# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1081 "2013-03-11T13:39:15Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its like there’s a knock at the door, and its **Kable** saying “Excuse, me, but do you have a minute to hear the good news about guns?” Speaking of: [StockBot by Examiner.com - Stock Examiner bot by Examiner.com](http://www.examiner.com/article/intruder-shot-after-breaking-into-south-carolina-home-and-attacking-woman-inside) With NBC’s weeklong series “investigating” “gun violence” in America, which exploits deaths that occurred over a weekend in January in an attempt to gain acceptance for gun control, the Little Rock Gun Rights Examiner has started its own series in an effort to help show that guns not only take lives, they very often save them. The series will highlight 30 days of guns saving lives. This is story number 26." ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1082 "2013-03-11T14:04:26Z")
Sorry that I neglected to pass along last week’s update of GunFAIL: > **[GunFAIL VIII](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2013/03/08/1190858/-GunFAIL-VIII)** > > Well, Obama didn't come for any guns this week. So people kept shooting themselves and others. > > It was a slightly better week for the gun cleaners, with just five such accidents counted, a bit ... 59 GunFAIL incidents last week. No Doper pictures included this time. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1083 "2013-03-11T14:11:57Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > With NBC’s weeklong series “investigating” “gun violence” in America, which exploits deaths that occurred over a weekend in January in an attempt to gain acceptance for gun control FYI, I think your sneer quotes cancel each other out. I.e., \*\* NBC’s weeklong series “investigating” gun violence\*\* - suggests they aren’t _really_ investigating anything. \*\* NBC’s weeklong series investigating “gun violence”\*\* - suggests they’re investigating something that as we all know doesn’t actually exist except in liberal fantasies. (All those dead people in the news? Crisis actors.) But: **NBC’s weeklong series “investigating” “gun violence”** - so they’re not investigating something that doesn’t exist. As it should be! If anything, they should be commended. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1084 "2013-03-11T14:46:35Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Sorry that I neglected to pass along last week’s update of GunFAIL: > > [GunFAIL VIII](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/08/1190858/-GunFAIL-VIII) > > 59 GunFAIL incidents last week. > > No Doper pictures included this time. The only thing that will stop a bad dog with a gun is a good dog with a gun! I’m buying my dachshunds some AK47’s today! ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1085 "2013-03-11T15:15:10Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > FYI, I think your sneer quotes cancel each other out. I.e., > \*\* > NBC’s weeklong series “investigating” gun violence\*\* - suggests they aren’t _really_ investigating anything. > \*\* > NBC’s weeklong series investigating “gun violence”\*\* - suggests they’re investigating something that as we all know doesn’t actually exist except in liberal fantasies. (All those dead people in the news? Crisis actors.) > > But: > > **NBC’s weeklong series “investigating” “gun violence”** - so they’re not investigating something that doesn’t exist. As it should be! If anything, they should be commended. Well, at least it’s still America, not “America”. At least, not until you pry my manhood from my cold dead hands. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1086 "2013-03-11T15:38:04Z")
I want to take a moment to commend my fellow Dopers for ignoring the obvious juvenile sexual snark this line inspires. Twenty minutes so far! ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1087 "2013-03-11T15:45:31Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Well, at least it’s still America, not “America”. At least, not until you pry my manhood from my cold dead hands. Still into that autoerotic asphyxiation Hentor? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1088 "2013-03-11T15:47:26Z")
Oh, well. Couldn’t last. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1089 "2013-03-11T16:03:55Z")
And not even a decent joke. What a waste. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1090 "2013-03-11T16:08:33Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I want to take a moment to commend my fellow Dopers for ignoring the obvious juvenile sexual snark this line inspires. Twenty minutes so far! Juvenile? You overestimate me, sir! This shall not stand. Of course, I meant nothing more or less than the thing that makes me feel powerful, manly, and equal to the challenge of all the marauding black men out there. Nothing sexual involved whatsoever! [Aside: How does Bricker do that eyelash batting thing again?] ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1091 "2013-03-11T16:10:14Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And not even a decent joke. What a waste. When you keep in mind what his idiosyncratic definition of “satire” includes, though, the effort is just ever so slightly more impressive. But only just. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1092 "2013-03-11T16:22:49Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > What do you mean it hasn’t happened yet? Gun prohibitionists are trying to pass the new assault weapon ban right now. Has it happened yet? I bet it won’t. And neither will any other bans, or gun seizures. But that won’t stop the NRA from scaring gun strokers into buying yet more guns and ammunition in the looming shadow of the imaginary gun apocalypse they manufactured. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1093 "2013-03-11T16:24:45Z")
