# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 468
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9345 "2020-12-31T01:38:56Z")
" ~~Jim~~ Chris: You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new ~~West~~ Hampshire. You know… morons. "[http://quotegeek.com/quotes-from-movies/blazing-saddles/1123/#:~:text=just%20simple%20farmers.-,These%20are%20people%20of%20the%20land.,morons](http://quotegeek.com/quotes-from-movies/blazing-saddles/1123/#:~:text=just%20simple%20farmers.-,These%20are%20people%20of%20the%20land.,morons). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9346 "2021-01-05T03:37:19Z")
A [Good Guy with a Gun](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-dead-several-injured-texas-church-shooting-n1252693) story > [@](#): > > The shooting occurred Sunday morning at Starrville Methodist Church in Winona, about 100 miles east of Dallas, when pastor Mark McWilliams, 62, found the suspect hiding in the bathroom … McWilliams ordered the suspect, Mytrez Woolen, 21, to lay on the floor, but the pastor became distracted while talking to his wife …Woolen allegedly lunged at McWilliams, took the gun from his hand and shot him … McWilliams’ wife, who was not identified, was injured after she fell while fleeing the scene … Woolen also allegedly shot a churchgoer in the back and shoulder while the man was running from him … (the second shooting victim’s condition was uncertain) A preacher man is supposed to be the archetypal good guy – this one was apparently not good enough. At least his god has him now. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9347 "2021-02-01T09:46:35Z")
Arizona hardware employee shot by bystander who tried to stop shoplifter. > **[Arizona hardware employee shot by bystander who tried to stop shoplifter](https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/arizona-hardware-employee-shot-after-bystander-tried-stop-shoplifter/U3DAOD6AMNDPTLGDSUH3RFCBLA/)** > > An employee at an Arizona hardware store was wounded Saturday when a bystander shot and missed a fleeing shoplifter and struck the worker instead, authorities said. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9348 "2021-02-01T11:17:41Z")
Fuckin’ell. As if shop lifting is punishable by death. Fuck that “good” guy with a gun. He should be charged with attempted murder. And should be liable for the hospital bills of the employee plus emotional distress. IANAL and I am mostly drunk. Don’t expect me to back up my emotional response with cites. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9349 "2021-02-01T18:27:28Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I am mostly drunk. Mostly? How can you tell when you have become fully drunk? Do you use the hemostat test? ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9350 "2021-02-01T21:47:04Z")
_“It’s unpleasantly like being drunk."_ _“What’s so unpleasant about being drunk?”_ _"You ask a glass of water.”_ ― Douglas Adams, [The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy] ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9351 "2021-02-03T13:01:09Z")
Three gun deaths over snow shoveling. > **[Three people are dead after an argument over snow shoveling leads to...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/us/snow-shoveling-dispute-murder/index.html)** > > Three people, including the shooter, are dead after a dispute over snow shoveling in Plains, Pennsylvania, outside Wilkes-Barre on Monday, Plains Township Police Chief Dale Binker told CNN on Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9352 "2021-02-03T13:40:56Z")
> [@](#): > > The Goys were shoveling snow from their parking spots across the street onto Spaide’s property Seems a reasonable defense of property. /s > [@](#): > > as they approached, heard a single gunshot coming from Spaide’s house, which they believe was the self-inflicted shot that killed him The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9353 "2021-02-03T13:43:33Z")
Why were they carrying snow across a street instead of putting it on their own property? Sounds like there was a lot more going on there. Too damned many guns out there, too damned many people willing to use a gun instead of talking. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9354 "2021-02-03T13:52:18Z")
Hard to tell for sure from the story. This story > **[Three people dead in Plains Township after snow shoveling dispute turns violent](https://www.abc27.com/local-news/three-people-dead-in-plains-township-after-snow-shoveling-dispute-turns-violent/)** > > PLAINS TOWNSHIP, LUZERNE COUNTY (WBRE/WYOU-TV) — The cleanup after significant snowfall took a tragic and bizarre turn in Plains Township where police say a shoveling dispute left three dead. Offic… Has a picture of the scene. Looks like there is only parking on one side. So they were probably parked on “his” side of the street, and shoveling out their cars. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9355 "2021-02-03T14:34:55Z")
