# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 451
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9004 "2019-09-03T12:08:57Z")
[\*Here’s \*what a well-regulated militia is for:](https://abc13.com/people-with-gun-demand-popeyes-chicken-sandwiches-/5510088/) > [@](#): > > An armed group of people rushed the door of a Popeyes Chicken restaurant in southeast Houston Monday night demanding chicken sandwiches. > [@Folacin](#): > > Feels like this should be in the Positive Gun News thread - those guys are in favor of crazy folks not having guns, right? Definitely something odd going on over there - they’re presenting cases of the mentally ill being denied guns, despite their claimed constitutional rights, as \*positive \*now, in actual \*agreement \*with us. Maybe we really are seeing a rare case of ignorance being successfully fought? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9005 "2019-09-03T12:15:39Z")
I’m confused - how would waving a gun at a Popeye’s employee magically make more chicken sandwiches appear? Do they think the staff - whose job is literally to sell chicken sandwiches - are secretly hoarding chicken sandwiches because of reasons? I know - crazy people with guns. Can’t live with them, can’t take their guns away. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9006 "2019-09-03T12:15:55Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Feels like this should be in the Positive Gun News thread - those guys are in favor of crazy folks not having guns, right? What part of “shall not be infringed” don’t you understand??? 🙂 Perhaps one day “owning more than one gun” will be judged “mentally incompetent” and that person’s guns will be taken away? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9007 "2019-09-03T14:21:58Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m confused - how would waving a gun at a Popeye’s employee magically make more chicken sandwiches appear? Do they think the staff - whose job is literally to sell chicken sandwiches - are secretly hoarding chicken sandwiches because of reasons? I bet they think the employees were hiding the chicken sandwiches in the basement. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9008 "2019-09-03T17:57:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I bet they think the employees were hiding the chicken sandwiches in the basement. Where they keep the children they’re sexually abusing ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9009 "2019-09-03T21:39:46Z")
[A mother teaching her teenage son to drive was reportedly shot dead during a road rage incident in Wisconsin.](https://www.newsweek.com/wisconsin-mother-shot-dead-son-road-rage-milwaukee-1457330?utm_source=GoogleNewsstandUS&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Partnerships) > [@](#): > > “This stemmed from a minor accident that occurred. The passenger of the vehicle that was hit got out and confronted the driver of the striking vehicle,” police said. > > "Words were exchanged and the driving of the striking vehicle pulled out a firearm and shot the passenger, who is a 46-year-old female. > > "The suspect fled the scene and witnesses drove the victim to a local hospital. > > “Life-saving measures were done upon her arrival, however, she passed away. A suspect has been arrested in connection to this incident.” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9010 "2019-09-03T22:28:33Z")
[Popeyes customer pulls a gun after being told there were no more chicken sandwiches](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/03/us/popeyes-chicken-houston-trnd/index.html?__twitter_impression=true) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9011 "2019-09-04T18:46:08Z")
[ARGUMENT BETWEEN WEST VIRIGINIA PASTORS’ WIVES ENDS WITH GUNFIRE IN CHURCH PARKING LOT](https://www.newsweek.com/pastors-wife-gun-parking-lot-1457652?fbclid=IwAR3ExcdEO0J2EMaN_F5updTUz2UGsHGsDnrpyegksg5j5iFWGNLK7m-daSU) > [@](#): > > A pastor’s wife in West Virginia has been charged with reckless endangerment after allegedly firing a gun in a church parking lot. > > Melinda Frye Toney, 44, is accused of pulling out a pistol that accidentally discharged during an argument with another pastor’s wife at New Life Apostolic Church in Oak Hill on May 11. > > Toney is the wife of New Life pastor Earl Toney while the other woman, Lori Haywood, is married to New Life’s youth pastor, David Haywood. I guess in West Virginia it’s Do Unto Others Before They Do It To You. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9012 "2019-09-04T19:14:54Z")
Pulls out a gun during an argument. Check. Gun “accidentally” discharges. Bull-fucking-shit. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9013 "2019-09-05T01:48:14Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > [ARGUMENT BETWEEN WEST VIRIGINIA PASTORS’ WIVES ENDS WITH GUNFIRE IN CHURCH PARKING LOT](https://www.newsweek.com/pastors-wife-gun-parking-lot-1457652?fbclid=IwAR3ExcdEO0J2EMaN_F5updTUz2UGsHGsDnrpyegksg5j5iFWGNLK7m-daSU) > > I guess in West Virginia it’s Do Unto Others Before They Do It To You. Yeah. It’s right there in the _Book of Colt_, Chapter 4, Verse 5. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9014 "2019-09-06T12:34:19Z")