Just to re-emphasize the point that **Fear Itself** was making: > **[Share of Homes With Guns Shows 4-Decade Decline (Published 2013)](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0)** > > The rate has fallen from an average of 50 percent in the 1970s to 35 percent in the 2000s, suggesting a shift in demographics even as the debate over gun control remains contentious. > [@](#): > > The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades, a national survey shows, with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states, where guns are deeply embedded in the culture. > > The gun ownership rate has fallen across a broad cross section of households since the early 1970s, according to data from the General Social Survey, a public opinion survey conducted every two years that asks a sample of American adults if they have guns at home, among other questions. > > The rate has dropped in cities large and small, in suburbs and rural areas and in all regions of the country. It has fallen among households with children, and among those without. It has declined for households that say they are very happy, and for those that say they are not. It is down among churchgoers and those who never sit in pews. Also, check out the gun show photo in the article. I don’t think that’s a time lapse photo of one guy browsing down the table, and I don’t think they are septuplets. I think those are actually several different guys! ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1094 "2013-03-11T17:30:49Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Has it happened yet? I bet it won’t. And neither will any other bans, or gun seizures. But that won’t stop the NRA from scaring gun strokers into buying yet more guns and ammunition in the looming shadow of the imaginary gun apocalypse they manufactured. The argument isn’t that it would happen but rather they would try. I bet it won’t happen either because you gun prohibitionists have already lost the initiative, which I said already. The dems made the push right after the 2nd election however just like the NRA said they would. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1095 "2013-03-11T17:33:49Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Just to re-emphasize the point that **Fear Itself** was making: > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?\_r=0](http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0) You are easily fooled Hentor. Your article is looking at data only up to 2010. Wonder why that is? Because Galup has shown a sharp uptick in ownership in 2011, but I guess that fact doesn’t fit the NY Times storyline so well. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1096 "2013-03-11T17:48:59Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > You are easily fooled Hentor. Your article is looking at data only up to 2010. Wonder why that is? Because Galup has shown a sharp uptick in ownership in 2011, but I guess that fact doesn’t fit the NY Times storyline so well. You are easily stupid, **Kable**. Simply reading the link would have revealed to you: > [@](#): > > **In 2012, the share of American households with guns was 34 percent, according to survey results released on Thursday.** Researchers said the difference compared with 2010, when the rate was 32 percent, was not statistically significant. and > [@](#): > > **The center’s 2012 survey, conducted mostly in person but also by phone, involved interviews with about 2,000 people from March to September** and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. I mean, I realize that you’re exceptionally dim, but this is still somewhat surprising. It’s no wonder that even the basics of the issue elude you. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1097 "2013-03-11T18:08:32Z")
So you agree with me that gun ownership is moving back up Hentor? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1098 "2013-03-11T18:17:08Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > So you agree with me that gun ownership is moving back up Hentor? Only **Kable** could completely misrepresent a piece of evidence and then claim that it still nevertheless supports his position when his misrepresentation is called out. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1099 "2013-03-11T18:40:32Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Only **Kable** could completely misrepresent a piece of evidence and then claim that it still nevertheless supports his position when his misrepresentation is called out. Well you do right? Your link does count the newer data and found gun ownership on the rise as of recent just like Gallup did doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1100 "2013-03-11T18:45:47Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Well you do right? Your link does count the newer data and found gun ownership on the rise as of recent just like Gallup did doesn’t it? Jesus Christ! I even pulled this line out and quoted it above. > [@](#): > > Researchers said the difference compared with 2010, when the rate was 32 percent, was not statistically significant. So, again, when you said that I was easily fooled because the article was talking about 2010 data, you were clearly, obviously and stupidly wrong. Do you acknowledge this? Next, the article specifically, explicitly, undeniably, incontrovertibly says that the researchers found the difference between 34 and 32 percent, over the past two years, to be not statistically significant. What part of that are you struggling to comprehend? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=56)