Violence after a snowfall usually involves someone stealing a shoveled out parking place, or moving someone’s lawn chairs. Ahhhh, Pennsylvania. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9356 "2021-02-03T14:41:51Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Violence after a snowfall usually involves someone stealing a shoveled out parking place I can understand the rage involved there, having shovelled my share of parking spots. But even then I’d likely settle for loud profanity. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9357 "2021-02-13T21:55:56Z")
An Oklahoma man having marital problems with his wife was on the phone with her when he fatally shot their two daughters — and said, “How do you like that?” before turning the gun on himself. [Oklahoma man kills daughters, self while on phone with wife: cops](https://nypost.com/2021/02/11/oklahoma-man-kills-daughters-self-while-on-phone-with-wife-cops/) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9358 "2021-02-13T22:14:14Z")
I’m sure @DrDeth would chastise you for infringing on this man’s right to take his own life, based on his posts in the recently closed gun control thread ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9359 "2021-02-15T15:56:54Z")
Gun nut snowflakes ❄ whine about their safe space being invaded: > [@Positive Gun News of the Day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1835): > > Rather than moving an interesting, long-running thread to a forum I (and I assume some others) never look at, I suggest that you just tell the recent spate of anti-gun posters here to stick to the subject and knock off the thread-shitting. Watch out, they’re armed and dangerous! The horrible insult they’re upset about? Pointing out that a 12 year old having access to a gun isn’t really “positive” gun news. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9360 "2021-02-15T16:39:07Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Gun nut snowflakes ❄ whine about their safe space being invaded: While I fully understand the strong urge to point out that many of the incidents listed in that thread that have been “foiled” by gun owners might not have happened at all if guns weren’t so readily available, I’m also personally inclined to agree that some of the posts in that thread do occasionally stray into “threadshitting” . This thread is in the Pit, that one ain’t, and - however tempting - the snark isn’t worth earning a warning (and Og knows I’ve deleted my share of forum-inappropriate comments in that thread just before submitting). ( **NB:** IANA Mod. The above is purely a personal opinion.) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9361 "2021-02-15T16:42:31Z")
Eh, it’s be far easier if they just renamed the thread to “Defensive gun use of the day”, rather than try to defend every time someone wonders how a traumatic story is declared as positive new. But, they were given the benefit of the doubt because they cried so hard. Any question of whether or how people dead and injured and traumatized amounts to positive news is considered threadshitting to them. Not really worth re-litigating, I’ve come to accept the pro-gun violence stance that this board has taken, it’s better to just give them shit from time to time over here than to go through all that again. I actually quit the board for about 6 months and almost didn’t come back over it, but, now I just ignore it as much as possible. But yeah, if you want to question a “positive” gun news story, just do it over here and link to it. Of course, if the current move stands, which I doubt it will, then the gun nuts would actually no longer be insulated from criticism and question in that thread. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9362 "2021-02-15T16:56:42Z")
So, and since it’s the pit, we can say that @aceplace57 considers it a positive story when a 73 year old grandmother was shot in an attempted home invasion. > [@Positive Gun News of the Day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1828): > > Woman’s 12 year old grandson defends home against two masked men. Grandmother was shot and is expected to recover. It’s also a positive story that a 12 year old has to deal with the fact that he killed someone. Something he will have to carry with him the rest of his life. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9363 "2021-02-15T17:19:03Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > the pro-gun violence stance that this board has taken 🤨 > [@k9bfriender](#): > > But yeah, if you want to question a “positive” gun news story, just do it over here and link to it. I suppose I would agree, in spite of my own preference for debate and prove-me-wrong to be on debate threads – though maybe there will always be the question whether this is the place for news about “stupid” gun-related things or for calling out WRONG gun-related things. AIUI that other thread was created partly as a response to _this one_ that preexisted it. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9364 "2021-02-15T17:19:08Z")
Positive that someone successfully repelled a home invasion. Negative that the home invaders were armed in the first place. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=467) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=469)