# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 437
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8722 "2019-04-12T19:15:57Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Why are the parents not charged for something? > > [Georgia girl, 6, dies after brother accidentally shoots her in head, police say](https://www.foxnews.com/us/6-year-old-girl-dies-after-brother-accidentally-shoots-her-police-say) I think they’re suffering enough. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8723 "2019-04-12T19:26:58Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Why are the parents not charged for something? > > [Georgia girl, 6, dies after brother accidentally shoots her in head, police say](https://www.foxnews.com/us/6-year-old-girl-dies-after-brother-accidentally-shoots-her-police-say) > [@](#): > > “Our hearts break for this family and we hope God puts his healing hands around them during this difficult time,” Sheriff Gary Gulledge said in a statement. Thoughts&Prayers. . . . Next! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8724 "2019-04-12T20:01:45Z")
“Wasn’t it God’s plan that she got shot in the first place?” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8725 "2019-04-12T20:02:18Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > I think they’re suffering enough. So, the penalty for recklessly endangering your children and indirectly causing one of them to die should be to feel real bad about it? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8726 "2019-04-12T20:23:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So, the penalty for recklessly endangering your children and indirectly causing one of them to die should be to feel real bad about it? Yep. If by “feel real bad about it” you mean “totally destroy their lives.” It was an accident, not intentional. There’s little the courts can do to punish the parents further, and there’s no likely rehabilitation since the parents recently learned to change their ways in the most devastating way possible. There’s not even any point in making an example of them–that was accomplished when the brother killed the sister. That their own child might die is a far more worrisome deterrent to others than whatever fine or brief jail time might be incurred. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8727 "2019-04-12T20:32:21Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Yep. If by “feel real bad about it” you mean “totally destroy their lives.” > > It was an accident, not intentional. There’s little the courts can do to punish the parents further, and there’s no likely rehabilitation since the parents recently learned to change their ways in the most devastating way possible. > > There’s not even any point in making an example of them–that was accomplished when the brother killed the sister. That their own child might die is a far more worrisome deterrent to others than whatever fine or brief jail time might be incurred. Bullshit!! That gun did _not_ accidentally fall into the glove compartment, and it did _not_ accidentally load itself, and it was _not_ accidentally left unsecured. edited to add: Is it an accident when a drunk driver kills innocent people? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8728 "2019-04-12T20:36:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Bullshit!! > That gun did _not_ accidentally fall into the glove compartment, and it did _not_ accidentally load itself, and it was _not_ accidentally left unsecured. Sure you used enough exclamation points? You might want to look up _accident_. Nobody intended for the girl to be shot. Were the parents negligent? Sure. But there’s no point in punishing them further. It doesn’t hurt them more than they’ve been hurt, it doesn’t help the victim or society, and it doesn’t even send a useful message. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8729 "2019-04-12T20:44:25Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > and it doesn’t even send a useful message. Pretty sure you are wrong about that point. It sends a message that may prevent a future ‘accident’. And now for hypothetical. Would they have ‘suffered enough’ if their son had shot and killed someone else’s kid? If not, why? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8730 "2019-04-12T20:46:58Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Sure you used enough exclamation points? > > You might want to look up _accident_. Nobody intended for the girl to be shot. > > Were the parents negligent? Sure. But there’s no point in punishing them further. It doesn’t hurt them more than they’ve been hurt, it doesn’t help the victim or society, and it doesn’t even send a useful message. It would send a message that these fake “accidents” will no longer be tolerated just because they involve the use of a gun. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8731 "2019-04-12T20:59:12Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Pretty sure you are wrong about that point. It sends a message that may prevent a future ‘accident’. A stronger message than _Your child will die_? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > It would send a message that these fake “accidents” will no longer be tolerated just because they involve the use of a gun. Ah, so it’s just the gun thing that’s got you all het up. Kids die by guns, cars, insecticides, electricity, drowning, and falls all the time due to parental negligence. Are all of those fake “accidents” too? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8732 "2019-04-12T21:04:20Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > A stronger message than _Your child will die_? > > Ah, so it’s just the gun thing that’s got you all het up. Kids die by guns, cars, insecticides, electricity, drowning, and falls all the time due to parental negligence. Are all of those fake “accidents” too? Just the ones due to criminal negligence. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8733 "2019-04-12T21:51:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just the ones due to criminal negligence. DAs, courts, and juries frequently find that the parents in such cases have suffered sufficiently and decline to punish them further. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8734 "2019-04-12T22:22:15Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > DAs, courts, and juries frequently find that the parents in such cases have suffered sufficiently and decline to punish them further. Thoughts and prayers. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8735 "2019-04-12T22:32:00Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Thoughts and prayers. Hardly. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8736 "2019-04-12T23:40:44Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > A stronger message than _Your child will die_? So that maybe the next idiot wont have to actually bury a kid to get that painfully obvious message. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8737 "2019-04-13T00:29:26Z")
Not a bad haul – $30,000. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8738 "2019-04-13T13:18:29Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > You might want to look up _accident_. Nobody intended for the girl to be shot. Where was the intent for her \*not \*to be shot? > [@](#): > > Were the parents negligent? Sure. Then it wasn’t a fucking accident. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8739 "2019-04-13T13:22:42Z")
Don’t we keep hearing the gunstrokers tell us how they support better mental health treatment, and keeping guns away from the mentally ill? Then they ought to be slobbering all over the new [Red Flag Law in Colorado](https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/12/us/colorado-red-flag-gun-laws/index.html) that does just that, oughtn’t they? Well, we ought to know better than to expect that, and we do. > [@](#): > > Known as the “Extreme Risk Protection Order,” the law will allow a family member, a roommate or law enforcement to petition a judge to temporarily seize a person’s firearms if they are deemed a risk to themselves or others. Fourteen other states have passed similar legislation. > > Still, the law now faces major hurdles, with a pro-gun lobby group promising to challenge it in court. Additionally, a growing number of sheriffs in the state have vowed to ignore the law when it takes effect next year, calling it unconstitutional. > > Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams told CNN last month that he would rather be found in contempt of court and locked up in his own county jail than carry out a court order to seize a person’s weapon. > > At least 10 other sheriffs contacted by CNN are lining up behind Reams, saying they are prepared to go to jail rather than enforce a law they believe would violate a person’s constitutional rights. But will they ever quit lying about mental health? We know that too, don’t we? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8740 "2019-04-13T14:32:03Z")
Kinda dumb. How will you know that you have confiscated _all_ this person’s weapons? Sure, if they are sane and law-abiding, maybe, but then they aren’t much of a problem anyway. And if they really are a potential threat, whoever turned them in is at the top of this shit/hit list. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/8741 "2019-04-13T16:25:43Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Kinda dumb. How will you know that you have confiscated _all_ this person’s weapons? Sure, if they are sane and law-abiding, maybe, but then they aren’t much of a problem anyway. And if they really are a potential threat, whoever turned them in is at the top of this shit/hit list. The old “If the law doesn’t completely solve the problem it is bad” ploy? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=436) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=438)