# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428 "2022-01-26T17:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/101 "2022-04-05T15:20:49Z")
Another article says, “…a stolen handgun that was found to have ‘been converted to a weapon capable of automatic gunfire,’ police said.” I suspect the “machine gun” term may be a quote from the law he was arrested under and is probably broadly interpreted to mean “fully automatic weapon.” > [@](#): > > 18 U.S.C. 922(o): Transfer or possession of machinegun > 26 U.S.C. 5845(b): Definition of machinegun > 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(23): Definition of machinegun > The definition of machinegun in the National Firearms Act and the Gun Control > Act includes a part or parts that are designed and intended for use in converting a > weapon into a machinegun. This language includes a device that, when activated by a > single pull of the trigger, initiates an automatic firing cycle that continues until the finger > is released or the ammunition supply is exhausted. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/102 "2022-04-05T15:27:27Z")
A small part called an Auto Sear can turns some handguns into full automatic weapons. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/UHk2_SGRFQU/maxresdefault.jpg "This Is the World’s Smallest Machine Gun, and It’s Suddenly Everywhere") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHk2_SGRFQU) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/103 "2022-04-05T15:48:57Z")
Yes, full automatics, conversions to full automatic, and the parts used for such conversions (actual working parts of the action, not bump stocks) are treated in the law as “machine guns” or parts thereof. And under federal law you can lawfully own a full automatic if your state allows it. Just that the paperwork, licensing and fee hurdles are steeper, it _does_ require registration, and _legal_ full autos are damn expensive. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/104 "2022-04-05T15:54:31Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > A small part called an Auto Sear can turns some handguns into full automatic weapons. Oh, great. In the video, they modified a Glock 17 in under 2 minutes with a part the size of a LEGO and it went full automatic. The Glock 17 is the gun Tommy Lee Jones told RDjr to get in the second Fugitive movie, so there are a lot of them out there in bedroom closets. Granted, many gun stores say the Glock is the most returned handgun in the US because it has no safety. “This gun has no safety; are you insane? I want a refund…” On the bright side (yay… /s) the idiots who use these blow through all of their ammo in about 5 seconds ( two bursts?) so the LEOs can take them out while they are reloading. Also, the Glock really is a polymer/plastic gun and really is not not designed for the kind of heat generated by firing huge numbers of bullets at machine gun speeds. If videos on YouTube can show an AK47 getting so hot that it’s wooden stocks burst into flame, I’m guessing that if 3-4 drum magazines are run through a Glock 17, that it will start to melt and possibly explode molten plastic and metal into the face of the shooter. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/105 "2022-04-05T16:04:37Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Yes, full automatics, conversions to full automatic, and the parts used for such conversions (actual working parts of the action, not bump stocks) are treated in the law as “machine guns” or parts thereof. Yet, the gun enthusiasts are always wanting to change that. The first time I head of an auto sear was on this board where a poster was complaining that a _part_ was criminalized, even if it wasn’t in a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2022, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/106 "2022-04-06T05:33:38Z")
Yet Another kid-on-kid killing (YAKKK). 2-yr-old finda gun, shoots 4-yr-old sister. In car at gas station, while someone (Daddy?) was gassing up. > **[2-Year-Old Picks Up Gun and Accidentally Kills 4-Year-Old Sister in...](https://www.chronline.com/stories/2-year-old-picks-up-gun-and-accidentally-kills-4-year-old-sister-in-pennsylvania-police-say,287488)** > > PHILADELPHIA — A 4-year-old girl was killed by her 2-year-old brother in an accidental shooting outside a Chester gas station Tuesday morning, police said. > > The child, whose name was not … ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2022, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/107 "2022-04-06T11:13:17Z")
“Accidentally” my ass. "Negligent parents endanger public, kill their first kid, traumatize the second; NRA not reachable for comment " ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/108 "2022-04-06T11:23:25Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > Also, the Glock really is a polymer/plastic gun and really is not not designed for the kind of heat generated by firing huge numbers of bullets at machine gun speeds. https://www.youtube.com/embed/ub4OswUhLwo?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque&list=PLoagig7ANyXMgzv0WPE70tJQvqEP-78Am&start=789 1272 rounds. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2022, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/109 "2022-04-06T11:50:08Z")
Oh, wonderful. Almost 1300 rounds, huh? Congratulations. Technology has let the genie out of the bottle and she’s all set to shoot us in the ass… ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/110 "2022-04-06T14:24:53Z")
Glock manufactures and sells fully automatic pistols. I doubt they would do that if they melt and blow up after a short bit of usage. > **[GLOCK Perfection | G18](https://eu.glock.com/en/products/pistols/g18)** > > GLOCK pistol model G18 in 9 mm Luger ✓ Safe Action® System ✓ Full-automatic firing mode ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2022, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/111 "2022-04-06T15:42:27Z")
