorbell > **[Gunman wearing bulletproof vest and armed with assault rifle rings Florida...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2018/09/10/gunman-wearing-bulletproof-vest-and-armed-with-assault-rifle-rings-florida-neighbors-doorbell/)** > > Three terrified members of a Florida family hid in their bathroom last week as a neighbor armed with an assault rifle rang their doorbell, authorities say. Kevin Flaherty, who had also been wearing… ---
**Author:** ![Sloe\_Moe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sloe\_Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sloe_Moe)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8486 "2018-09-11T23:24:44Z")
I have a great idea for concerned parents: Home Schooling. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8487 "2018-09-12T00:23:35Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch says the only thing that could stop a good guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun:[NRA spokesperson: Dallas shooting in which a cop killed a man in his own home "could have been very different" if the victim "was a law abiding gun owner" | Media Matters for America](https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/09/11/nra-spokesperson-dallas-shooting-which-cop-killed-man-his-own-home-could-have-been-very-different-if/221269) > > Yeah right, black immigrant kills white cop, who ya gonna believe? An excellent point. The Black guy who broke up a robbery and saved people from being shot took the gun away from the bad guy and threw it behind a counter, for he knew when the cops showed up they would shoot him on sight if he were holding a gun. Wait, wait, the NRA is advocating shooting policewomen? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8488 "2018-09-14T11:38:47Z")
[Armed drivers engage in road rage shoot out, one passenger dead.](https://amp.indystar.com/amp/1278127002?__twitter_impression=true) > [@](#): > > The road rage incident Tuesday morning began like so many others: Two drivers — one angry at the other’s driving — flipped each other off. > > But then they drew guns. Then they fired from their driver seats. > > When the firing stopped, though, it was a passenger who was fatally shot. Brandy Brock was 31. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8489 "2018-09-14T12:17:15Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Armed drivers engage in road rage shoot out, one passenger dead.](https://amp.indystar.com/amp/1278127002?__twitter_impression=true) > [@](#): > > Andrew Holder, 47, was charged with criminal recklessness, a low-level felony, and carrying a handgun without a license, a misdemeanor. > > Holder, however, was not the one who shot Brock, police say. Brock, sitting in the passenger seat of Holder’s car, was struck in the back by a bullet fired by the other driver. > > It’s unclear if that driver, only identified as J.G. in court documents, will face any charges. I guess J.G. was “standing his ground” ? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8490 "2018-09-14T12:32:37Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > An excellent point. > The Black guy who broke up a robbery and saved people from being shot took the gun away from the bad guy and threw it behind a counter, for he knew when the cops showed up they would shoot him on sight if he were holding a gun. > > Wait, wait, the NRA is advocating shooting policewomen? :dubious: When an innocent black person without a gun gets shot, it’s because they didn’t have a gun. When an innocent black person with a gun gets shot, it’s because they had a gun. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8491 "2018-09-14T16:09:07Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > When an innocent black person without a gun gets shot, it’s because they didn’t have a gun. When an innocent black person with a gun gets shot, it’s because they had a gun. Also: When an innocent black person without a gun gets shot, it’s because they had a gun. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8492 "2018-10-06T16:36:12Z")
[People need to learn to secure their guns](https://www.wlwt.com/article/3-year-old-shot-in-mount-healthy-police-say/23622291) if they are thinking that their gun is going to help protect their family. > [@](#): > > Mingo also said he was told the child got her hands on a gun that was in a holster in a bedroom. Didn’t see anyone post this one either, be careful when you are driving through the woods, as you may end up [with your kid shot in the head.](https://www.newsweek.com/14-year-old-utah-boy-shot-head-stray-bullet-while-driving-near-target-range-1138745) > [@](#): > > the shooters, who were also on a family excursion, were unaware that there was a road downrange as it was obscured by trees and vegetation. Police said that initial investigations lead them to believe the shot was unintentional. No charges have yet been laid by police, and no names were released. Isn’t one of the rules of gun safety to know your backstop, to know what is behind what you are shooting at? Not only are they not being charged with anything, it doesn’t even appear as though their ability to continue to possess guns is in any jeopardy, even though they have demonstrated their inability to use them responsibly. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8493 "2018-10-06T18:15:48Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > …Isn’t one of the rules of gun safety to know your backstop, to know what is behind what you are shooting at? > > Not only are they not being charged with anything, it doesn’t even appear as though their ability to continue to possess guns is in any jeopardy, even though they have demonstrated their inability to use them responsibly. Yes. Not having read the story, I’d consider their conduct negligent, and possibly reckless from what you’ve described. Both should lead to criminal charges. Very disappointing that it seems that isn’t going to happen. “Sorry,” shouldn’t be acceptable when you screw up using a firearm. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8494 "2018-10-06T18:20:57Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Isn’t one of the rules of gun safety to know your backstop, to know what is behind what you are shooting at? No, that is not one of the rules of gun safety. About 35 years ago in Boy Scouts, I did some .22 target shooting as part of the program. That is how long ago I handled a loaded firearm. Yet, I could go over to the local sporting goods store and buy a gun and a rack of rounds, no questions asked. Yes, I might have to pass a BG check, but that just makes sure my record is clean. I might be a TFM, an undiagnosed psychopath or a fuming ex-lover, but those things are not covered. As long as my history is clean, off I go with my new toy. Which is to say: _ **there are no fucking rules** _. There is no such thing as “gun safety” as long as we let any old ignorant moron load up no questions asked. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8495 "2018-10-06T18:25:54Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > … > They seemed to think that if he had the machinery and know-how, she conducted the sales, and a third party provided the weapon to be modified from semi-auto to full-auto, that somehow none of them individually was guilty of a crime. > … That sounds like the Trailer Park Boys method of “legally” stealing patio furniture and BBQ grills. One guy takes the stuff from the yard and puts it at the end of the driveway, and that’s not stealing. The other guy loads it up for transport because it was fair game at that pint, and so not stealing. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8496 "2018-10-15T00:04:52Z")
Yep, stupid… [4 dead, 1 injured after shooting at toddler’s party in Texas](https://koaa.com/news/2018/10/14/4-dead-1-injured-after-shooting-at-toddlers-party-in-texas/) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8497 "2018-11-12T20:35:21Z")
All it takes to stop a good guy with a gun, is a cop with a gun. > [@](#): > > Around 4:00 a.m. ET on Sunday morning, a disgruntled group of drunken men were asked to leave Manny’s Blue Room Bar in the Chicago suburbs. According to WGN-TV, one of those men returned with a gun and opened fire. > > Amid the chaos, 26-year-old armed security guard Jemel Roberson chased one of the suspects outside of the club and apprehended him at gun point. > > Roberson seemingly did everything right. But when Midlothian police officers arrived to the scene, one of them saw the security guard pointing a gun at the suspect, and shot and killed Roberson on the spot. > **[Police officer shoots and kills good guy with a gun](https://thinkprogress.org/police-kill-black-security-guard-9927b7b9dc0f/)** > > Jemel Roberson was a 26-year-old armed security guard who apprehended a shooter. He was also black Without peeking, guess Roberson’s race. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8498 "2018-11-15T10:18:46Z")
“It’s duck season!” “Wabbit season!” “Deer season!” "[Old lady season!"](https://katv.com/news/local/deer-hunter-accidentally-shoots-kills-woman-in-johnson-county) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8499 "2018-11-15T15:22:25Z")
[Alabama boy, 2, dies after shooting himself, family says](https://www.foxnews.com/us/boy-2-dies-after-shooting-himself-family-says) Why are we spending so much money fighting terrorists when clearly the scourge of America is toddlers with guns? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8500 "2018-11-16T16:46:23Z")
Our delightful NRA [has filed suit against the State of Washington](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/washington/articles/2018-11-15/nra-sues-to-block-new-washington-gun-control-measure) over a new law that puts heavy restrictions on the sale of semi-automatics, raising the purchase age to 21, requiring stiffer background checks and prohibiting sales to non-residents (this law could go into the Positive Gun News thread, but I would rather not be accused of threadshitting). The law was introduced as an initiative that passed with 60% yes. I would say this action unambiguously paints the NRA as an obvious industry shill. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8501 "2018-11-16T16:48:28Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Our delightful NRA [has filed suit against the State of Washington](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/washington/articles/2018-11-15/nra-sues-to-block-new-washington-gun-control-measure) over a new law that puts heavy restrictions on the sale of semi-automatics, raising the purchase age to 21, requiring stiffer background checks and prohibiting sales to non-residents (this law could go into the Positive Gun News thread, but I would rather not be accused of threadshitting). The law was introduced as an initiative that passed with 60% yes. > > I would say this action unambiguously paints the NRA as an obvious industry shill. I assume that if it wins out, Bone will happily put it in positive news, as he usually puts anything that expands the availability of guns as a positive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=424) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=426)