# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 434
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8662 "2019-02-28T19:22:44Z")
> [@SigMan](#): > > Seriously? That’s an insult to the mothers. > > But this begs a question, does the mothers know that it is an unlicensed daycare? That says a lot. Actually, I don’t think it says anything much at all. I think your final question is irrelevant. Would the principles involved, and the situation, and the outcome, really be any different if they had just been visiting the guy’s house for a play-date with his children? You don’t need a license to have people in your house. Not to mention that, in plenty of towns and cities, low-income parents wind up using unlicensed daycare providers because they need to work, and they need affordable daycare. Unlicensed providers are often cheaper precisely because they don’t spend money jumping through the regulatory hoops required for licensing. I’m not arguing that there should be no licensing requirements, or that it’s a good idea to avoid licensed daycare facilities, but some cities’ licensing requirements are onerous in ways that have little to do with the actual level of care provided to the children. More generally, it’s hard to blame working-class people for taking whatever daycare they can afford so that they are able to make a living. ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8663 "2019-02-28T22:37:33Z")
I didn’t know that. I thought it was something that required licensing. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8664 "2019-02-28T23:18:24Z")
> [@SigMan](#): > > I didn’t know that. I thought it was something that required licensing. It DOES require licensing. The points I’m making are: a) the licensing requirements cost money and can be onerous, so some people—especially poor people—use unlicensed premises. and b) the possession (or otherwise) of a license is not really relevant to the underlying story of gun safety. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8665 "2019-03-01T00:29:38Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Timothy [was given 2 years probation](https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/dearborn-man-gets-probation-for-unlicensed-daycare-shooting-that-injured-2-children), with the understanding that he is to be promoting gun safety in that time. I’m as happy as the next person to jump on someone for their egregious stupidity and bay for blood, but honestly looking at the videos of this guy, I’d say the judge might have called it right. He genuinely looks ruined. The judge has tasked him to create a campaign that reaches millions and explains exactly what “your carelessness, your thoughtlessness and your negligence” resulted in. She gets to review that in a year, and then determine if he’s in breach of his probation, in which case I guess he gets jail time. All in, it doesn’t seem that unreasonable a verdict. Sure she could just jail him now, but if he does actually meet the target she’s set isn’t that a more useful outcome? ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8666 "2019-03-01T12:29:01Z")
He looks…unwell…but needs to lose an eye. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8667 "2019-03-01T19:24:48Z")
> [@SigMan](#): > > I didn’t know that. I thought it was something that required licensing. Most states require licensing only if you are over a certain size, whether that be based on kids or on staff. You don’t need to be licensed to watch your friend’s kids for a few hours, which is the idea that unlicensed daycares are essentially based on. They are usually word of mouth, neighbors or such. ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8668 "2019-03-01T21:17:07Z")
In that case it would be baby sitting, not daycare. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8669 "2019-03-01T22:20:51Z")
> [@SigMan](#): > > In that case it would be baby sitting, not daycare. [Not quite:](http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-daycare-and-babysitting) > [@](#): > > A daycare means an institution where parents/guardians drop off their children to be looked after during work hours. Babysitting is the act of a child being watched over temporarily. Babysitting is a form of daycare. Baby sitting usually involves the sitter coming to your house. Daycare usually means dropping them off somewhere else. Just because it is an unlicensed small operation doesn’t mean that it doesn’t tick more checkboxes in the daycare column than in the babysitter column. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8670 "2019-03-02T12:16:54Z")
Well at least the teacher was armed. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8671 "2019-03-02T14:01:31Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Most states require licensing only if you are over a certain size, whether that be based on kids or on staff. Speaking of size, THAT staff member’s size was large enough for licensing and rezoning. Yeesh. He looked very tearful and I believe he’s sad. It’s a strict probation but debatable, I suppose. Should maybe be five years. My question, is his gun permit revoked for good? Accident or not, kids get shot? No more gun rights for you, buddy. I’d like to know about how Michigan deals with stuff like this. ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8672 "2019-03-02T14:06:00Z")
Since he failed to properly secure his gun (around kids) he should have it no more. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8673 "2019-03-02T19:26:04Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > My question, is his gun permit revoked for good? Accident or not, kids get shot? No more gun rights for you, buddy. I’d like to know about how Michigan deals with stuff like this. To that, I say it should be a lifetime ban, but I doubt it will be. My question is, should someone have their right to have a gun revoked if they leave their gun where a child can get to it unsupervised, or should the only have their right to have a gun to have a gun revoked after someone gets hurt or killed by their carelessness? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8674 "2019-03-02T20:03:57Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > To that, I say it should be a lifetime ban, but I doubt it will be. > > My question is, should someone have their right to have a gun revoked if they leave their gun where a child can get to it unsupervised, or should the only have their right to have a gun to have a gun revoked after someone gets hurt or killed by their carelessness? Yes and yes. It’d be hard to prove the first one with a kid just finding it, taking it away from kid saying, “Uh-uh-uh!” and replacing with teddy bear. For the second one, oh well, no kids DIED. So what? He had no control of his weapon when the other kid figured out how to fire it. He had FULL control over whether his weapon would be found by a 3-year-old. And a millimeter this way or that way on the poor kid’s aim would’ve changed the outcome tremendously. If you can’t simply secure it, you shouldn’t be having one. Plus… why does a day care (licensed or unlicensed) need a gun in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8675 "2019-03-02T23:24:16Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Yes and yes. > Plus… why does a day care (licensed or unlicensed) need a gun in the first place? His house and personal possession? ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8676 "2019-03-03T00:02:58Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Plus… why does a day care (licensed or unlicensed) need a gun in the first place? Daycare shootings might become fashionable and you want to be prepared. ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8677 "2019-03-03T00:39:40Z")
Like the church and the movie theater? I just had this conversation with my sister. I told her why does the idiots murder the wrong people? Why can’t they shoot the fucks who keep us poor like the politicians and judges who keep releasing crooks? Get your priorities straight people! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8678 "2019-03-03T00:57:20Z")
> [@SigMan](#): > > Like the church and the movie theater? Good point, we should keep guns tucked into the pews and the movie seats, because it is much more likely that someone will come in and shoot the place up than it would be for a kid to get their hands on the gun. > [@](#): > > I just had this conversation with my sister. I told her why does the idiots murder the wrong people? Why can’t they shoot the fucks who keep us poor like the politicians and judges who keep releasing crooks? > > Get your priorities straight people! Never a great idea to encourage assassinations, even if it is of politicians you do not like. ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8679 "2019-03-03T01:24:12Z")
I know but I’m tired of being poor because of these greedy fucks. I also told my sis why are we voting for them? Just don’t vote! My sis said the rich will vote them in no matter what we do. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8680 "2019-03-03T01:51:12Z")
> [@SigMan](#): > > I know but I’m tired of being poor because of these greedy fucks. I also told my sis why are we voting for them? Just don’t vote! My sis said the rich will vote them in no matter what we do. Your sister is right. People not voting is exactly why those greedy fucks are in power. If you want to know why you’re being screwed over, look in a mirror. ---
**Author:** ![SigMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@SigMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SigMan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8681 "2019-03-03T02:16:03Z")
And what make me what I see in the mirror? A loser? And does it matter who you vote? They’re all the same. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=433) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=435)