# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1841 "2013-04-13T03:10:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > How about we just make it an elective like driver’s ed. Better than nothing but I think it would save more lives if mandatory. If it saves just one life then it’s worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1842 "2013-04-13T03:12:11Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > It can be both. Education, in and of itself, can be good, but can also be a waste of time if the time would be better spent learning more relevant topics. The student only has a limited amount of time. The topics they learn need to be balanced against the usefulness they will receive from them. Great, since there are almost as many guns in this country as their are people, and soon will be more guns than people, surely it is relevant that everyone learn gun safety. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1843 "2013-04-13T03:13:28Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Better than nothing but I think it would save more lives if mandatory. Freedom-loving American patriots abhor anything mandatory. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1844 "2013-04-13T03:39:31Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Freedom-loving American patriots abhor anything mandatory. Really? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1845 "2013-04-13T03:49:58Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Really? Here, let me [Youtube that for you.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pVwpIfSYo4) ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1846 "2013-04-13T04:00:26Z")
Mandatory gun safety training for kids should amount to, “If you see an unsecured gun, start screaming for an adult. Do not touch it.” That’s it. No reason to learn the 4 rules until you take them shooting, which should always be supervised. Just-in-time training is more effective anyway, and for most kids, “Don’t touch guns” is all they’ll ever need. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1847 "2013-04-13T04:33:53Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Mandatory gun safety training for kids should amount to, “If you see an unsecured gun, start screaming for an adult. Do not touch it.” That’s it. No reason to learn the 4 rules until you take them shooting, which should always be supervised. Just-in-time training is more effective anyway, and for most kids, “Don’t touch guns” is all they’ll ever need. At some age, maybe 10, you should probably start teaching them how to use it. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1848 "2013-04-13T04:39:57Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > At some age, maybe 10, you should probably start teaching them how to use it. Yes, that’s a job for parents who buy their kids guns. Or in my case, the Boy Scout camp where I first shot a .22. Mandatory school-based training for vast numbers of suburban kids who don’t own guns is pointless for any training beyond “don’t touch an unattended gun.” ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1849 "2013-04-13T04:42:04Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Mandatory school-based training for vast numbers of suburban kids who don’t own guns is pointless for any traing beyond “don’t touch an unattended gun.” Suburban kids aren’t at risk for accidents? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1850 "2013-04-13T04:43:08Z")
I knew it. [http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/explaining-the-gender-gap-on-gun-control-20130412](http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/explaining-the-gender-gap-on-gun-control-20130412) Gun control is effeminate. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1851 "2013-04-13T04:46:06Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Suburban kids aren’t at risk for accidents? “Don’t touch an unattended gun, find an adult” isn’t a good enough rule for you? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1852 "2013-04-13T04:59:56Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > “Don’t touch an unattended gun, find an adult” isn’t a good enough rule for you? Maybe till age 10, but maybe not even. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1853 "2013-04-13T05:36:23Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I knew it. …Gun control is effeminate. So now you want to execute all the Moms, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1854 "2013-04-13T05:40:39Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Better than nothing but I think it would save more lives if mandatory. If it saves just one life then it’s worth it. Some parents are about as rational about gun education as other parents are about sex education. In fact they make some of the same abstinence only type arguments > [@steronz](#): > > “Don’t touch an unattended gun, find an adult” isn’t a good enough rule for you? Yeah, turns out that doesnt work so well. Kids are curious and nor very good at doing as they are told. You might as well tell teenagers not to have sex until they are married. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1855 "2013-04-13T05:59:39Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yeah, turns out that doesnt work so well. Kids are curious and nor very good at doing as they are told. You might as well tell teenagers not to have sex until they are married. So, teaching them gun safety is wasted time also, right? Kids are gonna shoot what kids are gonna shoot. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1856 "2013-04-13T11:26:59Z")
Somebody’s gonna have to convince me on the wisdom of allowing 10 year olds to have guns in the first place. Drinking age? Check. Driving age? Check. Voting age? Check. Gun ownership age? Not necessary! ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1857 "2013-04-13T13:02:06Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So, teaching them gun safety is wasted time also, right? Kids are gonna shoot what kids are gonna shoot. Are you pretending to be that stupid? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1858 "2013-04-13T13:04:08Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So, teaching them gun safety is wasted time also, right? Kids are gonna shoot what kids are gonna shoot. Guns tend to have immediately fatal consequences…sex, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1859 "2013-04-13T13:08:22Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > Somebody’s gonna have to convince me on the wisdom of allowing 10 year olds to have guns in the first place. > > Drinking age? Check. > Driving age? Check. > Voting age? Check. > Gun ownership age? Not necessary! I wasn’t commenting on ownership, I was commenting on when to start teaching them safe gun handling. I started learning it when I was 9 and got my fist BB gun, and the rule that if I pointed it at anyone it would be taken away. I took my game and fish gun safety course when I was 14 and got my first rifle. If this education were made available to everyone it would save lives. But of course the goal of anti-gunners isn’t to save lives but rather ban guns cause they are scary. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/1860 "2013-04-13T13:11:51Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Are you pretending to be that stupid? I have to lower myself to your level when a YouTube video just isn’t enough. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=92) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=94)