# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428 "2022-01-26T17:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2023, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1081 "2023-04-23T06:50:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > since they didn’t break any laws or do anything unlawful, they couldn’t do anything because we were on their property Even as fucked up as Florida’s gun laws are, that’s not true. > **[Using Force to Defend Property | Florida - U.S. LawShield](https://www.uslawshield.com/force-defend-property-florida/)** > > What type of force can you use to defend your property in Florida? When can force be used? What about deadly force? Find out what you need to know. > [@](#): > > Now that we have discussed the laws, let’s apply it to a scenario. > > It is close to bedtime and as you’re walking around your house making sure all the doors are locked you notice someone on your property looking at your car parked at the end of your driveway. At this point, you have the legal right to open the door and yell at him to get off your property. And if he does not do so, Florida law allows you to either use or threaten to use non-deadly force to expel the person from your property. > > What you cannot do is take out your firearm and let a round off in the air, as that is the use of deadly force. If while watching the person he decides to smash out your car window and reach into your car to take something, you once again would only be allowed to use or threaten to use non-deadly force to try and prevent him from taking your stuff. A lot of people have the mistaken belief that in this situation a person would be justified using deadly force. That’s reasonably close to what happened in this case, except they didn’t break into _anything_,they were trying to leave, and he didn’t fire it in the air, he fired it at them. But, since when do cops know the law? ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1082 "2023-04-24T01:08:28Z")
“The resident said he fired after the car ran over his foot.” > **[A South Florida man shot at 2 Instacart delivery workers who went to the...](https://www.npr.org/2023/04/23/1171507677/south-florida-shot-at-instacart-delivery-driver-wrong-address)** > > Broward County State Attorney Harold F. Pryor called the incident "very disturbing" and said prosecutors would decide whether to file charges after reviewing the case. I’m such a weakling that I would have gone to a hospital if a car ran over my foot (probably by ambulance). ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1083 "2023-04-24T05:54:44Z")
The “deny, deny, deny reality” strategy has a less proven track record of working when you’re not rich. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1084 "2023-04-25T01:12:43Z")
[Here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/criminals-who-got-what-they-deserved-or-precious-snowflakes-tragically-murdered/642209)’s the thread on the issue. It was started on November 27, 2012. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1085 "2023-04-28T21:00:03Z")
[Man fatally shot by neighbor while using leaf blower in his own yard](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-fatally-shot-by-neighbor-while-using-leaf-blower-in-his-own-yard-police-say/ar-AA1atvHo) ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1086 "2023-04-28T21:04:12Z")
Antioch, IL of Rittenhouse fame. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1087 "2023-04-29T01:53:59Z")
> **[West High School teacher ‘grazed’ after 14-year-old’s gun goes off in school,...](https://www.wvlt.tv/2023/04/28/west-high-school-dismisses-after-lockdown/)** > > A teacher at West High School was grazed by a bullet or bullet fragment after a gun was fired inside a classroom Friday, Knoxville Police Department officials said. The gun was in the student’s backpack. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1088 "2023-04-29T02:08:52Z")
In Houston (the one in Texas), a man learned from a restaurant employee that that guy back there had fleeced him out of $40 for parking, so [he excused himself briefly to address the situation](https://news.yahoo.com/man-accused-killing-parking-scammer-221302655.html), in the only reasonable way, of course, then came back and assured his date that everything was just fine. The other guy subsequently never left the hospital. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1089 "2023-04-29T02:11:13Z")
‘If they allowed open carry in schools this wouldn’t have happened.’ /s ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1090 "2023-04-29T11:01:58Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > A well armed society is a polite society. If the employee had been armed and shot this guy’s head off, society would be minus one asshole. So… one goes to emergency, one goes to jail, and the meat in the supermarket is covered with human blood and tissue…? “Fred, there’s a finger in the pack of cold cuts.” “Was it the thumb on the scales…?” “I’m not eating this. Take it back to the store.” “The manager isn’t going to believe me; he’ll say I put the finger in to get a free 1/2 lb of chicken breast.” “Show him your hands. He can count to ten, can’t he?” “What if he has a gun?” “Then there’ll be a finger in somebody else’s 1/2 lb of chicken breast…” ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1091 "2023-04-29T15:48:23Z")
