# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1701 "2013-04-11T10:29:21Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I wouldn’t shoot my neighbor’s pet, but either it’s wrong to eat pigs or it isn’t. From the pigs perspective I can’t think of any good reason why the death and consumption of one pig is more or less moral than another. Aside from property rights I can’t think any difference from a human perspective either. You could have stopped at “I can’t think”. It would have been more honest. Seriously, the fact that you don’t understand what the problem is here says a lot about you. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1702 "2013-04-11T10:35:54Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > You could have stopped at “I can’t think”. It would have been more honest. > > Seriously, the fact that you don’t understand what the problem is here says a lot about you. What I find interesting is that, with the myriad posters on this board who are avid gun rights supporters, literally only one will join in discussions this guy is in. I think most of them are smart enough to see how dim and unhelpful Kable is. Only Damuri Ajashi isn’t. But to be fair, his capacities are currently being challenged by his emoitions over his pediatrician’s interrogation. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1703 "2013-04-11T10:47:51Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > What I find interesting is that, with the myriad posters on this board who are avid gun rights supporters, literally only one will join in discussions this guy is in. I think most of them are smart enough to see how dim and unhelpful Kable is. Only Damuri Ajashi isn’t. > > But to be fair, his capacities are currently being challenged by his emoitions over his pediatrician’s interrogation. And to also be fair, I agree with **Damuri Ajashi** on many points, including that licensing and registration would be more effective at preventing gun deaths than an AWB ban and magazine limitation. As I’ve said before, I’m not arguing with **Kable** because I’m anti-gun; I’m arguing with him because he’s a disingenuous idiot who thinks that anyone who doesn’t conform to his bizarre “gun grabber” strawman is lying to hide their real agenda. Actually I’m not arguing with him at all anymore, only pointing and laughing at the sad clown he is. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1704 "2013-04-11T12:26:35Z")
Constitutionally speaking, why is it okay to have stringent concealed carry requirements but not stringent ownership requirements? It seems if it’s not constitutionally denied to require classes and permitting to carry a concealed weapon, the same sorts of requirements could be made for gun ownership in general. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1705 "2013-04-11T12:45:30Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Constitutionally speaking, why is it okay to have stringent concealed carry requirements but not stringent ownership requirements? It seems if it’s not constitutionally denied to require classes and permitting to carry a concealed weapon, the same sorts of requirements could be made for gun ownership in general. IANAL but I would imagine a blanket requirement could be seen as an overly onerous obstacle to a constitutional right. On the other hand, given all the jiggerypokery that’s going on with voting rights at the moment and the enhanced requirements to be allowed to vote, there’s clearly a continuum here and a determination to be had about how much is too much. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1706 "2013-04-11T13:01:59Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I wouldn’t shoot my neighbor’s pet, but either it’s wrong to eat pigs or it isn’t. From the pigs perspective I can’t think of any good reason why the death and consumption of one pig is more or less moral than another. Aside from property rights I can’t think any difference from a human perspective either. Really? “Eating pigs is bad,” is what you took away from my post? One of three possibilities here: - You’re impossibly stupid. - You’re an unmitigated shit-stirring troll. - You’re the moron who shot the pig. Which one do you want to be? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1707 "2013-04-11T13:31:24Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > You could have stopped at “I can’t think”. It would have been more honest. > > Seriously, the fact that you don’t understand what the problem is here says a lot about you. Come on Gyrate, it’s a funny story. People eat pigs you know. It’s normal. Haven’t you ever visited a farm? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1708 "2013-04-11T13:39:24Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Come on Gyrate, it’s a funny story. People eat pigs you know. It’s normal. Haven’t you ever visited a farm? I have visited farms, yes - I have relatives who are farmers (although not, thankfully, pig farmers, given the smell involved). And I eat pork, bacon and ham. What’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1709 "2013-04-11T13:42:36Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I have visited farms, yes - I have relatives who are farmers (although not, thankfully, pig farmers, given the smell involved). And I eat pork, bacon and ham. What’s your point? So what’s the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1710 "2013-04-11T13:52:17Z")
Lookee, y’all. There’s a pig in someone’s yard. I’ma get ma gun an’ shoot it! Yee haw! Yeah, no problems there. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1711 "2013-04-11T13:55:12Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Constitutionally speaking, why is it okay to have stringent concealed carry requirements but not stringent ownership requirements? It seems if it’s not constitutionally denied to require classes and permitting to carry a concealed weapon, the same sorts of requirements could be made for gun ownership in general. That was one reason why there was a big push for states to enact “Shall Issue” laws. It changed gun carry from a state-granted privilege to a right that the state had to show cause to deny. Some hardliners do insist that there should be “constitutional carry”, but gun rights advocates have more important priorities. ETA: strictly speaking, a carry permit in a Shall Issue state is simply certification that you have been investigated and found to not be ineligible to own a gun. The classes requirement is more borderline, but essentially it’s that you’ve proven you’re not dangerously incompetent with a firearm. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1712 "2013-04-11T14:14:00Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Lookee, y’all. There’s a pig in someone’s yard. I’ma get ma gun an’ shoot it! Yee haw! > Yeah, no problems there. But the pig wasn’t in somebodies yard. It was on the side of a highway. It was in the country not the suburbs. Why would anyone shoot a pig? Because it’s made of pork, dummy. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1713 "2013-04-11T14:28:00Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > More good news! > > Poll: Most Americans Disapprove of Obama on Guns > > [Poll: Most Americans Disapprove of Obama on Guns - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/04/poll-most-americans-disapprove-of-obama-on-guns/) > [@](#): > > CNN and Opinion Research Corp. found that 45 percent approve of Obama’s handling of “gun policy,” while 52 percent disapprove. > > It’s unclear why, exactly: CNN didn’t ask respondents whether they’re disappointed with the president because they oppose the gun-control measures he has advocated, or because he hasn’t yet succeeded in enacting new laws. > > A mix of the two reasons is the likeliest explanation. > > Polls have found broad support for gun-control measures Obama and Democrats have pushed. Most recently, a Quinnipiac University poll found that 53 percent support “stricter gun laws in the United States,” 91 percent support background checks for all gun buyers, 59 percent a nationwide ban on “assault weapons,” and 58 percent support a ban on magazines that hold more than 10 bullets. Valuable Posting Tip #27 There are ‘words’ underneath headlines. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1714 "2013-04-11T14:35:05Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > But the pig wasn’t in somebodies yard. It was on the side of a highway. It was in the country not the suburbs. Why would anyone shoot a pig? Because it’s made of pork, dummy. It wasn’t a wild boar, Ted Nugent, it was a pet pig. Mr. Pork Loving Responsible Gun owner should have called animal control, or the cops; what he shouldn’t have done is gone home to get his gun so he could come back and load up on bacon. That’s called being irresponsible – which, in case I need to spell it out to you (you do know how to spell, right?) is the point of my original post. But don’t let me slow you down; that shit isn’t going to stir itself. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1715 "2013-04-11T14:37:05Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Lookee, y’all. There’s a pig in someone’s yard. I’ma get ma gun an’ shoot it! Yee haw! > Yeah, no problems there. LOL- I was just chatting with a neighbor about this “I saw an animal so I killed it!” attitude. Hunting? Sure, whatever. It’s not my bag, but if you wanna shoot and eat deer, knock yourself out. Until I learned that very often, the deer are farm raised and released 10 days before hunting season. Might as well tie them to a log as much ‘sport’ as there seems to be in that. I can’t tell you how many times I have heard someone say they saw a (snake, possum, raccoon, bird, squirrel, armadillo- you name it) and decided to shoot it, and this happened again this week. I’m in Texas, so maybe that has something to do with it. I just don’t grok the thought process that compels one to shoot any old animal that happens to cross their path… especially in a suburban neighborhood. So, in my normal, suburban, residential area, a neighbor just told me he saw a possum and shot it with his 22. I have been watching this possum roam around here for weeks. It’s been poking around my compost bid, annoying the neighbors cat by checking out his cat food bowl, and hiding in the bushes behind my other neighbors shed. Whenever I hear a neighbor say “I saw a (insert animal here) and shot it!” I usually ask “Why? Was it causing you some trouble?” Usually they reply “Well, they’re destructive and carry diseases!” I usually think, but do not say except on occasion “Yeah? So are/do you, but I don’t feel compelled to shoot you over it.” I’m kinda hoping just asking the question will cause these kind to evaluate their future actions. Probably too subtle, though. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1716 "2013-04-11T14:58:07Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > Hunting? Sure, whatever. It’s not my bag, but if you wanna shoot and eat deer, knock yourself out. Until I learned that very often, the deer are farm raised and released 10 days before hunting season. Might as well tie them to a log as much ‘sport’ as there seems to be in that. What, really? I thought deer tended to overpopulate. Bang goes that argument, so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1717 "2013-04-11T15:29:19Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > It wasn’t a wild boar, Ted Nugent, it was a pet pig. Mr. Pork Loving Responsible Gun owner should have called animal control, or the cops; what he shouldn’t have done is gone home to get his gun so he could come back and load up on bacon. That’s called being irresponsible – which, in case I need to spell it out to you (you do know how to spell, right?) is the point of my original post. It wasn’t some pot-bellied pig you moron, it was the kind of pig you eat, and the kind of pig that often escapes and becomes feral. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1718 "2013-04-11T15:29:40Z")
> [@](#): > > …Bang goes that argument, so to speak. Doe! ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1719 "2013-04-11T15:32:59Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > Whenever I hear a neighbor say “I saw a (insert animal here) and shot it!” I usually ask “Why? Was it causing you some trouble?” > > Usually they reply “Well, they’re destructive and carry diseases!” I usually think, but do not say except on occasion “Yeah? So are/do you, but I don’t feel compelled to shoot you over it.” > > I’m kinda hoping just asking the question will cause these kind to evaluate their future actions. Probably too subtle, though. This guy had a fairly good reason though. He wanted to eat it. Feral pigs are known to be destructive. You can read about it on wiki. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1720 "2013-04-11T15:41:16Z")
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