# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1621 "2013-04-09T01:41:27Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > I’m surprised that you only winged him. I was too, he was only a few feet away and he dropped like a sack of potatoes so I figured I had killed him. My best guess at what happened was he was holding the 2x4 with both hands and the bullet (a 10mm hollow point) traveled lengthwise up his forearm and shattered his elbow. The bullet I think expended all it’s energy as the jacket separated and was recovered on my bedroom floor. What’s funny is prior to the incident I thought there might be something to that talk about people being safer in their homes without a firearm. Interesting how a little anecdotal evidence can change your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1622 "2013-04-09T01:50:18Z")
Does anyone else think it’s weird that a guy would bother to break into someone’s house to beat the sleeping owner with a two-by-four? In the dark? That sounds like a highly personal crime. I mean, a robber would most like take things robbers like- electronics, jewelry, money. A person intent on simple murder would likely bring an actual weapon such as a gun or knife. A two-by-four in the dark is strange to say the least. Kable, did you know your attacker? Did your girl have another fellah? What age were you when this happened? Clearly the guy was caught since you shot him (or at him- can you clarify? I believe you have said both). What was he charged with and what sentence was handed down, if there was one? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1623 "2013-04-09T02:07:11Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > Kable, did you know your attacker? Did your girl have another fellah? What age were you when this happened? Clearly the guy was caught since you shot him (or at him- can you clarify? I believe you have said both). What was he charged with and what sentence was handed down, if there was one? Yeah I knew him. From what I gather he did have a crush on my girlfriend but no relationship. I was about 32 when it happened. I came to learn he was bipolar and not taking his meds. I think he was charged with breaking and entering and assault and battery, because the prosecutors said that was easier to make stick than attempted murder, however in the police report he die say his intent was to kill. He pleaded insanity and got it, and was given 7 years in the state hospital and let out after 2 or so. It was after the incident that I became more of a fanatic so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1624 "2013-04-09T02:34:12Z")
[In today’s stupid gun news:](http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/08/4-year-old-grabs-loaded-gun-at-family-bbq-and-accidentally-kills-wife-of-tennessee-sheriffs-deputy/) 4-year-old grabs loaded gun at family BBQ and accidentally kills wife of Tennessee sheriff’s deputy Sorry **Kable** - I don’t have a handy youtube video, so you probably won’t really understand what’s going on - you’d have to read words and stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1625 "2013-04-09T02:40:50Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Sorry **Kable** - I don’t have a handy youtube video, so you probably won’t really understand what’s going on - you’d have to read words and stuff. Did the kid use an assault weapon, or one of the guns you all wouldn’t ever dream of banning? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1626 "2013-04-09T02:46:17Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Did the kid use an assault weapon, or one of the guns you all wouldn’t ever dream of banning? This makes no sense at all. I wonder if anyone at the family BBQ has changed their mind about gun safety. Interesting how a little anecdotal evidence can change your opinion. ETA: Look at the title of this thread fella: Stupid Gun News of the Day. My post qualifies. Your post is pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1627 "2013-04-09T02:48:09Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Did the kid use an assault weapon, or one of the guns you all wouldn’t ever dream of banning? Is that a rhetorical question? Because I was under the impression you already know everything I am thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1628 "2013-04-09T02:49:54Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This makes no sense at all. I agree your anecdote makes no sense at all given that none of the proposed gun laws the country supposedly needs would have prevented this tragedy, or the others. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1629 "2013-04-09T02:57:51Z")
It’s stark proof that we can’t trust gun-owners just because they’re gun-owners. I’d bet dollars to donuts that the guy who laid that gun on the bed - but just for a second - knew all the same safety rules and stats about defensive gun uses as friend **Kable** , but shucks, wouldn’t you know it, couldn’t have seen it coming in this case, just one of those freak accidents that hardly ever happens … more than a few times a month, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1630 "2013-04-09T03:00:18Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’d bet dollars to donuts that the guy who laid that gun on the bed - but just for a second - knew all the same safety rules and stats about defensive gun uses as friend **Kable** , but shucks, wouldn’t you know it, couldn’t have seen it coming in this case, just one of those freak accidents that hardly ever happens … And he is so overcome by grief, it would be cruel to hold him accountable. