# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/101 "2013-02-01T23:18:13Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > My mother is in her 70s. She has the guts to brave the grocery store unarmed on a weekly basis. > > This guy is just one giant fucking pussy. I’ve not finished the thread, Sir, but as far as I am concerned, you won it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/102 "2013-02-01T23:22:56Z")
> [@](#): > > A 26-year-old Eugene, Oregon man unintentionally shot himself in the thigh with a handgun he was openly carrying in a holster on his leg. > The man was using the bathroom at Indra’s Internet Lounge in downtown Eugene when he unintentionally discharged the gun. According to the owner of the cafe, after shooting himself the man crawled out of the bathroom and employees put a tourniquet on his leg to stop the bleeding until medical crews arrived. The owner added that the man was a regular at the cafe and was familiar with guns. > Police noted that in Oregon it is legal for someone to openly carry a holstered gun. Furthermore, someone wishing to openly carry a gun is not required to obtain any sort of carrying permit or undergo any sort of gun safety training. > Police are not releasing the man’s name and don’t plan on issuing any charges. I think it’s pretty clear here, that if only there had been more guns, this accident would never have happened. Anyone else want to state the obvious reason why? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/103 "2013-02-01T23:48:48Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think it’s pretty clear here, that if only there had been more guns, this accident would never have happened. > > Anyone else want to state the obvious reason why? Well, a woman would have just shot the door… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/104 "2013-02-02T00:35:02Z")
Close, but not quite. You see, if there had been many more guns in Eugene OR, and indeed at the Indra’s Internet Lounge, then obviously, the establishment would have been better prepared for customers with guns. This would have entailed gun holders in each bathroom stall, and next to each urinal. Because guns are still fairly rare in Eugene OR, that means that fine establishments like Indra’s Internet Lounge do not have bathroom gun racks. If only there were more guns, we would clearly help eradicate senseless accidents like this one. Please note that this could happen to anyone- there is NO need, I repeat NO NEED for any gun safety courses. This would just lead to a slippery slope of courses, more courses, registration, confiscation and finally Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/105 "2013-02-02T00:36:41Z")
Now, that can legitimately be described as a cultural and regional distinction. There have always been places where carrying a hunting rifle openly is no big deal. Which is fine, different strokes. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/106 "2013-02-02T00:52:29Z")
Whatever. The point is, there is no bad situation that cannot be improved by utilizing the very simple solution of: More guns. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/107 "2013-02-02T02:48:20Z")
[http://www.chron.com/news/local\_news/article/Suspect-charged-in-strip-club-shootout-4244032.php](http://www.chron.com/news/local_news/article/Suspect-charged-in-strip-club-shootout-4244032.php) **Two** people shot “in the buttocks” as a strip club? How is that possible? Was the shooter aiming for buttocks or does he just have bad aim? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/108 "2013-02-02T03:10:47Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > [http://www.chron.com/news/local\_news/article/Suspect-charged-in-strip-club-shootout-4244032.php](http://www.chron.com/news/local_news/article/Suspect-charged-in-strip-club-shootout-4244032.php) > > **Two** people shot “in the buttocks” as a strip club? How is that possible? Was the shooter aiming for buttocks or does he just have bad aim? Perhaps lap dances may have been involved? “Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you…” BLAM! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/109 "2013-02-02T04:32:16Z")
Went off half-cocked, did he? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/110 "2013-02-02T04:39:13Z")
Here’s a good one! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/bp5gAY6aIjA/hqdefault.jpg "Mom Asks 911 For Permission To Shoot Intruder - Actual Call") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp5gAY6aIjA) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/111 "2013-02-02T07:44:44Z")
[quote=“Kable, post:110, topic:648729”] Here’s a good one! [/QUOTE] How is this “stupid gun news”? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/112 "2013-02-02T13:02:25Z")
That actually looks sensible - calling 911 to determine how much force she can use to protect herself. Compared to some of the other stories discussed here, that’s positively responsible gun ownership. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/113 "2013-02-02T13:52:18Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > That actually looks sensible - calling 911 to determine how much force she can use to protect herself. Compared to some of the other stories discussed here, that’s positively responsible gun ownership. Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/114 "2013-02-02T14:16:11Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > How is this “stupid gun news”? It is stupid to gun fetishists like **Kable**. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/115 "2013-02-02T17:22:25Z")
She should not have wasted her time calling anyone - just blown the person away. It really does not matter if you’re shooting at a potential criminal, vacuum cleaner salesman or person just asking for directions. The point is that you’re defending yourself, and as long as you probably won’t be convicted, then it is a righteous shoot. Anyway, if the person she shot was innocent, he would have been OK. The human body has certain mechanisms and a way of rejecting bullets that are not intended for them. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/116 "2013-02-02T17:27:21Z")
But really, the obvious solution to the stupid situation that **Kable** above posed is… Can you guess? More guns. You see if the guy had a gun, he could have returned fire if she had shot at him. Then, whoever was left alive could have been lauded as a hero, since the dead person was obviously a criminal, and deserved to get shot. If he was killed, she was a hero for defending her home from a criminal. If she was killed, then he was a hero for defending himself against a crazy woman with a gun, shooting at anything that moved. Win-Win! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/117 "2013-02-02T17:40:10Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > She should not have wasted her time calling anyone - just blown the person away. I believe she did right. She had the police on the way, and was reminded that you can’t shoot someone for rattling your doorknob, but you can if he breaks into your home and you are in fear for your life. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/118 "2013-02-02T18:15:40Z")
Totally obvious. Shoot through the door, you will ruin your door. Even if you have one of those wimpy-ass .32, its still going to leave a mark. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/119 "2013-02-02T18:51:48Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I believe she did right. She had the police on the way, and was reminded that you can’t shoot someone for rattling your doorknob, but you can if he breaks into your home and you are in fear for your life. Under the castle doctrine, if they’ve navigated the moat, they’re open game for the turrets. > [@Double\_Foolscap](#): > > And having a gun is going to help with the bit I bolded? I suppose if you consider a protracted siege and eventual death by SWAT team a win… > [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > Which is relevant if you know a lot of gun control advocates who are pro-heart disease. No, of course. I just think that saying “look, be less scared of your fellow citizens and of your government” is a sly elision that ignores the facts to preserve the status quo. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/120 "2013-02-02T18:56:49Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Under the castle doctrine, if they’ve navigated the moat, they’re open game for the turrets. Woooo Hooooo! See? Fire away! Pizza delivery to wrong house, Mormon, delivering flyers, neighbor telling you your cat is loose? Who cares? You’re in the clear - it’s your castle, so fire away! If they are at all sensible, they will be carrying too. Not your fault if they have a wimpy calibre, or a small clip. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=7)