Did this one make the list yet? “FLORIDA MAN WITH CONCEALED GUN IN HIS WAISTBAND SHOT HIMSELF WHEN HE TOOK IT OUT” > **[Florida Man Shot Himself Taking Concealed Gun from Waistband](https://www.newsweek.com/florida-man-concealed-gun-waistband-shot-himself-1432308)** > > 1,983,477 Floridians have concealed weapons licenses. According to the article, our Florida man, Arnel Villarreal, was a visitor to the Summerlin Academy campus in Barstow, Florida and was waiting in his car in the visitor parking lot of the school for a family member who was on campus. Summerlin Academy (sometimes identified as Summerlin Institute) [https://polkschoolsfl.com/wp-content/uploads/mainsite/SummerlinAcademy.pdf](https://polkschoolsfl.com/wp-content/uploads/mainsite/SummerlinAcademy.pdf) is a “Polk County Public School of Choice Where Rigorous Academics are Taught in a Military-Structured Environment”. Villarreal (39) has a CCL in Florida which requires one to be a citizen, be 21, have no physical condition which stops them from safely handling a firearm, have no “prohibited” legal convictions, to not be a chronic or habitual user of alcohol or other substances, and to show competency by taking a safety training course. I’m unsure of what Florida’s ‘guns on school property’ stand is and don’t feel like looking it up. So Villareal shot himself in the thigh while taking his gun from his waistband to store in his car. While this is just a “common”, “accidental discharge”, it’s very disconcerting that a presumably normal guy in a normal situation with a probable military interest and mandatory training would make such a simple error. It’s just stupid, so it qualifies to be here. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9015 "2019-09-06T13:00:56Z")
[https://abc13.com/ex-marine-given-high-bond-in-troubling-weapons-case/5519463/](https://abc13.com/ex-marine-given-high-bond-in-troubling-weapons-case/5519463/) "Ex-Marine charged over weapons found in his truck: police A former Marine is in jail after being accused of having an illegal silencer on a semi-automatic weapon, tactical gear and papers about school shootings and death. Rick Montealvo, 28, is charged with possession of a prohibited weapon, a felony. Houston police officers stopped him in north Houston early Thursday morning for not having a license plate on his truck." Found in the truck was and AR-15, a “suppressor” (silencer) with its serial number obscured and that was also “unregistered”, and "sniper canopy, camouflage tactical gear, military screen used for hiding from aircraft, and troubling literature about death and school shootings that read, “I’m the white boy who shoots up schools.” It’s unclear to me if the the gear described as “canopy”, “camouflage tactical gear” and “military screen” is one item, two items, or several items. Mr Montealvo has an “extensive documented history of mental illness” and also has “issues and is supposed to be on medication” according to a relative. Mr Montealvo says he needs this stuff because he works in “private security”. The public defender asked for a $2,000 bond. The state asked for more due to Mr Montealvo’s ‘troubling history’. Bond was set at $200,000. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9016 "2019-09-06T13:15:49Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > [https://abc13.com/ex-marine-given-high-bond-in-troubling-weapons-case/5519463/](https://abc13.com/ex-marine-given-high-bond-in-troubling-weapons-case/5519463/) > > "Ex-Marine charged over weapons found in his truck: police > A former Marine is in jail after being accused of having an illegal silencer on a semi-automatic weapon, tactical gear and papers about school shootings and death. > > Rick Montealvo, 28, is charged with possession of a prohibited weapon, a felony. Houston police officers stopped him in north Houston early Thursday morning for not having a license plate on his truck." > Found in the truck was and AR-15, a “suppressor” (silencer) with its serial number obscured and that was also “unregistered”, and "sniper canopy, camouflage tactical gear, military screen used for hiding from aircraft, and troubling literature about death and school shootings that read, “I’m the white boy who shoots up schools.” > > It’s unclear to me if the the gear described as “canopy”, “camouflage tactical gear” and “military screen” is one item, two items, or several items. > > Mr Montealvo has an “extensive documented history of mental illness” and also has “issues and is supposed to be on medication” according to a relative. > > Mr Montealvo says he needs this stuff because he works in “private security”. > > The public defender asked for a $2,000 bond. > The state asked for more due to Mr Montealvo’s ‘troubling history’. > Bond was set at $200,000. Why is this “stupid”? There are a lot of red flags there - it’s good news that he was stopped. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9017 "2019-09-06T13:41:59Z")