“88 Industries LLC” – how subtle ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/112 "2022-04-06T17:19:40Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > “88 Industries LLC” – how subtle. According to the website: > [@](#): > > _ **Why did you choose “8888”?** _ > > The “8888” in the name is not what some people may think. When Eric was picking the name for the channel, he had his tour in Iraq on his mind as it was his biggest accomplishment at the time. “Iraqveteran” was taken of course, so he added “88” - the number of his favorite race car driver Dale Earnhardt Jr- but that was also unavailable. He then added “8888” and it was available, and it stuck. Had he known then what he knows now, he would have picked a different name. Disclaim without explaining what you’re disclaiming… Sure, I buy it… I’ll note that he is by no means the first to pretend that 88 is a reference to Earnhardt. Same with assholes claiming 14 is Tony Stewart. Suuuure, you just HAPPENED to pick 14 and 88 as digits on your vanity license plate… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2022, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/113 "2022-04-09T00:51:36Z")
[16-year-old killed when teens wearing body armor take turns shooting each other in Florida, police say](https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/04/08/16-year-old-killed-when-teens-wearing-body-armor-take-turns-shooting-at-each-other-in-florida-police-say/) Lots of stupidity here. Shooting at each other while wearing “a form of body armor” (I’m wondering if that body armor happened to be a pot-bellied stove door or, better yet, really thick pillows held in place by duct tape), and lying to the police. In short: Florida Men! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2022, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/114 "2022-04-09T01:34:08Z")
Even proper body armor is going to be sketchy with 5 shots at close range ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2022, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/115 "2022-04-09T01:45:13Z")
Yeah, I remember one episode of _Mythbusters_ where Adam was complaining that “bullet-proof” does not actually mean “bullet-proof”. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2022, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/116 "2022-04-09T01:51:04Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Even proper body armor is going to be sketchy with 5 shots at close range FAFO, they did. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2022, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/117 "2022-04-09T02:44:59Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Yeah, I remember one episode of _Mythbusters_ where Adam was complaining that “bullet-proof” does not actually mean “bullet-proof”. Lots of people market junk that they call bullet proof. A 30 second search and I found these little beauties: [https://www.google.com/search?q=bullet+proof+hoodie&source=hp&ei=aEwvYvCMAbGJggfFl42gBA&iflsig=AHkkrS4AAAAAYi9aeFHdVznEDvUG-PxrQfedHRR1O6oF&oq=Bullet+Proof+Hoodie&gs\_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIGCAAQFhAeMggIABAWEAoQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yCAgAEBYQChAeMgYIABAWEB4yCAgAEBYQChAeUABYAGC2EGgAcAB4AIABjgGIAY4BkgEDMC4xmAEAoAECoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz](https://www.google.com/search?q=bullet+proof+hoodie&source=hp&ei=aEwvYvCMAbGJggfFl42gBA&iflsig=AHkkrS4AAAAAYi9aeFHdVznEDvUG-PxrQfedHRR1O6oF&oq=Bullet+Proof+Hoodie&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIGCAAQFhAeMggIABAWEAoQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yCAgAEBYQChAeMgYIABAWEB4yCAgAEBYQChAeUABYAGC2EGgAcAB4AIABjgGIAY4BkgEDMC4xmAEAoAECoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz) Bullet Proof hoodies. (!) Now, just how stupid do you have to be as to think that hoodies and windbreakers can be made magically bulletproof? That requires heavy plates ( sometimes 2-3 depending on what you’re facing.). But kids are stupid; they don’t know that… "Buh… buh… it said on the package… " \< bleeds out \> ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/118 "2022-04-09T19:21:56Z")
Well, I suppose it would depend on the bullet. And it would certainly be 100% effective against bullets _you **don’t** let your “friends” fire at you._ ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2022, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/119 "2022-04-10T02:56:59Z")
> **[Update: 3 killed in robbery, shooting at rural Georgia gun store near Atlanta](https://www.ajc.com/news/crime/police-owner-wife-grandson-shot-dead-in-robbery-at-coweta-gun-range/JQ4IIY6PDRD63F7354AGWHSF5I/)** > > Three family members were killed during a robbery at a Grantville gun range Friday and investigators from multiple agencies worked late into the night scene searching for answers at the grim crime. > [@](#): > > The owner of the [Lock Stock & Barrel Shooting](https://lock-stock--barrel-shooting-range.webnode.com/) range and his wife and grandson were fatally shot, according to Grantville police. > > … > > Police indicated about 40 weapons and the security camera DVR were stolen during the robbery ---
**Author:** ![keeganst94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@keeganst94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keeganst94)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2022, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/120 "2022-04-10T04:45:46Z")
Not very stupid, considering that bullet proof clothing is a real thing that actually works. They come with some caveats; likely only good for smaller calibre, lower velocity weapons, and it will hurt very very badly since there’s not very much padding. There’s plenty of videos of demonstrations online; here’s one in which the hoodie resists a .22, 9mm, .38 special, .357 magnum, buck shot, slug, and desert eagle (.50 ae), but fails when shot by a 5.7 x 28 round. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/GJXRYdF0mac/maxresdefault.jpg "Does a Bullet Proof Hoodie Actually Work???") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJXRYdF0mac) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428.md?page=7)