# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428 "2022-01-26T17:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/941 "2023-03-17T11:30:04Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > In more gun & toddler related news, [Man with 2-year old in car opens fire during road rage incident](https://us.yahoo.com/news/road-rage-shooting-leaves-2-142056108.html). Hearing loss all around! ( Cars are pressure-tight containers. Fire a gun in one with the windows closed, good-bye ear drums. Even with multiple windows down, the shell/frame will (amplify? concentrate? focus?) the effect so some hearing loss is a given. It’s the price of stupidity. ) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/942 "2023-03-17T12:33:31Z")
That’s why I wear earplugs when I drive. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/943 "2023-03-17T14:40:19Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > That’s why I wear earplugs when I drive. Don’t forget safety glasses. Getting glass shards in your eye can affect your aim. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/944 "2023-03-17T14:47:15Z")
Who said anything about aiming? If I am aiming, I might miss the bystander. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/945 "2023-03-17T15:23:03Z")
You know, 4 out of 5 bystanders prefer you not aiming. ( The 5th was hit by the other guy ) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/946 "2023-03-17T23:13:42Z")
The latest posts in this thread remind me of [_X Marks the Pedwalk_](https://www.gutenberg.org/files/52776/52776-h/52776-h.htm) (the story, not the band). ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/947 "2023-03-18T03:39:21Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > Cars are pressure-tight containers. Fire a gun in one with the windows closed, good-bye ear drums. Even with multiple windows down, the shell/frame will (amplify? concentrate? focus?) the effect Which is why you should stick your arm and head sideways out the window to shoot, you can pay attention to driving in between shots. We’ve been over it before. You are in a _car_. Get. Away. from who/whatever’s the problem. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/948 "2023-03-18T04:18:53Z")
Unfortunately, the child was in the back seat of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/949 "2023-03-18T19:35:35Z")
Reason # 126 to not go to Florida (includes the GQP legislature, Grovenator, assorted sycophants, …) - GUN LAWS > **[Charges Dropped Against Driver Who Opened Fire on I-95 in Miami](https://jalopnik.com/charges-dropped-against-driver-who-opened-fire-on-i-95-1850237128)** > > The driver's attorney said that Florida's Stand Your Ground Law ensured his client's actions were reasonable self-defense. Dashcam video is incredible (for some meaning of incred…) p.s. Somehow, Grovenator didn’t upset my spellchecker. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/950 "2023-03-18T20:02:15Z")
If “something” struck his vehicle, it seems it would be easy enough to tell if that something was a waterbottle or a bullet. If the other driver did fire first, then I guess returning fire _is_ justified. Stupid, but if someone’s shooting at you, then I do think you have the right to shoot back. Doubly stupid because you are endangering the lives of _everyone_ on the road around you. So, what’s the story on the other driver? If he actually did shoot at Popper, then shouldn’t he be charged? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/951 "2023-03-18T22:32:44Z")
Hey, it was a bomb that struck his vehicle. Water bomb, but the word bomb is right there in the name of the thing. Why are you supporting cancelling him? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/952 "2023-03-18T22:35:27Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > If the other driver did fire first, then I guess returning fire _is_ justified. Not sure how you get this. It is _never_ acceptable to shoot at or from a moving vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/953 "2023-03-18T23:02:44Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Not sure how you get this. It is _never_ acceptable to shoot at or from a moving vehicle. I agree. Cars move forward quickly, backwards slowly, and can turn right and left. They can also stop. If someone shoots at you, get away from them. If they are in a hurry, then you stop away from them. Call the police, film the car as best you can, and wait for the patrol car. This whole “drive with one hand, shoot with the other” is Hollywood BS as you’ll likely run into a third car or a guard rail or a tree or a curb or a wall or etc etc. You might even roll your car. Also, I’m still not convinced that having a loaded gun in your possession/car is a positive when the police come to take the report. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/954 "2023-03-18T23:06:37Z")