It would be even better news if he never had access to tools of mass murder, and didn’t have to be stopped just barely in time. > [@Ca3799](#): > > So Villareal shot himself in the thigh while taking his gun from his waistband to store in his car. > > While this is just a “common”, “accidental discharge”, it’s very disconcerting that a presumably normal guy in a normal situation with a probable military interest and mandatory training would make such a simple error. That’s exactly the kind of Good Guy we’re constantly being told would make a great school guardian. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9018 "2019-09-06T17:03:46Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Why is this “stupid”? There are a lot of red flags there - it’s good news that he was stopped. I’d invite you to post that incident to the Positive gun news thread, but you’d probably be accused of trolling. I mean, they took away guns from a veteran, that’s not good for gun owners. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9019 "2019-09-09T07:44:21Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > I’d invite you to post that incident to the Positive gun news thread, but you’d probably be accused of trolling. > > I mean, they took away guns from a veteran, that’s not good for gun owners. \>\ There are many, many incidents of people using guns stupidly. There are also many, many incidents of people using guns correctly and/or legitimately. There are also many, many incidents involving guns that don’t obviously fall into the remit of either thread. A crazy person had a gun and was potentially planning to do something bad with it. He was caught, disarmed and detained before he did anything. There are elements of good and bad in that story, but nothing either overtly stupid nor overtly positive. Why muddy the waters just for the sake of snark? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9020 "2019-09-09T22:43:22Z")
More news from Texas, where they obviously need no gun regulations: [Man accidentally shoots himself in groin at gun club in Guadalupe County](https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/communities/article/Man-shoots-himself-in-the-testicle-at-McQueeney-14424607.php?fbclid=IwAR1AszjO1hFL9wm4Yh4WKmjfimde-TBl-03J1nmb5N3Cn39E1TrJPYh316s) > [@](#): > > A Guadalupe County man who accidentally shot himself in the testicle while unsuccessfully trying to holster his weapon is recovering in a San Antonio hospital. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9021 "2019-09-10T16:04:45Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > More news from Texas, where they obviously need no gun regulations: > > [Man accidentally shoots himself in groin at gun club in Guadalupe County](https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/communities/article/Man-shoots-himself-in-the-testicle-at-McQueeney-14424607.php?fbclid=IwAR1AszjO1hFL9wm4Yh4WKmjfimde-TBl-03J1nmb5N3Cn39E1TrJPYh316s) To be fair, what regulation could possibly be enforced to make someone NOT point a loaded piece at his own junk when hostering? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9022 "2019-09-10T17:03:37Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > To be fair, what regulation could possibly be enforced to make someone NOT point a loaded piece at his own junk when hostering? Well, good point. I was referring to the fact that [Texas enacted 8 new gun regs 9/1/19](https://www.keranews.org/post/8-new-gun-laws-take-effect-texas-sept-1). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9023 "2019-09-10T21:57:47Z")
There did not seem to be a thread on this. I [wanted to put the link in the **Positive Gun News** thread](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/lawmaker-san-francisco-nra-terrorist-organization-880727/), but I suspect I would be accused of trolling. San Francisco Supervisor Catherine Stefani created a stir this week, winning unanimous passage of a resolution to label the NRA a “domestic terrorist organization,” citing the gun lobby’s violent rhetoric and promotion of loose gun laws.[indent]_It was not a difficult lift at all here in San Francisco. As we (say) here: As San Francisco goes so goes California and the rest of the nation. The NRA describes what I’m doing as a reckless “assault.” What I say is that the NRA’s reckless assault on America is about to come to an end. They are more fringe and more toxic than ever and the American people have had enough._[/INDENT] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=450) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=452)