# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 470
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9386 "2021-02-16T04:34:53Z")
There is a difference between not ever touching a gun, and having unfettered access to one. In this story, the 12-year old had easy access to a gun, which turned out to be fortunate _in this case,_ but this case is the outlier, sort of like saying that you don’t wear your seatbelt because you have heard stories of people who were saved by being “thrown clear”. I first handled a gun at somewhere around 12 or so, in Boy Scouts. I didn’t get to take it back to my tent, and it was under constant supervision by at least two adult instructors at all times. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9387 "2021-02-16T05:09:46Z")
Do you think that _in hindsight_ that was a really good idea or more something along the lines of lawn darts, smoking in bed, smoking in the car with the kids and other 70’s nostalgia? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9388 "2021-02-16T06:03:52Z")
I dunno, it was fairly neutral. Didn’t really affect my life much way one way or another, just another merit badge to collect, really. I also took archery, for what it’s worth. But, under supervision is much different from unfettered access, which was my point. And this was late 80’s, early 90’s, not the 70’s. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9389 "2021-02-16T12:40:04Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > In this story, the 12-year old had easy access to a gun, Let’s rewind to my actual point instead the point you are projecting onto me. My post started with this quote: > the idea that a 12 year old kid can EVER access a gun is simply NOT positive. My argument is that this is an absolute statement and sweeping generalization. I am not making an argument that guns should be left around for 12-year-olds to play with, but the reality is that there are 12-year-olds who do learn to handle guns responsibly under appropriate supervision. I did say that in this case the boy very possibly saved his grandmother’s life, but that is just a statement of fact and is not the same as saying all 12-year-olds should have easy access to guns. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9390 "2021-02-16T13:14:55Z")
I was projecting no point onto you, I was agreeing with you, and contrasting that with my disagreement with Babale’s implication that a 12 year old should never be around or use guns in any situation. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9391 "2021-02-16T16:16:50Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > But, under supervision is much different from unfettered access, which was my point. Indeed. It’s hard to dispute that unfettered access should not be the norm. It’s a whole other thing to declare it an absolute that no acess should ever happen. > [@CookingWithGas](#): > > Let’s rewind to my actual point instead the point you are projecting onto me. Yeah, I believe you transposed **Babale** ’s for **k9bfriender** ’s posts. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9392 "2021-02-16T16:35:14Z")
It’s a good thing he had a gun, or he may have lost a staring contest > **[Man, 21, admits to fatally shooting man who was staring at him in North...](https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/02/15/man-21-admits-to-shooting-man-who-was-staring-at-him-in-north-miami-police-say/)** > > Orbie Velez asked a man one question before firing the single shot that killed him in North Miami, a witness said, according to detectives. Lotta kids getting shot here: > **[Father, 8-year-old son killed in shooting at Austell home](https://www.ajc.com/news/3-injured-in-shooting-at-cobb-county-home/BML42KMXHJBG5AOLMFFPW6GSKE/)** > > A man is in critical condition after he allegedly shot his brother and 8-year-old nephew to death in an Austell home Sunday evening and then turned the gun on himself, according to Cobb County police. > [@](#): > > The 8-year-old’s death is the latest in a string of high-profile shootings across metro Atlanta that have claimed the lives of young children over the past year. > > On the Fourth of July, 8-year-old [Secoriea Turner](https://www.ajc.com/news/local/atlanta-shooting-victim-secoriea-turner-was-full-joy-feisty-spirit/Gtp5Dy9zNKOGlyEQJNjCpO/) was gunned down at a makeshift roadblock. In October, [13-year-old Brayan Zavala](https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-shooting-leaves-12-year-old-dead-in-clayton-county/SY7JKGU7KZCDTDC24ZCILFGRMI/) was killed in the front yard of his Clayton County home while helping his older brother fix the family’s lawn mower. > > There was [7-year-old Kennedy Maxie](https://www.ajc.com/news/crime/latest-loss-from-atlantas-rise-in-deadly-violence-a-7-year-old-girl/QBIZT7KZFBABRCGZQOHNGK5OUM/), who died after being struck by a stray bullet while shopping with her family in Buckhead just days before Christmas. And just last week, there was [12-year-old David