That case of the guy who shot from his car on I-95 in Miami is yet another reason why the “stand your ground” laws are an enormous mistake. And to me, looking at the dashcam footage, it doesn’t appear that he was defending himself. Instead to me, it looks like he’s just shooting blindly. He doesn’t even seem to be looking where he’s shooting. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/955 "2023-03-18T23:22:09Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Not sure how you get this. It is _never_ acceptable to shoot at or from a moving vehicle. It’s not a great idea, but in some extremely limited circumstances it may be necessary to protect yourself. If someone is actually shooting out of their vehicle at yours, then I can’t really fault shooting back. > [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > I agree. Cars move forward quickly, backwards slowly, and can turn right and left. They can also stop. I mean, so can the other car. > [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > If someone shoots at you, get away from them. If they are in a hurry, then you stop away from them. And if they want to kill you? I’m not a fan of stand your ground laws, and in this case, _I_ don’t think it was justified (though the State of Florida apparently thinks it was), but I do think that if someone is shooting at you is a circumstance when you are justified to shoot back. Moving vehicle or no. > [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > This whole “drive with one hand, shoot with the other” is Hollywood BS as you’ll likely run into a third car or a guard rail or a tree or a curb or a wall or etc etc. You might even roll your car. Agreed that the circumstances where it works out well are extremely rare to the point of being non-existent. But in principle, if someone is shooting at you while you are trying to drive, then it may take more than just trying to get away from them to get them to stop trying to kill you. > [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > Also, I’m still not convinced that having a loaded gun in your possession/car is a positive when the police come to take the report. If you just _have_ a legally owned gun in your car, that’s not against the law in Florida, and the cops shouldn’t have a problem with it. If you have used it, then it’s probably better to have it than to try to ditch it and lie about having had it. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That case of the guy who shot from his car on I-95 in Miami is yet another reason why the “stand your ground” laws are an enormous mistake. And to me, looking at the dashcam footage, it doesn’t appear that he was defending himself. In this case, I completely agree. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Instead to me, it looks like he’s just shooting blindly. He doesn’t even seem to be looking where he’s shooting. After the first shot, he was firing blindly. He probably _was_ mostly blind and certainly dazed from the noise. But the first shot looked like that was intended to kill the other driver. He watched as the car started to overtake him with the gun down, and as it came up alongside him, he lifted it to fire. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/956 "2023-03-18T23:28:41Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > …I do think that if someone is shooting at you is a circumstance when you are justified to shoot back. Moving vehicle or no. Unless you are blocked in with no clear path to drive away from the aggressor, I can think of no circumstance where shooting back would make you safer. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/957 "2023-03-18T23:28:48Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > It is _never_ acceptable to shoot at or from a moving vehicle. Apparently it is now acceptable in Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/958 "2023-03-19T00:35:18Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > If you just _have_ a legally owned gun in your car, that’s not against the law in Florida, and the cops shouldn’t have a problem with it. True Confessions Time: I don’t live in Florida. It is extremely difficult for me to adopt the “Florida Mind Set”. In my state, which has a limiting effect on my POV, you darn well better not ever be caught by the cops ever having a loaded gun in your car. It is difficult for me to wrap my mind around visiting EPCOT, visiting Universal, and then shooting up gunsels on the way home for kicks. Maybe Florida just isn’t for me. . ♫ When some Ahole shoots your car…! ♫ ♫ Doesn’t matter who you are…! ♫ ♫ Any shot your gun desires ♫ ♫ Will be fired by You…! ♫ “Hey! Domestic Terrorist Florida Man! You just shot dead a family of four on vacation from Atlanta! Where are you going next…?” “I’m going to Disney World…!” ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/959 "2023-03-19T16:31:11Z")
Looks like that dipshit’s last name is very fitting. I’ve seen 5 year olds with better gun control. Way to shoot the shit out of your own car. Unbelievable that guy walks free. Florida is now firmly part of the west. The Wild West. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/960 "2023-03-19T20:19:30Z")
No more unbelievable than the retired policeman who killed a guy in a Florida movie theater because he threw a bag of popcorn at him: > [@Florida Movie Theater Shooting Leaves One Dead In Altercation Over Texting](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-movie-theater-shooting-leaves-one-dead-in-altercation-over-texting/678717/282): > > Reeves acquitted by jury. He plans to attend his daughter’s wedding. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428.md?page=49)