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1631 "2013-04-09T03:01:07Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I agree your anecdote makes no sense at all given that none of the proposed gun laws the country supposedly needs would have prevented this tragedy, or the others. True, people choosing not to be dimwitted gun nuts who leave loaded firearms lying all over the place would’ve prevented it. So far that’s proven somewhat more difficult to legislate. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1632 "2013-04-09T03:14:55Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’d bet dollars to donuts that the guy who laid that gun on the bed - but just for a second - knew all the same safety rules and stats about defensive gun uses as friend **Kable** , but shucks, wouldn’t you know it, couldn’t have seen it coming in this case, just one of those freak accidents that hardly ever happens … more than a few times a month, anyway. So what do you propose be done about it? Outlaw handguns for everyone or just from from the Sheriff’s department? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1633 "2013-04-09T04:01:42Z")
Hey, how about this chick? [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KywEQhXCoac) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1634 "2013-04-09T04:11:31Z")
**Kable** is a one-man stupid gun youtube of the day guy. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1635 "2013-04-09T04:36:29Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > **Kable** is a one-man stupid gun youtube of the day guy. You find any faults with anything the girl said? ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1636 "2013-04-09T11:02:25Z")
A few more details on the 4 year old who killed the Deputy’s wife: "On April 6, Wilson County Deputy Daniel Fanning was inside his home showing his weapons collection to a relative when the officer’s wife and young nephew entered the room. The child grabbed one of Fanning’s loaded guns off the bed and fired a single shot. The bullet struck Josephine Fanning, the deputy’s 48-year-old wife. Despite efforts to revive her, Josephine was pronounced dead at the scene. The gun used in the shooting was not the officer’s service weapon, nor was he on duty at the time of the incident, The Tennessean reported. " ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1637 "2013-04-09T11:21:27Z")
So what new laws do you propose to fix that kind of stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1638 "2013-04-09T11:23:24Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > There was a non-significant trend in the data that would indicate those with long guns in the home were in fact a little better off. No, there was not. As the other thread has shown, there’s simply no point in taking pains to explain this to you. There was no effect, even without accounting for other factors, for long guns. You don’t just get to call something a trend based on your whim. Like the old saying, you use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost - for support rather than illumination. > [@](#): > > Obviously you have not read the Kellerman study (and other research on the subject that finds, but does not play up, some of the same facts). You’re a lying weasel shit. It’s apparently compulsive; you cannot stop yourself. > [@](#): > > Kellerman found homicides were much more likely to occur in households with a history of alcohol abuse, drug use, domestic violence, prior arrests. None of the confidence intervals included the 1.0 zero effect and all of these factors were more associated with homicide than even the ownership of handguns. If you read the paper you might come to the same conclusion that I did. That criminals should not own guns. What statistic do you use to draw the conclusion that the other factors were “more associated” with homicide? Hint for your dumbass: you have to do a direct comparison of the parameter values in a regression model to draw comparative conclusions like this. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1639 "2013-04-09T11:53:43Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > No, there was not. As the other thread has shown, there’s simply no point in taking pains to explain this to you. There was no effect, even without accounting for other factors, for long guns. You don’t just get to call something a trend based on your whim. Yes there was and yes I do. > [@](#): > > You’re a lying weasel shit. As the other thread showed, you are the lying weasel shit. I even made you backpedal. I bet it hurt too. > [@](#): > > It’s apparently compulsive; you cannot stop yourself.What statistic do you use to draw the conclusion that the other factors were “more associated” with homicide? Hint for your dumbass: you have to do a direct comparison of the parameter values in a regression model to draw comparative conclusions like this. I just looked at table 3 and 4. Can’t you read? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1640 "2013-04-09T12:03:57Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > As the other thread showed, you are the lying weasel shit. I even made you backpedal. I bet it hurt too. No, you pointed out a fairly minor mistake (saying the value “is” rather than “is within”) that I made and I acknowledged it. How is that backpedaling? > [@](#): > > I just looked at table 3 and 4. Can’t you read? You’re an ankle biting little douchebag. Please state for me the value of the parameter comparison test shown in Table 3 or Table 4 that would allow you to conclude that one of the variables is stronger than guns in the household. Also, I would like to point out that Kable has taken pains to suggest that the Kellermann paper is rife with error and fraud and has been discredited, while also pointing to specific stats within it as evidence in support of his position on guns. Pick one or the other, you dumb fuck! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=83)