A man in Cleveland, Texas (north of Houston) executed his neighbors (including an 8-year old) because they had the temerity to ask him to stop firing his AR-15 in his yard at 11:00 at night. > **[Gunman killed neighbors, child with AR-15-style rifle, sheriff says](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/29/cleveland-texas-gunman-kills-five-8-year-old/)** > > The gunman had been shooting his rifle in his Cleveland, Tex., front yard and allegedly became angry when his neighbors asked him to stop, the sheriff said. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1092 "2023-04-29T16:05:37Z")
I think asking him to stop shooting was NOT the key point. Instead the key point is that the victims were all from Honduras and the shooter was trying to do something about the migrant problem… > **[Police: Man Kills 5 In Texas After Family Complained About Gunfire](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cleveland-texas-home-mass-shooting_n_644cf7e9e4b0408f3e59b8b2)** > > The shooting occurred roughly 45 miles northeast of Houston, Texas on Friday night. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1093 "2023-04-29T16:29:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Capers said there were 10 people in the house and that no one else was injured. > … > a total of three blood-covered children were found in the home but were determined to be uninjured after being taken to a hospital. They weren’t _shot_, but not all injuries appear on your flesh. These kids are gonna have some problems the rest of their lives. > [@](#): > > Authorities have previously been to the suspect’s home, according to Capers. “Deputies have come over and spoke with him about him shooting his gun in the yard,” he said. Seems the sort of thing that red flag laws should be used for. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1094 "2023-04-29T16:30:49Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > I think asking him to stop shooting was NOT the key point. Instead the key point is that the victims were all from Honduras and the shooter was trying to do something about the migrant problem… What are you basing that on? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1095 "2023-04-29T16:32:42Z")
Christ on a crutch. This is like something out of a dystopian novel. It really has gotten to the point in this country where you don’t dare look at someone the wrong way or for too long a time. I’m even hesitant about going to any place where people gather. Yesterday, we were at a local art museum, which was very crowded for a special event. I’ve gotten in the habit of checking out people instead of what I came to see, as there seems to be nothing that isn’t off-limits for some nut-job to start blasting away. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1096 "2023-04-29T17:14:55Z")
From my reference: > Capers said there were 10 people in the house and that no one else was injured. He said two of the victims, **all believed to be from Honduras** , were found laying over two children inside. Perhaps I misread this or it was poorly written: does “all believed to be from Honduras” refer to the 10 people in the house or the two victims found laying over two children? But there could be numerous explanations for the murders and asking to quit shooting could also simply be a coincidence or the straw which broke the camel’s back. ---
**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1097 "2023-04-29T18:14:20Z")
How is it even legal to discharge a firearm in an urban area? (Unless at a range). In Canada he would have been arrested the first time. What fucking bullshit. Un-fucking believable. The very act of doing so should be evidence that such a person does not have the level of responsibility or judgement to own a gun. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1098 "2023-04-29T18:17:55Z")
> [@FluffyBob](#): > > How is it even legal to discharge a firearm in an urban area? (Unless at a range). In Canada he would have been arrested the first time. What fucking bullshit. Un-fucking believable. Canada is a civilized country, America is a third world shit hole. Look at the excuses the pro gun pig fuckers make on this board to support guns over people. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1099 "2023-04-29T18:51:59Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Perhaps I misread this or it was poorly written: does “all believed to be from Honduras” refer to the 10 people in the house or the two victims found laying over two children? The family were Hondurans (though it seems likely that one or more of the children were born the the US). I think the shooter was from Mexico. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1100 "2023-04-29T19:07:56Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Canada is a civilized country, America is a third world shit hole. TBF, that was texas. Not saying that America isn’t a shithole, but like Dante’s Inferno, there are different levels. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428.md?page=56)