# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 92
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1821 "2013-04-12T17:00:22Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Yeah, and lets do so of every child in America, in public schools. Only gun owners would need this training. If you don’t desire to own a gun, you don’t have to do the training. The good thing about this kind of extensive training is that the gun owners would likely act much more responsibly to ensure that unauthorized people or children would not be able to access the guns. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1822 "2013-04-12T17:37:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > They don’t listen in history class, they don’t listen in math class… They don’t? Are you suggesting then that we do away with public education? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1823 "2013-04-12T17:40:55Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Only gun owners would need this training. If you don’t desire to own a gun, you don’t have to do the training. Probably better if everyone gets the training. Non-gun owners still shoot their friends guns from time to time, and it would be good for non-gun owners to know if those handling guns around them are being safe or not. Then they could wise someone up, or know when they need to remove themselves from a dangerous situation. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1824 "2013-04-12T17:49:11Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Probably better if everyone gets the training. Non-gun owners still shoot their friends guns from time to time, and it would be good for non-gun owners to know if those handling guns around them are being safe or not. Then they could wise someone up, or know when they need to remove themselves from a dangerous situation. Education is always good, but not always necessary. If it were illegal for an unlicensed person to handle a gun, there would not be nearly as many guns handed to untrained friends. In the same way my pilot friend can’t just let me fly his plane. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1825 "2013-04-12T19:17:44Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > If it were illegal for an unlicensed person to handle a gun, there would not be nearly as many guns handed to untrained friends. In the same way my pilot friend can’t just let me fly his plane. So you can’t take you friends shooting? That would be retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1826 "2013-04-12T19:37:18Z")
More stupid gun news: cops arrest hunter, “don’t care” he’s carrying legally: > **[Police, ‘anti-gun’ prosecutor clash with soldiers in area around Fort Hood...](https://dailycaller.com/2013/04/12/police-anti-gun-prosecutor-clash-with-soldiers-in-area-around-fort-hood-video/)** > > The conflict reached a fever pitch when Texas police arrested an active-duty army sergeant last month > [@](#): > > “In this day and age, [people] are alarmed when they see someone with what you have,” one of the officers tells Grisham in the video. “They don’t care what the law is.” ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1827 "2013-04-12T19:44:54Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > So you can’t take you friends shooting? That would be retarded. They can come with you, but they can’t necessarily operate the gun. Just like I can go flying with my friend, but I can’t fly the plane. It might be beneficial if gun licenses had different certifications just like a pilot’s license. Depending on his training, a pilot will be certified for different equipment, flying conditions, and training ability. Gun licenses could be similar. If you’ve achieved your “Gun guidance certificate”, then your untrained friend could use your gun under your supervision. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1828 "2013-04-12T20:14:24Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > They don’t? Are you suggesting then that we do away with public education? No. Are you suggesting we replace dodgeball bruises with sucking chest wounds? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1829 "2013-04-12T20:29:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No. Are you suggesting we replace dodgeball bruises with sucking chest wounds? I think he’s suggesting we replace logical thinking with idiotic rhetorical questions. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1830 "2013-04-12T23:23:07Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > They can come with you, but they can’t necessarily operate the gun. Just like I can go flying with my friend, but I can’t fly the plane. That’s dumb. Good luck getting that passed. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1831 "2013-04-12T23:24:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No. You implied that kids don’t listen and learn so education is useless. So you take that back? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1832 "2013-04-12T23:34:33Z")
It is like arguing with somebody who is heavily sedated yet nonetheless aggressive. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1833 "2013-04-12T23:40:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It is like arguing with somebody who is heavily sedated yet nonetheless aggressive. So are you implying that you’re against giving psychotic people their medication? Why don’t you believe in medicine? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1834 "2013-04-13T00:31:24Z")
I believe in medicine; more to the point, I believe in self-medicating. In **Kable** ’s case, though, I fear that a more medieval form of treatment may be in order. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1835 "2013-04-13T00:59:39Z")
This is not stupid at all. Background checks in Colorado stop 38 from buying guns who were convicted of homicides, 600 burglars, 1300 who committed felonious assaults, 400 had existing restraining orders were stopped, and 236 showed up to pick up their guns but were arrested because of existing warrants for violent felonies. [http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-daily-rundown/51415523#51415523](http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-daily-rundown/51415523#51415523) ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1836 "2013-04-13T01:55:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It is like arguing with somebody who is heavily sedated yet nonetheless aggressive. In general, education is good, or a waste of time? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1837 "2013-04-13T02:00:22Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I never said that “gun grabber” was not commonly understood. It is. It is a term commonly used by folks that have put little thought into a complex situation, and reduce any attempt at harm reduction to the simple phrase “GUN GRABBER!” I have only seen Kable refer to folks who support a ban (or, in some cases, suspect would support a ban) as a gun grabber. He’s a bit more ardent in his support of the second amendment than I am but the phrase gun grabber is no less accurate than pro-choice people who refer to anti-abortion people as anti-choice, at least when referring to people who support a ban. > [@](#): > > And **THAT** is the major tragedy. There are an astounding number of gun accidents, injuries, homicides, and suicides. It’s a symptom of the country’s historical (and almost pathological IMHO) attachment to objects designed to kill. And 60% of those deaths are suicides, about 35% are homicides committed by people who aren’t supposed to have guns in the first place (we have a really good idea of who is likely to commit homicide and we have laws to keep guns out of their hands). > [@Kable](#): > > Yeah, and lets do so of every child in America, in public schools. How about we just make it an elective like driver’s ed. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1838 "2013-04-13T02:22:47Z")
Here’s the weekly update of gun fail: > **[GunFAIL XIII](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1199518)** > > Some important #GunFAIL events this week: > > I believe this week's entry from El Dorado, Kansas, is the first post-12/14 instance of an armed security guard accidentally shooting a student. It's ... … “shared projectiles of freedom with their neighbors” FTW! ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1839 "2013-04-13T02:33:32Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > In general, education is good, or a waste of time? It can be both. Education, in and of itself, can be good, but can also be a waste of time if the time would be better spent learning more relevant topics. The student only has a limited amount of time. The topics they learn need to be balanced against the usefulness they will receive from them. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1840 "2013-04-13T02:36:11Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > This is not stupid at all. > > Background checks in Colorado stop 38 from buying guns who were convicted of homicides, 600 burglars, 1300 who committed felonious assaults, 400 had existing restraining orders were stopped, and 236 showed up to pick up their guns but were arrested because of existing warrants for violent felonies. [http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-daily-rundown/51415523#51415523](http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-daily-rundown/51415523#51415523) I think that last group of 236 might well qualify as stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=91) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=93)