Mack](https://www.ajc.com/news/he-had-his-whole-life-family-struggles-after-12-year-olds-shooting-death/XFHMTVGROBD4NJ3QSODDQRRGE4/), who was found with several gunshot wounds behind the South Fulton neighborhood where he lived. Bit of a Big Mac Attack: > **[Man dies after January shooting at McDonald’s drive-thru](https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/man-dies-after-january-shooting-at-mcdonalds-drive-thru/)** > > UPDATE (06/14/2023): On June 14, 2023, the 22-year-old arrested in Jesus Medrano’s shooting death was found not guilty of voluntary manslaughter. Their name has been removed from the story. &… Good thing that this guy was able to have a gun: [https://www.kare11.com/article/news/investigations/videos-show-suspected-mass-shooter/89-7ab1fb4e-61b2-4f54-b4d8-d307f989f597](https://www.kare11.com/article/news/investigations/videos-show-suspected-mass-shooter/89-7ab1fb4e-61b2-4f54-b4d8-d307f989f597) > [@](#): > > the suspected shooter [was given a legal permit to purchase the firearm](https://www.kare11.com/article/news/crime/what-we-know-about-the-man-arrested-in-the-buffalo-clinic-shooting/89-f55df731-7ac7-49d1-893a-97e37ce56873), despite his documented history of threats of mass shootings, drug use and mental incompetency. People really want the gun to be a last word in an argument, don’t they? > **[Police Search for Man Accused of Shooting at Employee Inside Darby Walmart](https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/police-search-for-man-accused-of-shooting-at-employee-inside-darby-walmart/2705941/)** > > Police are searching for a man accused of shooting at an employee inside a Walmart store in Darby, Pennsylvania, over the weekend. > [@](#): > > Police said Devante Dixon, 28, was inside the Walmart on 50 North MacDade Boulevard in the Glenolden section of Darby Township Sunday afternoon when he got into an argument with a store employee. > > Dixon allegedly pulled out a gun and fired at least one shot at the employee before fleeing the scene. No injuries were reported during the incident. I didn’t even know that malls were still open, but maybe not for long: > **[3 wounded at SC’s Northwoods Mall, police searching for gunman](https://www.live5news.com/2021/02/14/police-shooting-reported-northwoods-mall/)** > > The North Charleston Police Department says they are responding to a reported shooting at a mall in North Charleston. And the articles posted in this thread are hardly the only such stories, these were just from the last week. With 15,000 deaths (not including suicides) and twice that in reported injuries, there are well over a hundred of these stories a day. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9393 "2021-02-16T16:36:03Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I first handled a gun at somewhere around 12 or so, in Boy Scouts. I didn’t get to take it back to my tent, and it was under constant supervision by at least two adult instructors at all times. I wouldn’t consider this “having access” to a gun, in the way that the 12 year old kid whose dad left his loaded gun lying around where the kid could access it in seconds “had access”. It isn’t something I’d let my kid do, but it isn’t on the same level. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9394 "2021-02-16T16:45:40Z")
And I entirely agree that guns should be secured, and should only be in the hands of children under close supervision. I wouldn’t let my (hypothetical) kid join Boy Scouts, but for entirely different reasons. As to whether I would teach them about guns, I don’t know. I don’t hunt, and I have only gone to the range with some of my gun toting friends as a social thing. I wouldn’t encourage it, but I suppose if they expressed an interest in guns, I’d rather satiate their curiosity under my supervision than with their friend’s dad’s gun that they found in the couch cushions. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9395 "2021-02-20T23:33:27Z")
Multiple people are dead after a shooting at a gun store. > Sources say that a man entered the gun outlet with a loaded gun unholstered. > > Sources say that the man got into an argument with a clerk who told him he should not have a loaded gun until he got inside the range. > > According to law enforcement sources, shots were fired during the argument when at least two customers on the range engaged the man. > > The man was shot, but also fired back at the two customers who were also injured, according to the sources. > > Innocent bystanders were also shot, according to sources. > **[3 killed, 2 hospitalized after argument at Jefferson Gun Outlet leads to...](https://www.wdsu.com/article/jpso-investigating-shooting-involving-multiple-deaths-in-metairie/35575040)** > > The Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office is investigating a shooting in Metairie at the Jefferson Gun Outlet. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9396 "2021-02-21T02:23:26Z")
