# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/161 "2013-02-03T17:44:28Z")
[http://americablog.com/2013/02/walmart-gun-world-shooting-dismember.html](http://americablog.com/2013/02/walmart-gun-world-shooting-dismember.html) Walmart thought it was OK to sell this dude a rifle. Guess what happened? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/162 "2013-02-03T18:01:51Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > If you accept the hypothetical, banning guns would stack the odds in your favor. No, I’m 5’ and weigh 110 Lbs. A Junior High football player can beat the hell out of me. I’d be an easy mark for B&E. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/163 "2013-02-03T18:06:36Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > No, I’m 5’ and weigh 110 Lbs. A Junior High football player can beat the hell out of me. > I’d be an easy mark for B&E. > 🙂 Yeah, but you are still much likelier to accidentally be shot, purposely be shot, or kill yourself as an unplanned impulse than to use a gun to fend off that JV Footballer at the prom. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/164 "2013-02-03T18:14:15Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I apologize, I took you as one of the anti-gunners who only focus on the bad and ignore the good that guns are used for, and I am perhaps a bit oversensitive given the already poisoned title of this thread. As for reading, I’ve been talking about these articles in some other posts of mine which I think are well done. > > [http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-truth-about-violence](http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-truth-about-violence) > > [Sam Harris | Home of the Making Sense Podcast](http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-riddle-of-the-gun) > > [http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/faq-on-violence](http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/faq-on-violence) > > Going forward though my counter-offensive plan is to post a good news story for every bad news story I see, and I think with the videos are harder for people to just explain away than are statistics that on this subject nobody seems to trust and don’t seem to sway anyone. With a video or 911 transcript my hope is that seeing/hearing is believing. As the OP, I don’t think the title is as poisoned as the “Stupid Republican/Democrat” threads I took the title from. My intent (foolishly, in respect) was to see ‘stupid’ news rather than endless advocacy. Stupid things like nut jobs in Kroger or in the Senate proposing bills like Feinstein. Lots to poke fun at without debate. The stupid is strong on both sides of this national debate… Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/165 "2013-02-03T18:15:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Yeah, but you are still much likelier to accidentally be shot, purposely be shot, or kill yourself as an unplanned impulse than to use a gun to fend off that JV Footballer at the prom. I don’t have an argument with him at the prom, it’s when he breaks down my door that I have an argument. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/166 "2013-02-03T18:46:46Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I don’t have an argument with him at the prom, it’s when he breaks down my door that I have an argument. 🙂 The point is that you’re more likely to have killed or harmed yourself with that gun than used it on the off chance he breaks down your door. You’re essentially holding on to a time bomb that could go off at any minute hoping that it will only blow up when you throw it. Its much more likely to go off in your hands. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/167 "2013-02-03T19:10:10Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > The point is that you’re more likely to have killed or harmed yourself with that gun than used it on the off chance he breaks down your door. You’re essentially holding on to a time bomb that could go off at any minute hoping that it will only blow up when you throw it. Its much more likely to go off in your hands. I’ve made it to 56 so far. 🙂 Dad had a gun at the house, and I’ve had one all the time I’ve lived alone. I’ve so far only shot a raccoon that may have been rabid and a copperhead that was in my Wife’s parking space. If I had a concealed carry permit, and had I driven my Wife to work when the guy crawled in her car window, saying, “I have a gun and I’m going to kill you”, I’d have used it a third time. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/168 "2013-02-03T19:19:23Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I’ve made it to 56 so far. 🙂 > Dad had a gun at the house, and I’ve had one all the time I’ve lived alone. > I’ve so far only shot a raccoon that may have been rabid and a copperhead that was in my Wife’s parking space. > If I had a concealed carry permit, and had I driven my Wife to work when the guy crawled in her car window, saying, “I have a gun and I’m going to kill you”, I’d have used it a third time. So you are unable to understand very basic questions of probability? You can smoke every day of your life and die at a 100 from exhaustion after sexing a pair of 19 year old twins. That doesn’t mean smoking isn’t bad, and isn’t detrimental to society. I wonder how common it is to be utterly unable to separate anecdote from reality. Seems more common on the right. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/169 "2013-02-03T19:49:48Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > So you are unable to understand very basic questions of probability? Well, I don’t buy lottery tickets. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/170 "2013-02-03T19:53:20Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Well, I don’t buy lottery tickets. At last common ground! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/171 "2013-02-03T20:05:26Z")
In an effort to conform to the OP, I thought there was a story where the deer shot the hunter, but[here](http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28005680/#.UQ7BlfL_3IU)is the next best. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/172 "2013-02-03T20:08:41Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I wonder how common it is to be utterly unable to separate anecdote from reality. Seems more common on the right. Wait a minute, I’m left wing save for this particular issue! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/173 "2013-02-03T20:29:07Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > In an effort to conform to the OP, I thought there was a story where the deer shot the hunter, but[here](http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28005680/#.UQ7BlfL_3IU)is the next best. Cue Aerosmith: Bambi’s got a gun.._.chicka wang wang_ Hunters on the run…_chicka wang wang_ What are they gonna do? When the deer can shoot you too? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/174 "2013-02-03T20:42:16Z")
[A former Navy SEAL sniper and author of books about sniping was shot at a gun range today.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/03/eddie-routh-chris-kyle-murder-navy-seal_n_2611117.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D265410) Clearly, this never would have happened if only the snipers and gun range attendees had been allowed to have guns to defend themselves with. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/175 "2013-02-03T20:45:03Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Wait a minute, I’m left wing save for this particular issue! 🙂 I know, that’s why I was confused! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/176 "2013-02-03T20:46:25Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [A former Navy SEAL sniper and author of books about sniping was shot at a gun range today.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/03/eddie-routh-chris-kyle-murder-navy-seal_n_2611117.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D265410) > > Clearly, this never would have happened if only the snipers and gun range attendees had been allowed to have guns to defend themselves with. More guns is surely the answer. If he had been under a pile of guns, the bullets may have deflected. Also, it’s really shitty that a hyper-competent soldier was killed by some dipshit run amok. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/177 "2013-02-03T21:19:13Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I don’t know. But I do know that specific anecdotes are a profoundly stupid way to argue this issue. > > If ten people are murdered for every one saved from assault, then it’s not good argument that the one person is saved. Surely you are able to understand that? Well then, the Newtown Conn. school shooting is just one specific anecdote about a deranged young criminal with stolen weapons. Isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/178 "2013-02-03T21:21:52Z")
How long do you plan to keep us in suspense before you tell us what your point is? ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/179 "2013-02-03T21:30:35Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > More guns is surely the answer. If he had been under a pile of guns, the bullets may have deflected. > > Also, it’s really shitty that a hyper-competent soldier was killed by some dipshit run amok. Initial reports are that said dipshit was _also_ a military-trained sniper himself. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/180 "2013-02-03T22:15:36Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > Initial reports are that said dipshit was _also_ a military-trained sniper himself. I guess he’s Pat Garret then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=10)