> It appears the people involved in the shooting may have been customers, employees or individuals at the location, he said. A quote from the CNN story about the shooting. Lucky they are not considering people who were not at the location… ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9397 "2021-02-21T16:23:04Z")
Another article (slightly more up-to-date): > The sources said Joshua Jamal Williams carried a pistol with an extended clip into the gun store and indoor shooting range at 6719 Airline Drive about 3 p.m. Saturday when staff told him to unload his weapon. Rules prohibit people from having loaded guns out while away from the range. > > Williams subsequently fired a warning round before fatally shooting a store clerk, 47-year-old Noah Fischbach, who was married and was a father, one of the sources said. Several armed people at Jefferson Gun Outlet then began exchanging gunfire with Williams. > > Williams and a woman were both hit and mortally wounded during the melee. He died after running out to the parking lot, and the woman died near the store’s glass front door, which was shattered." > [New Orleans man, 27, at center of Jefferson Gun Outlet shootout that left him, 2 others dead: sources](https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/article_231194e6-740d-11eb-893c-bf26a7b81a52.html) One wonders who killed the woman: Williams or one of the people shooting at Williams. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9398 "2021-02-21T17:05:46Z")
I think the lesson here is that if you’re at a gun store, you should _always_ have your gun unholstered, loaded and safety off, just in case you need to quickly shoot a bad guy. And you’ll need to be quick about it, so keep your eyes open for any suspicious characters, for example anyone who is walking around with an unholstered, loaded gun. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9399 "2021-02-21T18:20:52Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Rules prohibit people from having loaded guns out while away from the range. > > …Several armed people at Jefferson Gun Outlet then began exchanging gunfire with Williams. Wait. Did they load up real fast? Or was _everyone_ breaking the rules? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9400 "2021-02-21T18:32:10Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > Wait. Did they load up real fast? Or was _everyone_ breaking the rules? I believe the shoot-out started in the shooting range portion of the establishment and then spilled out into the front and parking lot. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9401 "2021-02-21T18:45:39Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I wouldn’t consider this “having access” to a gun, in the way that the 12 year old kid whose dad left his loaded gun lying around where the kid could access it in seconds “had access”. > > It isn’t something I’d let my kid do, but it isn’t on the same level. Well that changes things. “Sorry boys, cancel the ‘Pumped Up Kicks’ song.” “Hey do we still get paid.” “Nope.” “That sucks…” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9402 "2021-02-21T19:28:16Z")
It may be that people who were at the range came out and engaged. Doesn’t take that long to slam a magazine into a pistol or rifle. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9403 "2021-02-21T20:04:03Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think the lesson here is that if you’re at a gun store, you should _always_ have your gun unholstered, loaded and safety off, just in case you need to quickly shoot a bad guy. Or a simpler solution, make customers go through a metal detector on the way in. You’d still need your gun at the ready while they do that, but once they’re screened, you could be a bit more relaxed. (Yes, I know about the target shooting range at this gun store. There was a separate entrance for people who were there just to go to the range.) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9404 "2021-03-18T03:44:25Z")
> **[Man arrested outside Vice President Kamala Harris' official residence and had...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/17/politics/kamala-harris-residence-arrest/index.html)** > > Washington, DC, police arrested a Texas man outside Vice President Kamala Harris' official residence, the US Naval Observatory, in the nation's capital on Wednesday and he's now facing weapons and ammunition charges. He had no difficulty getting the gun. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/9405 "2021-03-21T11:13:56Z")
A 6-year-old Texas girl was shot twice in the chest by a relative following an argument over spilled water. > **[6-year-old girl fatally shot by relative over spilled water, police say](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/6-year-old-girl-fatally-shot-relative-over-spilled-water-n1261660)** > > "I'm at a loss for words right now," the girl's grandmother said. "My granddaughter was still a baby. She got shot twice in the chest." [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=469) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=471)